Michigan vs. Stanford: Director's Cup

Submitted by tlo2485 on June 29th, 2019 at 11:58 AM

This is how it would turn out if Stanford only scored in the sports Michigan scored in this season. They would still beat us, but it would be close. Note that Stanford did not actually count its scores in Women's Lacrosse or Softball because they scored higher in other sports that we did not score in, but I included their hypothetical scores in those sports for comparison. This is why they have an advantage by having more chances through more programs to score more points. It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine even if it does mean eternally finishing second to a school like Stanford in the Director's Cup. 

tlo2485

June 29th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^

In addition to not actually counting their softball or women's lacrosse totals in favor of higher scores, they obviously also replace their 0 scores for M-Basketball and Field Hockey with other high scores in sports we did not score in-- pushing their lead in the actual final standings to the ultimate insurmountable gap.

UMForLife

June 29th, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^

I guess I don't understand the point system. It seems like some sports gets more points. I need to do more googling to understand why we are not in on some of the sports if that is the case

Mr Miggle

June 29th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^

I think you forgot about golf. Stanford also won the championship in men's golf. Michigan's men were 4th in the Big Ten, the women were 7th in the Big Ten.

 

 

tlo2485

June 29th, 2019 at 12:57 PM ^

Michigan was not invited to the NCAA tournament in golf  and therefore didnt score any points. This is why Stanford beat us overall by a wide margin. This chart is what would happen if Stanford only scored in the sports we scored in. I did this because people seem to think its rigged. Stanford just has an amazing athletic department that is willing to fund every single sport and excel in nearly all of them. Casual fans don't understand how this is possible because historically their football and men's basketball team are among their only programs that don't achieve at the same level as nearly all of their other sports. 

If Michigan decided to have sports with much smaller tournaments- like Rifle, Mens Volleyball, Mens Water Polo, etc-- and excelled, we would likely get to pad our total as well by knocking off low scores in favor of higher ones, like Stanford is able to do.

M Ascending

June 30th, 2019 at 8:00 AM ^

We need a women's hockey team, where it would be easy to score points, due to the small number of entries.  Also, fencing and riflery could be added with no need for major facility upgrades.  We could then finish a closer second.  (And if cheer/dance/whatever it's called were added, we would be unstoppable.)

JPC

June 29th, 2019 at 1:26 PM ^

Am I reading this right, that a national championship on football yields the same “points” as a national championship in women’s golf?

if so, the director’s cup is very stupid and people should stop talking about it. 

twotrueblue

June 29th, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^

Maybe like a point for every team you were better than.

Of course, this has cons as well such as basketball having 350+ teams and other sports only having 50 teams. So the basketball champ would have 350 points while the hockey champ would have only 60 points.

I wonder if that would significantly change the results though because Stanford would still get 200 points in basketball.

rposly

June 30th, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^

Sounds like you would prefer the Capital One Cup, which doesn't include all sports and heavily weights the most popular ones like football, basketball and baseball.  Men's and Women's are separated.  Unfortunately, we almost never finish in the top 20, Stanford still crushes it every year, and Michigan State can finish 10th this year.  

https://www.capitalonecup.com/

It's not perfect, but the Director's Cup is a far better representation of athletic departments as a whole.

RXwolverine

June 29th, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^

Its amazing how successful our athletic department is. Stanford and most of the IVY league schools have 6-10 more sports than other schools which will always give them an advantage. I think they should change it to an average score of all team sports instead of just a total score.

mtzlblk

June 29th, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^

It would be interesting to add even the most minimal amount of weighting to the individual sports to accomodate how difficult it is to win a championship or place in the top x nationally. 

Placing 2nd in the NCAA basketball tournament shouldn't be equal to water polo in points.

It wouldn't take very many mods to the formula to make Michigan a regular winner.

mtzlblk

June 30th, 2019 at 5:53 PM ^

Hmm...interesting. How does Stanford stay at, or close to, the top on those lists and we completely drop out?

If you tweaked Director's results for just a few sports that clearly matter more nationally than others, we coukd challenge them. Right now it is just geared for what they do best, all sports, all sports top or fairly well, no difference between sports.

Citibank probably ranks all sports differently, but hard to believe we don't rank at all. 

Cali Wolverine

June 29th, 2019 at 3:37 PM ^

Why do people care about this every year.  Schools that do well in sports and participate in more sports obviously score higher.  Stanford participated in more sports than anyone and does well across the board....which is why they win the Director’s Cup every year.

chatster

June 29th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^

The Capital One Cup gives greater weight to the major intercollegiate sports for men (soccer, football, basketball, lacrosse, and baseball) and women (soccer, volleyball, basketball, lacrosse, and softball).  Unfortunately, Michigan didn’t fare as well in those standings this year as it did in the Learfield IMG Directors Cup. LINK

As of June 11, Michigan was in (a) 36th place in the Capital One Cup men’s standings with only 16 points (behind schools like North Dakota State, Akron, Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Kennesaw State, Minnesota-Duluth and Maine), well behind national leader Virginia with 127 points, and (b) 15th place in the women’s standings with 42 points, well behind national leader Stanford with 183 points. LINK

Thanks to the second place finish in baseball, Michigan should move closer to the top ten in the men’s Capital One Cup standings.