LSU is what M was supposed to be

Submitted by realblue on November 9th, 2019 at 6:58 PM

• Transfer QB in his 2nd year making huge improvements 

• 1st year OC

• Shift to a more open, explosive offense

• Changing the narrative on who the best team in their conf is

LSU has accomplished exactly what Michigan set out (and was expected) to do this year.

All that being said, I love Michigan's improvement throughout the year, and I do have hopes for a great ending to the season. I think Michigan will continue to improve.

I just thought those parallels were interesting.

 

NorCalMfan

November 9th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^

I'll admit that by year 5 of Harbaugh I expected at least 1 B1G title and a playoff bearth.  (Yes I realize that ref fuckery cost Michigan this in 2016)  But if UM cans Harbaugh, who in their right mind would work there?  After axing the Alum, All American, hometown kid the specter of doom would be around anyone who subsequently arrived.

jabberwock

November 9th, 2019 at 9:38 PM ^

So, having to "learn 4 offenses" (like they are fucking Sanskrit) means he can't throw a receiver open?

The problem isn't that its his 4th, it's that it's being taught badly, with conflicting influences, likely less than full buy-in, and relies on everything being executed perfectly.  

So yes, its mostly the offense.  I'd put about 25% of the problem squarely on Shae.

1VaBlue1

November 9th, 2019 at 7:43 PM ^

I've noticed through the season that Shea's throw's are slow, they don't have a lot of zip.  They get there because he's accurate - to a point.  The biggest thing about him is that he cannot throw a deep ball.  Anything downfield more than ~35 yards is going to be late arriving.  This is why Collins has so many dumb balls - everything deep turns into a jump ball because the ball is always late and short.  Put the WR in the 20-30 yd range, and Shea can be deadly.  But anything deeper is not going to be a good throw.  And his decision making, defense reading, and pocket presence are somewhat less than ideal.

lhglrkwg

November 10th, 2019 at 2:01 AM ^

Shea cannot make all the throws

He's reasonably accurate in say <15 yards. He is pretty inaccurate downfield and Collins' Megatron act is the only reason Shea has any completions downfield. He also lacks arm strength. Everything looks slow or flops like a duck if it's deep. I like Shea and want him to succeed, but he's an average QB. Minnesota's QB looked light years ahead of Shea today

mitchewr

November 9th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^

But it begs the question why do none of our QBs ever seem to be able to put it together? Burrow wasn’t some phenom out of high school. He was very good, but not crazy crazy elite. 
 

247 had him rated as the 8th best dual threat QB in his class, four star prospect, and the 280th rated player nationally. So it’s not like he was crazy better than anything we’ve had.

Something doesn’t seem like it’s quite right with our QB development. 

rs207200

November 10th, 2019 at 1:03 AM ^

You are incredibly misinformed and simply going off recruiting rankings. Burrow was a monster in high school. He had over 13,000 total yards and 184(!!!) TDs.
 

He also was a winner, taking a school that had never won a playoff game to 7 victories in the playoffs. He won Mr. Football in Ohio too. 

CMHCFB

November 10th, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^

The 2016 QB recruit rankings.  

1. She Patterson 

6. Brandon Peters

8. Dwayne Haskins

13. Jalen Hurts

* Dylan McCaffery was #9 for 2017  

UM had 2 of the top 6 QB’s on the roster and still have shaky QB play.   While some try, it’s hard to look at this any other way than a coaching and development issue.   

 

scfanblue

November 9th, 2019 at 7:06 PM ^

Michigan is no where close to having the athletes that LSU has and that matters. Also, Harbaugh played for Bo and coaches like Bo. Win 8 or more games per year and fuck the bowl game mentality. Harbaugh also played QB and is a QB perfectionist. Must be tough to play for him 

Clarence Boddicker

November 9th, 2019 at 7:16 PM ^

Michigan's wide receivers--especially Collins and DPJ--are better than LSU's.The duo of Charbonnet and Haskins are commensurate with LSU's backs. Their oline may be a touch better. The difference is at qb. Burrow is way better than Patterson. I don't care what the high school rankings say. Burrow's passes are sharp, direct, and allow for YAC. He is scarily accurate on long throws. He's effective on reading the defense which helps him find the check downs. He knows when to bail on a pocket. These are all the things that Patterson struggles with.

Dizzy

November 9th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^

Deep shots are hard to hit for anyone. It's not as simple as "getting behind coverage." Deep zones exist.Throwing it up to a double covered Collins is the wrong read, even if he's good enough to make the play.

Michigan is attacking zones and matchups like anyone else. Shea is good at a lot of things, but there's also some pretty damn good defenders and coordinators out there playing against him.

Some of y'all seem to think football is simple. 

Clarence Boddicker

November 10th, 2019 at 2:51 AM ^

We can absolutely question Harbaugh's rep as a quarterback guru. But I do believe that McCaffrey would've replaced Patterson weeks ago if he hadn't gotten concussed. I think the coaches were moving that way. We know Gattis was pissed by Patterson's lack of focus on working on the offense and with his receivers in the offseason. I think the offense will look better next year with McCaffrey, or even Milton, running it. Both have better arms--Milton has a freakin howitzer attached to his shoulder. Both provide more credible running threats: at least a willingness to tuck and run when the read calls for that. Milton may not be ready today but McCaffrey provides a better shot at beating OSU. I absolutely believe that.

DJMich23

November 9th, 2019 at 7:09 PM ^

Are we just going to compare every elite team/offense to Michigan when they have success? I'm not really directing this at the OP either. I just keep seeing this lately. 

Minnesota is what Michigan is supposed to be. LSU is what Michigan is supposed to be. Clemson is what Michigan is supposed to be. OSU is what Michigan is supposed to be... 

 

mitchewr

November 9th, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^

Probably. When we are supposed to have one of the best coaches currently in the game and yet our program continually underwhelms and does less with more, yeah...we’re gonna continue to see these kind of comparisons. Especially when a no name like Ed Orgeron (who few took seriously) cranks out a program capable of taking down the great Saban and Bama machine. 
 

Cause everyone keeps trying to rationalize why it’s not possible for UM to make the leap and beat OSU cause they’re just on another level than we are and it’s not realistic to expect to match their level. Yet we see other programs rise up from mediocrity to greatness. So I think these are fair points and observations to make of other programs around the country when trying to rationalize our own deficiencies.