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Kam Chatman will play in the Jordan Brand Classic at 7:00 on ESPN 2 tonight

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April 18th, 2014 at 4:58 PM
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Kam Chatman will play in the Jordan Brand Classic at 7:00 on ESPN 2 tonight

I don't know how to embed a twitter message, but UMHoops posted this.  It was news to me, so I thought I'd pass it on...Also, FWIW, he's listed at 6'8" 213lbs on the game roster.

https://twitter.com/umhoops

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April 18th, 2014 at 5:03 PM
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Yeah, that size, if true, is

Yeah, that size, if true, is much larger than I expected. Pretty great to have.

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April 18th, 2014 at 5:15 PM
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That young man

is bonkers

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April 18th, 2014 at 5:47 PM
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Yeah - that's bigger than I

Yeah - that's bigger than I thought for him too. I'm backing off my stance that Chatman won't be a 4. I saw him as a guy with an Irvin sized frame, but now he's looking pretty big.

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April 18th, 2014 at 5:53 PM
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Yeah, and if Doyle is really

Yeah, and if Doyle is really up to 6'10" 235 like was reported, that's some good young size in the line up for sure.

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April 18th, 2014 at 5:54 PM
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Being from Oregon

I don't know what his competition was like but it will be good to see him against some of the best. Go Blue!

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:38 PM
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He played at Long Beach Poly

He played at Long Beach Poly until his senior year, and that's some pretty high level competition.

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:46 PM
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Also EYBL and Lebron, PG and

Also EYBL and Lebron, PG and KD camps. He can hold his own. 

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:51 PM
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TAY PRINCE - THE REASON JAMES YOUNG CHOSE KENTUCKY

TAY PRINCE - THE REASON JAMES YOUNG CHOSE KENTUCKY

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:18 PM
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Hope they measured him at the

Hope they measured him at the game and its not HS stats.  6'8 would be an awesome 3 ;) (or 4)  Bigger then GRob already.  After that f***** UK game I'd love 6'8 and above at all 3 front court positions  -  I am greedy!  Thanks for heads up. 

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:16 PM
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6'8?

6'8? Thought he was more like 6'6. Hooray for size and length. I love you John Beilein.

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:21 PM
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How about C: Doyle

How about

  • C: Doyle 6'10
  • PF: Donnal 6'9
  • SF: Huff 6'8
  • SG: Chatman 6'8
  • PG - :)

as a group if Irvin goes in 2015-2016... (and yes Irvin you can stay for your junior year!)

A boy can dream no?

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:39 PM
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I would doubt very highly

I would doubt very highly that that would be the lineup. Beilein needs more ball handlers and shooters on the floor than that.

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:46 PM
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I am not agreeing nor

I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with you but assuming Walton Jr is a ball handler, it sounds like Chatman has a pretty good handle from the quotes I posted from his dad and godfather/coach (it sounds like they think of him as a PG).  Let's say his handle is similar to Tim Hardaway Jr.  (I am guessing).  If you put those 2 together you have the ball handling and I think all but Doyle are shooters in that scheme.  But we'll see. 

Anyhow I am excited - this was a guy Arizona was after so it's not a light recruit.  Don't want to drink too much maize kool aid but difficult not to thinking what happens to these wings and guards under Jordan and Beilein.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:23 PM
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Replace Walton with LeVert

Replace Walton with LeVert and you're talkin.

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April 18th, 2014 at 6:34 PM
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He was 6'7 200 per Scout so

He was 6'7 200 per Scout so it would not be a reach to have gained 10 lbs and an inch in meantime.  Dad says he was 6'7.5" back "then". Sounds like he could be anything from a 2 to a 4. Looks like ironically his shooting is one issue but with the shooting guru as our HC that is fixable.

Chatman benefits handsomely from outstanding height and length. He's not only long, he plays big because he doesn't mind contact and has a knack for using his knees, hips and elbows to clear space. His rebounding stands out. Chatman is a conscientious boards-man on both ends, and he's especially dangerous on the offensive glass. His jump shot can be hit or miss, but the southpaw wields a very high-arching shot that's difficult to block.

Other comments:

As a 4, Chatman has the passing and ball-handling skills necessary to operate out of the high post. Once he is able to pack on some weight at the college level, he should be able to back down defenders as well. A smooth turnaround jumper, which Chatman flashes at times, will help him score over opposing forwards.

From godfather/coach:

He’s listed as a small forward, but he’s a guard, he’s a playmaker,” Metoyer said. “He’s not necessarily a big-time scorer, but he could be. He’s more adept at his skills for the game and making plays. That’s kind of why he fell into that point guard camp. You’ll see him at the next level on the perimeter, making plays. He can post smaller guys up and knock down shots on the perimeter and just be the ballhandler they need him to be. Michigan had a system that fit his skill set really well.

From his dad:

Kameron is a perimeter player who just happens to be extremely tall and has the gift of rebounding. ... Coach Beilein sees him playing one, just because he does have the ability to facilitate; he’s a great passer, he handles the ball extremely well. He’s six-seven and a half right now. By the time he gets to school, I know he’ll be a little over six-eight, might be closer to six-nine. So he might move a little bit off the ball, but his skills will be in place.

 

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:02 PM
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Wow serious talent in this

Wow serious talent in this game.  Most of the big names in this recruiting class.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:06 PM
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CHATMAN ISNT STARTING THIS IS

CHATMAN ISNT STARTING THIS IS A TRAVESTY

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:08 PM
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Oh, and is it too late for

Oh, and is it too late for James Blackmon to reconsider? Does he really want to play for Creen?

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:13 PM
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So Duke is becoming 1 and

So Duke is becoming 1 and done next it appears from this roster with 4 of these dudes, matching UK.

Also playing defense appears optional in this game.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:15 PM
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Even though you can't read the jerseys

Anyone know Chatman's number?

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:21 PM
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Look for the guy shooting

Look for the guy shooting left handed. I haven't seen one yet.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:24 PM
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#11 on the West (white) team.

#11 on the West (white) team. Just tuned in, had to look it up—those jerseys are horrible.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:31 PM
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Certainly didn't make them TV friendly.

It's almost impossible to tell who anyone is. The announcers are too busy talking about former stars to really tell what is going on too. They need to treat it like it is on radio.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:32 PM
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Has he got in yet?

Has he got in yet?

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:34 PM
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Anyone know Kam's team/number

Anyone know Kam's team/number in this game since the announcers aren't really paying attention to the game.

EDIT: Ace beat me to it.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:34 PM
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Havent heard Kam's name

Havent heard Kam's name once.  Too busy fellating Duke and UK players. Okafor does look ridiculously beastly.

It is amazing how loaded these classes have become with a few schools dominating.  Duke has 4 of the top 21 ? Cmon now.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:34 PM
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He is in now, looks pretty

He is in now, looks pretty big

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:39 PM
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Looks all arms and legs -

Looks all arms and legs - very long and lanky.  Almost like a thicker Tayshaun Prince.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:40 PM
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Emphasis the thicker though

Emphasis the thicker though

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:39 PM
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Just thinking about center recruiting

It's funny with all the talk about bigs wanting to play back to the basket since Horford's post transfer interview it seems a lot of them sure love to show their range. Not just from this glorified pick up game but, just from watching basketball there are not many guys that are true back to the basket guys that you feed and allow operate in the post. It seems like developing your versatility would be an asset in recruiting bigs and not a hindrance.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:40 PM
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Looks like Kam got stuck with

Looks like Kam got stuck with shorts a size too small

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:41 PM
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Ah, yes, that's what looked

Ah, yes, that's what looked funny.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:40 PM
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Wooo, way to dunk through

Wooo, way to dunk through that rim!

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:43 PM
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Feels like in 5-10 years the

Feels like in 5-10 years the difference between a 2 (3) and a 4 in college will be negligible - these guys are all 6'7-6'9 with ball handling skills.

OMG GUYS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CHATMAN

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:44 PM
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Ehh... I don't know about

Ehh... I don't know about that.  It's easy to look like a decent dribbler when nobody's playing defense.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:44 PM
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If Mcgary comes back we can

If Mcgary comes back we can be just as good or better

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:46 PM
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lol - token white guy!

lol - token white guy!

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:46 PM
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White guy to white guy

White guy to white guy comparison!  Grayson Allen to Bobby Sura!   High quality analysis there, ESPN.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:48 PM
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"he is a hard worker, not the

"he is a hard worker, not the most athletic guy but has a high basketball IQ YADA YADA YADA"

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:00 PM
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Except he won the dunk

Except he won the dunk contest at the mcdonalds game. Allen can get up

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:10 PM
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Yes...but STILL A WHITE GUY

Yes...but STILL A WHITE GUY with all the proverbial bullet points that must be attached to said dude.  lol

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:19 PM
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Doesn't matter. Grit. IQ.

Doesn't matter. Grit. IQ. Deep shooting. These are the things that he's truly good at.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:46 PM
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Sigh we were after both

Sigh we were after both Blackmon and Booker.  Sad panda.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:47 PM
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Ugh all this talk about

Ugh all this talk about Blackmon and Booker's shooting ability... :(

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:51 PM
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They made the right call.

They made the right call. Shooters don't do too well with Beilein. Now Creen and Calipari? Those are some good coaches. Really make you want to play for them. Great developers of talent.

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Well done.

Well done.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:48 PM
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Kam's got a LeVert-esque look

Kam's got a LeVert-esque look to him when he's getting into the lane.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:50 PM
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Chatman

Chatman has some serious skills. Not the most athletic guy but man is he smooth. He's gonna fit in really well here.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:50 PM
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Chatman's a wise fellow for

Chatman's a wise fellow for thinking Beilein's offense is a great fit for him. He looks tailor made for Michigan just from what I've seen in this game and heard about him.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:53 PM
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Hate to say it but Blackmon

Hate to say it but Blackmon Jr. Looks like the real deal

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:59 PM
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Yes, looks like an elite

Yes, looks like an elite shooter.  Granted they don't play defense in this game but still he and Yogi will make for a heck of a backcourt.  Too bad IU has no front court next year.   No idea what he was sold to go to Indiana over Michigan other than video of the Bobby Knight era.  I would say he will outlast Crean at Indiana but in this era he will probably be a 2 and done player.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:01 PM
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He could be a 2 and done

He could be a 2 and done player and still outlast Crean

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:00 PM
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You think the guys Beilein

You think the guys Beilein targets early look like the real deal? Who would have thought...

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:57 PM
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If McGary came back and we

If McGary came back and we got Kam and Blackmon I say we're in the Elite 8 again.  There I said it.

McGary, Donnal, Irvin, LeVert, Walton Jr,

Bench: Spike, Chatman, Blackmon as the top 8. Chatman and Irvin would be the backup "out of position 4s" for 20-25 minutes a game while Donnal sat or was the 5 for 8 minutes a night.

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April 18th, 2014 at 7:59 PM
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Didn't Blackmon already sign

Didn't Blackmon already sign with IU? Not sure how we could still get him.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:03 PM
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Yes he is at IU.  I was

Yes he is at IU.  I was living in a theoretical world where we were in the top 2-3 for Blackmon before he rejected us. :(

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:08 PM
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So anyhow back to Chatman. 

So anyhow back to Chatman.  He really looks like another stretch 4 candidate out there.  If Mitch comes back and plays 32-33 minutes at the 5, Donnal puts in 15 at the 4, and 7 at the 5, and Chatman can give us 20 at the 4, you assume Irvin and Caris are going to eat up huge minutes at the 2 and 3 (over 30 min each)... things are looking pretty solid there in the front court.  He is bigger (thicker) than I thought - already about the same "width" as GR3 but with 2 additional inches.

In this scenario you are not asking for crazy things from our first year players - 22 minutes out of Donnal and 20 minutes out of Chatman.  Lighter loads than GR3 took as a freshman.  And you ask Mitch, Caris, and Irvin to play minutes that Nik, Caris, and GR3 played this year.  Walton/Spike split the PG as they did this year.  The nights Donnal and/or Mitch get in foul trouble you throw Bielfeldt out there for 7-10 a night.

Dear Mitch - please come back.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:33 PM
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D'Angel Russell (OSU) to Kam

D'Angel Russell (OSU) to Kam Chatman 

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:40 PM
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Stat line?

Stat line?

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:46 PM
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7 pts

3 asts or so.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:46 PM
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Was browsing

through old JBC box scores on their website. Didn't realize Dion Harris and Courtney Sims played in '03.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:59 PM
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Also,

DeShawn Sims in 2006

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:50 PM
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I'm watching this game right

I'm watching this game right now solely to see how Chatman performs. I'm glad I saw him score once. There are a lot of talented players on that court though.

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April 18th, 2014 at 8:59 PM
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Hard to determine much from

Hard to determine much from this game other than he is 'longer' and bulkier than most of us assumed.

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April 19th, 2014 at 7:13 AM
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Passing

He has a few pretty sweet passes in and out of the post in that video.  He truly seems to be a great fit for this team.  If he can break down guys one on one, he can do a lot of things in this offense.  He is going to be a match up nightmare on defense, especially if he is on the floor with say, Wilson or Donnal and another big man.  He will be able to easily shoot over smaller guards, and big men will have to follow him out to the permimeter.  The fun comes when the other team has to guard 2 or 3 guys who are all 6"8 and can shoot 3's.  I dont know how you guard that with most college teams.

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April 18th, 2014 at 9:42 PM
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Basically

Basically

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April 19th, 2014 at 12:39 AM
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I'm just saying, when McGary

I'm just saying, when McGary says he's coming back I'm confident we're a top 10 team AT LEAST

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April 19th, 2014 at 7:17 AM
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Chatman = CJ Fair????

Chatman = CJ Fair????

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April 19th, 2014 at 9:50 AM
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jalen?

Didn't see this game, but we've got a tall lefty with point guard skills and a high arching shot... Why no comparison to Jalen yet? Too big?

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April 19th, 2014 at 10:06 AM
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What I most like about

What I most like about Chatman's game based on the vids I've seen and the game last night was that he has a knack for working his way into the middle of the floor and making things happen.  He dribbles well for a guy his size and uses his body to shield the ball in a way a lot of younger guys don't have a good feel for yet.  He's also unselfish enough that getting into the paint doesn't automatically mean he's putting the ball up, which again, for guys his age that are used to being the big shot this can be rare.

I think that to take full advantage of this skill set, he'll need to put some work in as far as S&C goes - no biggie, this is common for high school kids making the transition to college ball.  But I think that once his body catches up to his ball skills, he's going to be the type of guy that can hurt a defense in a variety of ways.

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April 19th, 2014 at 4:57 PM
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Now...

...Do you guys believe me when I say Chatman is more of a 4 in Belein's offense than a 2?

He's a SF, but he's more likely to play "up" than "down."

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April 19th, 2014 at 5:12 PM
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I've beem saying it too. 

I've beem saying it too. 

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April 19th, 2014 at 5:37 PM
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After watching him play now,

After watching him play now, I agree with that.  I felt he was more a wing before, but this certainly suggests he's closer to a 4, maybe a full-blown 4.

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