He just said that Shea and Dylan will probably be on the field at the same time for some plays.
As they should be -- if they're both that good. I don't know why this is such a hot button subject in here and why people get so hung up on labels. They're football players who can both contribute to the greatly success of the team. Whether they're a QB, RB, WR, TE, HBack, etc., is inconsequential if they're gaining yard, getting first downs and scoring TD's. Balling out … that is all that matters.
I have a feeling we're going to see something very special this season with these two players under Gattis' leadership.
Go Blue!
But can either one of them play tackle?
Why do people think it's neat to put a really good #2 QB and place him outside where he becomes a not so good WR, or inside where he's a sub par RB?
Tua and Hurts played at the same time last year as well. They played multiple QBs at certain times at PSU as well. This shouldn't be extremely shocking.
What will be interesting is how he plans to do it. Neither really runs like Hurts runs. Maybe McCaffrey lines up at WR a bit (there is some pedigree there) and can also motion into a role that threatens with his arm? Is that really better than the WR depth chart though?
Either way, at most, it's likely a package to force opponents to prep for it. If it isn't working, they'll scrap it and force opponents to still plan for it. If it is, they can continue to expand on it. Not a bad option to get both guys on the field.
We did that against Wisconsin last year. This was also Penn State’s “Lion” package with McSorley and Stevens.
That's not what he said. At all. The closest statement came in the context of his having been in prior systems that have had high level QBs and the need to prepare 2 and 3 on the depth chart as if they are the starter. He did follow that up with a comment about using your playmakers and not being bound by labels, so I think it's reasonable to make the inference you do, but he did not just say that they'll be on the field at the same time for some plays.
Yeah, the question was something like "Jim said that McCaffrey will play".
Gattis said that's nothing new. He's worked with multiple QBs everywhere he's been including both playing last year at Alabama. Just says you have to get them all prepared. Have to treat Dylan and Milton like starters because you never know. And playmakers will see the field, regardless of position. But he never confirms McCaffrey will play this year as some sort of dual-QB thing.
He’s never called plays before has he? First year coordinator?
I think he did say they could likely be on the field at the same time. This is exactly what he said:
"In all the situations I’ve been, multiple quarterbacks have played. In some of those situations, multiple quarterbacks have been on the field at the same time. That’s just where I’ve been around.”
Above:
He just said that Shea and Dylan will probably be on the field at the same time for some plays.
Now:
I think he did say they could likely be on the field at the same time.
I think your second statement is closer to his actual comments, although you still lose some of the context in which his statement was made. And I think that matters because the distinction changes whether we're discussing trick plays involving both and where either would lineup if not behind center to a discussion about how you work both QBs into the game. I think the latter is a reasonable inference based on Gattis's comments, the former is not.
Dylan that "other" sneaky RB?
I honestly don't like this one bit. This can definitely disrupt the flow of an offense. This reminds me too much of the days when Devin Gardner and Denard were here. Granted both Shea and Dylan are better in terms of talent, but if this offense is clicking on all cylinders and then you switch QB's it can really ruin a drive in a big game.
or ... it could enhance flow and save or sustain a big drive — it’s yet to be determined.
Put the ball in the hands of the best play makers. Aren’t people often lamenting the fact that talent is underused or misused? DMac is a talented player, if he can contribute why not utilize those skills? Does it “disrupt flow” when the QB hands the ball to the RB?
I get your point. There is something to be said for establishing a rhythm as an offense, and as a QB. Coming in and out may disrupt that rhythm. At the same time, it may also disrupt a defense, that, as a game progresses, has started to get a read on a QB's clock, movement patterns, speed, etc. It cuts both ways.
In addition, there is another possible benefit. Let's say Shea plays 90% of the snaps (i.e. the non-garbage snaps) over the course of 7 games, and gets dinged in game 8. You have Dylan coming in as a true back-up and the offense could take a step back. If both have played significant time, there is less of a drop off. Also, injury prevention, as well as wear-and-tear mitigation.
Again, I am not saying that a timeshare will work. I am merely saying that it may work. Remember when Urban Meyer won a NC in Florida rotating 2 QBs because both were too good to keep off the field? We keep pining for a Meyer-level coach, but when our own coach shows some willingness to think outside the box, fans complain.
but when our own coach shows some willingness to think outside the box, fans complain.
This ^^^ !!!
The possibilities of 2 QB's with Shea and DMac's skill sets working a well oiled RPO -- almost like a two-man game in basketball or lacrosse -- is very intriguing when one looks at all the amazing weapons they're going to have at RB, WR, and TE. Shea was an unexpected gift, and when he chose to come back, it kept on giving. Gattis would be remiss to not explore the potential of those two together. We hear all the time about the "talent gap" between Michigan and OSU, et. al., well … leaving one of the more talented players on your roster on the bench because he's a QB, and everyone knows (especially fans) that there can ONLY BE ONE QB … is foolish.
What if Harbaugh stopped naming player positions all together? Everyone was simply a football players. That's kind of the way it was way back in the day, actually. What difference does it make?
Fair enough, just not a fan of a QB1A and QB1B scenario. You know the old saying, if you have 2 QB;s you don't have one at all. Although i don't believe that applies here given Shea and Dylan;s talent.
Honestly could see some flea flicker type plays with Dylan out wide and sometimes where Dylan gets a bubble screen and takes off
He also said Onwenu weighs 370...and has one of the lowest body fat percentages of the OL.
August 8th, 2019 at 10:04 AM ^
And I am sure that will be a spectacular failure. Special packages almost never work out, particularly for Michigan. This is just another example of Harbaugh and Co. thinking they are smarter than everyone else while proving otherwise.
#SpeedinSpace
I still have a hard time believing this was the same actor who played William Wallace's son in The Patriot.
William Wallace is seven feet tall! Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
Chuck Norris is the William Wallace of our time
Remember the shit storm that Christopher Nolan took when he picked him as the next Joker?
"'"And here. We. Go." - The late Heath Ledger as The Joker in the Dark Knight, circa 2008' -Jon Rothstein" -Mark Titus
Heath Ledger died? When?
Shortly before Phil Jackson.
That's right! Phil Jackson killed the Knicks.
the double pass play
maybe the triple pass play
or the never before attempted quadruple bypass play!
aka rugby
August 7th, 2019 at 11:07 PM ^
Didn't Bo have that in his playbook?
Establish the run
https://twitter.com/Balas_Wolverine?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Chris Balas tweeted out a lot of quotes/summarizes if interested in reading them over listening
Confirmation of Onwenu's true weight! 370
I wonder what he topped out at. Had to be in the ballpark of 400
You mean 350** - Gattis must be mistaken
Somewhere in the off-season an insider or reporter got a “real number” of 385 in the context of “down from 385.” I can’t remember where I saw it but it was notable as the first non-350* weight I’d seen mentioned.
Seems likely he was higher than that at some point prior. Dude is made out of metal.
Also fascinating that Onwenu has one of the lower body fat %s of the O-Linemen. Hard to believe, maybe he really is just insanely dense.
Really like Gattis. Seems like a confident but humble, smart, enthusiastic coach who would be fun to play for.
No big takeaways from the interview besides some early camp buzz for Charbonett and a shout out for Cornelius Johnson. Seems confident he has enough talent to do what he wants to do.
Heres to hoping it works and we can lean on the offense. Would be good to get out and score early to put teams in a play from behind hole and let Browns defense pin their ears back
I have this strange feeling that Charbonett is going to be the best Michigan running back since A-Train. Yes, better than Mike Hart.
I just love the kid's highlight reel.
Id take Hart or senior Chris Perry over A-train
I greatly respect A-train, but I agree.
Also, that may be influenced by me watching yesterday (b/c it somehow came across my YouTube feed) the end of the 54-51 loss to Northwestern where Thomas inexplicably fumbled while he was trying to burst into the open-field, when all he had to do was fall down to preserve the lead & win the game...
August 7th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^
I just hope he meets the hype! Sam Mcguffie, Derrick Green... bad memories. Charbonnet looks legit though.
Staff has been great. Has players ready to go.
Shea has been lights out so far. Playmaking, footwork. Playing at a big time level.
Offense about 65%-75% installed.
Have 5 backs. Deepest position right now. Standard good stuff about Wilson, Turner (explosive), Charbonnet, Haskins, and then stressed Ben Van Sumeren - really good speed. People don't think about him because he's 240.
Zach Charbonnet is mature. Smart, cerebral. No mistakes. Great size, feet, hips. Great kid.
Generic stuff about chemistry is good.
Multiple QBs is nothing new to him. Everywhere he's been. Gotta get em prepared. Shea has set the bar so high. His understanding of what we're trying to accomplish. Rhythm, reads, etc. Says McDaniels is best QB coach in the country. Shea fine-tuning, becoming complete QB.
Jim really hasn't been involved. Offense is our offense. He's the head coach. But he's held his word.
Contentious comments from and about Mike Locksley? Locksley said Gattis did a good job watching him call plays last year. Gattis smiled. True. Locksley called 100% of the plays. Gattis is very confident in his own ability. Says to ask Locksley where the game plans came from.
Good to get DPJ back. Him and Nico are smart. don't make mistakes. Tarik is good. Ronnie Bell is playing really really well. Sainristil picked up where left off. Cornelius Johnson wow'ing people just like Sainristil did in Spring. All getting used to pace. Speed of no huddle.
Who else is wow'ing you?
McKeon had one of best springs hes seen from a TE. One of Top 2 offensive players. Eubanks struggled to get it down in the spring, but where he's at now - two of the best two TEs in the country. Mentions All, Muhammad, Schoonmaker in passing. Things are good at TE.
Two starters at RT - Steuber & Mayfield. Too early to make the call, both are starters. "6 starters" on the offensive line. But we'll only go with 5. We don't have a 6-lineman formation. Don't worry about that (chuckle).
Onwenu is 370 and really mobile. It's just mass. Very low body fat.
We're aggressive/downhill in run game. Spread misconception. Believe in "establishing the run game first".
Comfortable with any of the 5 at RB. No leader yet. They all have to work on ball skills/pass catching. One area we need to work on so we're all eligible pass catchers.
Balanced offensively. Ball finds players. No specific targets. Defense dictates who gets the ball. Plenty to go around.
Harbaugh gives them good situational play calling opportunites in practice. Very valuable to him.
Tarik has turned it up from Spring. He and Bell standing out. DPJ is healthy. Mentions same six: Black, Bell, DPJ, Nico, Sainristil and "CJ" Cornelius Johnson.
Best staff in country. Loves them all, mentions some analysts.
This is our offense. It's not about Josh Gattis. The one we created together. Michigan's offense.
Excellent summary! I'm at work and can't listen to the video, so thanks!
Locksley actually said that? That's some admirable shade.
I was just coming back to make a separate post. That's by far the most interesting part of this for me. I like the player stuff, but it's camp and it's all going to be good.
Locksley stuff is at 10:35.
Gattis says all of the right things (he considers him a friend, no hard feelings, etc.) but you can kinda see through that. There's an edge to that relationship. I'm taking the over on November 2nd. I sense a "F*** you" touchdown coming in that one.
I'm a bit nervous about this, actually. Gattis does not have top-line playcalling experience, and he's on the set with strong personalities in Harbaugh and Warinner, both who have such experience.
And he's talking about establishing the run now.
I really hope he's allowed to do his thing. I really hope so. But the worry is that the existing guys will rub off on him, even if unintentionally. This team has electric talent... on the outside. Use it.
But the worry is that the existing guys will rub off on him, even if unintentionally
I should hope that Harbaugh and Warriner "rub off" on Gattis because they're both amazing coaches. Gattis has been given the keys to the offense, he has said so and Coach has said so. This notion that Harbaugh is some dinosaur who, when things maybe aren't going so well on offense, is going to scrap the scheme and go back to an archaic offense is beyond asinine, if only on the professional level, i.e., no OC would ever take Harbaugh seriously again.
No, don't be scared. Gattis doesn't have to convince Harbaugh of the talent on the team -- he knows it as intimately as anyone -- nor that there are ways that it could be used that are both different and more efficient and effective. That is specifically why Harbaugh sought Gattis out.
Stop worrying so much!