October 15th, 2021 at 6:15 PM ^
Oh, thought it would be at Ruth's Chris Steak House. ?
October 15th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^
JJ can take us to BIGTEN championships. I know people are afraid but if you want Michigan football to become elite and truly play with the big boys , it's talent like JJ that will eventually get us there not talent like Cade. Love what Cade gives us for now but don't be afraid to be want great. JJ can give us great. Donavon has that capability too. Chances make champions. JJ should get majority of snaps vs NW. Get him ready to beat MSU PSU OSU. OK I'm done.
October 15th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^
How much decision making power do you have in this world? I'm concerned you might have some over another human in some capacity
October 15th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^
Imagine this guy coaching a little league team
Love what Timmy on shortstop gives us but this BABY will get us ready for kid pitch put him on the mound now. OK I’m done
October 15th, 2021 at 7:45 PM ^
Do you equate Michigan football with a little league team? Is this what you bring to the table? Sad. So sad.
October 16th, 2021 at 8:46 AM ^
Thank you for the second opportunity to down vote.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:04 PM ^
Lol Gary. If I was drinking something it would be all over the floor right now!
October 15th, 2021 at 7:43 PM ^
Play competitive sports to win championships. Talent like Cade does not win championships. Talent like JJ gives you that chance. Why are you so afraid to go for championships?
October 15th, 2021 at 8:15 PM ^
I thought you were done.
October 16th, 2021 at 7:55 AM ^
No one is supporting Cade because they think his ceiling is higher or because they are afraid to lose. We support Cade because he is giving his all for our team and winning. We have only seen JJ throw 14 passes but the coaches watch them everyday. When JJ is ready the coaches will play him and we will cheer for him just as hard for him.
October 16th, 2021 at 7:04 AM ^
C'mon. Leave him alone, he's feverish.
October 17th, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^
I agree. After seeing how Caleb Williams has changed OU's offense, I would be on board with this.
October 15th, 2021 at 6:50 PM ^
Hi, JJs mom.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:59 PM ^
That's a sexist statement. You got a problem with strong woman ?
October 15th, 2021 at 11:43 PM ^
Lmfao!
October 16th, 2021 at 7:49 AM ^
Who is Strong Woman? Need more info.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^
Watching JJ throw, you can see he has been well coached. Good mechanics and footwork. He just needs experience. Donovan could be a the best home-run threat since Tyrone Wheatley. They both have great attitudes.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:13 PM ^
JJ throws such a good ball! It's like a photon torpedo. But not as shiny.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:09 PM ^
Your take is incorrect, but not completely off base. Its players like Cade that are allowing Michigan to RETAIN and develop top tier young talent like Donovan and JJ.
Do you think these guys would be okay to sit on the sidelines for a 3-3 team? IMO they are only okay sitting on the bench because Michigan is staking up Ws.
It’s the same reason OSU seems loaded every year. They can retain talent because they are winning constantly and the talent is fine waiting their turn.
No I don’t think we will be OSU elite after one year, but it’s an extremely important stepping stone to getting to and maintaining that level.
EDIT: And players like Cade are essential to elevating Michigan to the next level.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:49 PM ^
It's time to take the next step. Why is that so scary to so many on this blog?
October 16th, 2021 at 12:24 AM ^
Maybe JJ isn't the starting qb because he isn't ready yet? Did you ever think of that?
October 15th, 2021 at 7:59 PM ^
I’m not afraid to be want great!!!! That I can confirm with ? percent certainty.
October 15th, 2021 at 8:19 PM ^
I am old enough to remember these EXACT same conversations a little over 2 decades ago. Tom Brady is good, but he is not going to ever get us over the hump. If we want greatness, we need to get the superstar Drew Henson into the game. That kid is a real game changer. Tom Brady has hit his ceiling, and he'll never be anything more than just a good college quarterback.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:17 PM ^
People who think Henson was better than Brady don't understand football talent.
Those who think Cade is better than JJ also don't understand football talent.
Michigan can get away with being mediocre because too much of there fan base doesn't really understand what it takes to be elite. Many think we have made it back to the top because we have a talent like Cade at QB. That just isn't reality.
October 16th, 2021 at 8:16 AM ^
I was there for the great Henson-Brady debate, and it mirrors the current situation pretty closely. Henson was the talented 5-star to Brady's heady game manager. Funny things about being a fan, we all think we know talent when we see it. Henson had plenty of talent, but fell in love with the money and relative safety of playing baseball over football. Too bad he couldn't hit a big league curve ball. Had he stuck with football, he might have had a career in the NFL.
October 16th, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^
What, only you and people that agree with you understand football talent?
In 1998 Drew Henson was - outside of Michael Vick - considered the best high school football player in the country, and also the best baseball player in the country. He and Rashan Gary are the most coveted Michigan recruits in modern football history. Henson was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a senior in high school.
Conversely, strictly speaking in 1998, Tom Brady was a relatively pedestrian quarterback. 1999 was the season where he separated himself and you started to see him become Tom Brady. Carr still had Henson split time with him because he was the golden boy recruit and wanted to fulfill his promise during Henson's recruitment that he could play right away. It was obvious in '99 Brady had elevated his game and was the better quarterback.
Henson went on to have an excellent junior year after recovering from an injury, and was the odds on favorite to win the Heisman going into the 2001 season before Steinbrenner offered him a bag full of cash to quit football and focus entirely on his career with the Yankees.
"People who think Henson was better than Brady don't understand football talent" is a statement that really doesn't make sense. Brady was two years older, was always the starting quarterback when Henson was his backup and really developed into a great player his senior year. Once Brady went pro, Henson followed that up with an excellent junior campaign and then left the team to go play major league baseball.
October 16th, 2021 at 6:49 PM ^
Henson was never a better QB than Brady. NEVER. Cade is not a better QB than JJ. Staying with Cade gives us nothing to hang our har on. We need to roll with the talent. JJ is the talent. I appreciate Cade. But let's roll with the big boy talent. I know it can be scary. But in the long run top tier talent will get us to where we all want to be. I'm assuming all Michigan football fans want to compete for BIGTEN and National Championships. QB's like JJ brings in top level talent.
October 17th, 2021 at 1:06 AM ^
Really?..
Tom Brady 1998:
12 games, 2427 yds., 61.9% comp., 14 TD, 10 INT, 133 Passer Rtg.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/michigan/1998.html
Drew Henson 2000:
8 games, 1852 yds., 60.4% comp., 16 TD, 4 IN, 152.7 Passer Rtg.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/michigan/2000.html
Because the data suggests otherwise.
How do you know JJ is better than Cade, are you the quarterbacks coach? JJ has a stronger arm, he's a faster runner, and he's better at the read option. Agreed. Does that mean he is unequivocally a better quarterback? Is he better at pre-snap reads, protection adjustments, avoiding sacks, limiting turnovers, checking into the right play, managing the clock, leading the huddle, knowing the full playbook? I don't know and neither do you. But the coaches probably have a pretty good idea.
There is no way you can claim with total confidence that a true freshman quarterback who has thrown 14 collegiate passes is without question better than the guy in his third year in the program. Michigan has played 405 offensive snaps this season. JJ has taken 32 of those snaps. That doesn't even equate to one full half's worth of plays. He clearly has demonstrated he can make some tremendous plays and has tons of potential. That doesn't mean he's ready to be the guy that orchestrates the offense for every single drive, game in, game out.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:22 PM ^
One major difference....Cade and JJ are both first year players (in elgibility for the next 4 years). Moreover, OSU has a first year hotshot and it is our backup that is tied with him at a QBR rate that would equate to 4th best in the country. This despite little in the way of helpful play calling when he has been in the game....still he has thrown two of the best passes in recent UM memory (out of his 14 attempts so far). JJ is the proven passer and proven runner.....he needs a chance to develop at the same pace as our arch rivals QB Stroud .... that will decide who dominates the next 3 years.
October 15th, 2021 at 8:23 PM ^
I don't want to take anything away from the kid, because he did hit on 2 really good passes, especially for a freshman. However, if you take those two passes away, he's 7 for 12 for 53 yards.. Not bad, by any means, but that's not consistent numbers that say he should unseat the quarterback of a 6-0 team. Continue to get him some reps, and let the game continue to come to him.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:50 PM ^
We’re really just going to do this every year aren’t we?
Can’t wait to see you bail on JJ on his next incomplete pass ?
October 16th, 2021 at 12:14 AM ^
JJ can take us to the promised land eventually, but not in 2021. Do you really think we beat OSU this year by having JJ in the game over Cade? Or that he gets us a win in Happy Valley? Or East Lansing? He's got a good chance to do those things in the future, but this team needs to not make mistakes and have great leadership if they are going to continue to over achieve. Cade clearly has the trust of the team and has shown he can make the right choice and move the sticks. For this season, Cade is the right choice and gives you the best chance to win. Harbaugh had to win at least 7-8 games this year to have any semblance of hope the 2022 season could be special. The best case scenario is to go with the QB who can win you the games you are supposed to win, lead the team, and move the offense. If the chances of JJ winning the big game(s) are significantly higher than Cade than obviously you start JJ. It is hard for me to believe JJ could go get these past two games on the road though as a true freshman. He may have made some spectacular plays that show what he is capable of, but Michigan probably wouldn't be 6-0 right now.
As I agree McCarthy is probably going to take the starting job sometime after 2021. It is a pleasure to see the coaches insert him in pressure moments and giving him opportunity's to create plays that Cade can't. Big snaps in the red zone against Wisconsin on the road can only do good things for his development.
October 16th, 2021 at 7:51 AM ^
Please submit your resume to the Michigan Athletic Dept. You obviously know more about football than the Michigan coaching staff.
October 16th, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
You were prolly the same guy calling for JOK when WS was starting...
October 15th, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^
It's hard to like these 2
... more!
When these guys are juniors and their chemistry is like they think with one brain. Hopefully we can add some top flight receivers or develop the ones we have and they'll be no stopping this team.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:14 PM ^
When JJ is a junior, Cade also will be a junior in eligibility, not sure why everyone thinks there will be some magic moment when it will be clear it is JJ's time.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^
If Cade is good enough to start over JJ next season, you don’t have to worry about Cade being here for JJ’s junior season. Cade will turn pro. The question in that case is, will JJ wait his turn for another year? The winner of the job during spring practice 2022 likely stays to start in the fall. The loser of that competition probably looks to the portal. But that’s way in the future. Better to just focus on the next game and enjoy the hell out of this season.
October 15th, 2021 at 10:08 PM ^
You think Cade has the talent to play in the NFL? Can I get some of that mind altering stuff you use when watching football?
October 15th, 2021 at 11:45 PM ^
Do you understand the meaning of the word “if”?
October 16th, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
Did you watch Brian Griese game manage his way into the NFL for 10 years?
October 15th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^
I don’t know any team that would sit a guy with a 88.4 QBR (tied with fellow freshman Stroud at OSU) for 4th place in the country. McCarthy and Stroud are literally record setting freshman throwers right now. We all should be worried that only one of them is being integrated into his offense's playbook and team chemistry.
Yes, I am grateful that Cade keeping a steady top 30 QBR pace just like Spencer Rattler, but we face the same choice as Oklahoma .... go with the high ceiling choice and play for a championship or play not to lose as we have for the last 7 years.
And for those revisionists that keep saying JJ has just looked good in "mop-up duty." They are ignoring that he came in and threw the team's pass of the year so far at the start of the 3rd quarter in a one score game. Moreover, most mop-up time is nothing but a shit show....what QB ever earned his start by looking good in the chaos of playing 2nd stringers against another team's starters.
October 15th, 2021 at 11:14 PM ^
You can't compare the QBR of a backup with 14 pass attempts on the season against a starting QB after 6 games. You lose all credibility with such a dumb statement...
October 16th, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^
Yes, we should ignore the fact that the 3 best passes thrown by any UM quarterback this season were thrown by the guy who has only had 14 attempts and not the guy who had 114 pass attempts. If you think my comparison was "dumb" I am thinking you must consider the coach of undefeated Oklahoma Lincoln Riley to be near imbecile status to dump his top 30 QBR quarterback for a freshman that didn't even have those prep games before starting.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:32 PM ^
No way I could talk like JJ when I was a freshman. Damn. I hope he gets 2 full quarters next week and lights it up
October 15th, 2021 at 7:51 PM ^
He should get three quarters.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:07 PM ^
...I motion for all 4 quarters.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:39 PM ^
Love these young guys. I really feel like this is the class that will get M over the top to B1G Championships/wins over osu.
I simultaneously believe that M can beat osu this year as well (just throwing that out there in case anyone thinks I'm dismissing this year's squad).
JJ, Blake Corum, Edwards, Roman Wilson, Henning, Mikey Sainristil and Erick All leading the Offense sounds dangerous ?? the future is bright.
October 15th, 2021 at 8:04 PM ^
Buckeyes are preparing their freshman game after game to dominate for the next 3 years. It may not be pleasant, but more Wolverines need to put their Urban Meyer hat on for a minute and think..would he be starting Cade or JJ? We all know that answer.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:33 PM ^
In 2017, freshman Dwayne Haskins sat behind J.T. Barrett. Not the answer you were expecting, I suppose.
J.T.’s last 3 seasons he put up yards per attempt averages of 6.7, 6.7, and 8.2. He also tossed 9 INTs when Haskins was a freshman.
Cade is at 8.3 YPA and has 1 INT through 6 games.
October 15th, 2021 at 10:14 PM ^
JT won games with his legs for OSU. I admire your love for Michigan Football but trying to compare Cade to JT makes you look...... uninformed about what it takes to be a championship caliber team.