I'd link to it but I'm on my phone. Pretty much said that the defense was playing well but the offense was terrible.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
I'd link to it but I'm on my phone. Pretty much said that the defense was playing well but the offense was terrible.
I feel like a lot of people just blindly believe that because it's Urban Meyer that the schematic transition is going to be seamless and Ohio will simply dominate from the get-go; not saying that won't be the case necessarily, but I wouldn't be surprised by a 8-4 type season from them either.
Been saying since the beginning that Ohio won't be as tough as everyone thinks. Their defense will be really good. I'm fairly certain they return all their defensive starters from last year, but we put up 40+ on them, so there's that. Their offense will be facing a lot of struggles, with the new scheme, new RB, new star WR, new coaches, etc. Of course, I'm among the more optimistic on the board, thinking we'll beat Bama, go the MNC, or at the very least, go to the Rose Bowl.
there are just a lot of questions on D that are scaring me going into the season.
Coming out of Spring ball is alleviating most of my concerns about the D. Granted, it's Spring ball, but things are looking good on D. Even if the D takes a step back this year, the offense will presumably take a step forward to cover up those deficiencies.
You need a little more emphasis on that + after 40 points. Is it bad that I am still a little bitter over that horrible removal of our TD that led to a game to be much closer than it should have been?
There was a post a couple months ago by a guy who did some computerized camera angle geometry voodoo which showed that the refs made the right call.
but their D is very good, they are returning most of the prior coaching staff, they have an excellent QB, who played the year before and is perfect for the spread, and they haven't suffered significant departures from the coaching transition.
Doesn't OSU start Spring practice later than us? Is this like their 4th or 5th one?
Urban seems pleased with the defense, particularly John Simon, Johnathan Hankins, and Michael Bennett. Among the linebackers, reports are saying that Ryan Shazier is near unstoppable and Curtis Grant is finally showing flashes worthy of his 5* ranking. I don't know how much of it is due to facing a young O-line, but at the moment I'm expecting a least an above-average D-Line from OSU next season. (On a side-note: I'm honestly really excited to see what kind of secondary Everett Withers can produce. I do not think we've had a truly fearful secondary since Jenkins, Chekwa, Russell, and Coleman were on the field together.)
On the offensive side, it's a much different story. The only positions Urban seems somewhat happy with are the running backs and tight ends. The running backs are have tremendous depth (Roderick Smith, Carlos Hyde, Bri'onte Dunn, and possibly Jordan Hall) with Smith and Hyde looking to be the frontrunners. Jake Stoneburner anchors the tight end position with a suitable back up in Jeff Heuerman. Braxton Miller isn't fully developed yet as a passer, but I wouldn't necessarily say he's behind schedule either. Ultimately Braxton is still the perfect athlete that Urban needs to run his system. The WR corp is missing a Percy Harvin-type playmaker and it has definitely caused some problems, but it is a young and deep group so it is possible for someone to emerge by fall. The biggest disappoint so far is the O-line, the linemen Urban is used to working with are the polar opposite of what Bollman wanted and recruited. Jack Mewhort is the most consistent lineman, which is why he holds down the LT position as of right now. However, Urban has said "we don't have tackles" and they're just making due with what they have right now. Also that he may consider trimming down the offensive playbook to match the current personnel.
It does seem that the players are buying into Mickey Marotti’s conditioning program.
I really enjoyed watching Shazier play last year. I feel like he will be OSU's Lavante David.
I'm still a little disappointed that it took the previous coaching staff so long to elevate him to a starter. I understand that he was a true freshman, but the LB corp was a mess and nobody was stepping up... why not give the special team standout a chance to prove himself?
Shazier is labeled as a speed rusher, but I'm really impressed by his ability to play inside when asked too. Above all, the kid hits like a truck and now that he's added a little more weight I'm not as afraid of him getting injured when laying down the wood.
Sounds like coachspeak to me. This is the same kind of stuff that was coming out of Hoke midway through last season, and we know how that turned out. End of the day, Meyer already has the kind of QB he needs, and he has a heck of a lot of talent on that roster. His recruiting has been as good as you can expect, and I believe that they’ll be a solid team next season. Should make The Game very interesting.
All very legitimate points but obviously the recruiting won't be a factor for a few years and Braxton may be what he needs but the lineman they have down there may not be agile and quick enough for that type of offense yet.
True, true. Ohio should be pretty good this year. Should be a classic battle for Toledo this year!
What bugs me about The Game this year is that it's their bowl game and we're not the SEC that they can't beat without cheating. But I am sure Hoke will have Team 133 sufficiently prepared and motivated.
As if we're going to be pulling punches in anticipation of a bowl game?
Admittedly, I haven't read up on this a whole lot, but the main thing I've heard is that the defense is actually slowing down the offense's progress. The veteran defensive line has been so disruptive over the course of the drills that the offense hasn't even had the ability to run plays like they should be in a growth setting.
Right, because it would be totally impossible for the coaches to tell them, "Hey, if you want us to score some points this year, let's not blow through the OL on every single play and let them get some useful reps."
So I'm not a football coach or anything, but couldn't you just run the offense ones against scout team defense? No need for anybody to let up that way.
The defense is too good sounds like rationalizing to me.
No, Im sorry if you thought I was trying to make excuses, I think any fan of college football can agree that no offense learning a new scheme will be polished the first time they step on the field. But to ask the DLs to play 50%, or have the starters play a scout team would be doing a disservice to the entire scheme. I think this offense will only be marginally more productive than last year, but I also think that they will gain valuable experience while trying to block what could be the best DLs in the Big Ten. Also, with the emphasis that Urban puts on "winners" at offense/defense practice, they're probably getting the best possible competition to grow this way. Don't construe my comment as making excuses, but do realize that the competition in practice is as tough as any that they'll see in games this season.
Or maybe the offense is just really that bad... *crosses fingers*
Miller wasn't that good last season. Most of his throws were way off line in most of the games I watched other than a long pass against Wisconsin. Sometimes stud recruits don't work out although he has 3 more years to prove himself.
Kinda. It had a lot more to do with Posey than with Miller though.
He was good, but if he could have hit wide open receivers, they would have won.
No, they wouldn't have won.
I don't know what you're talking about. Had he completed that pass to Posey during the final drive where Posey was just wide open, I think we would have lost, or at least would have needed another "Denard-moment" to win it.
Edit: This one:
Yeah, we would have still won. Even had that pass had been a td there was still a 1:40 left on the clock with two timeouts left and we had already put up forty and had our last TD called back twice. So saying we would have lost is just flat wrong. That game was full of Denard moments. If the Ohio defense would have played better that game then we might have lost I guess but they didn't.
Scored a touchdown that was incorrectly overturned or the game would have been completely sealed up.
Er, we've been over that. They made the correct call. If they got it right, you can't come back saying they shouldn't have overturned it because it was too close to call. The goal is always to get as many calls as possible right.
I could be wrong here but wasn't the original run ruled a touchdown?
I have seen the analysis on MGo on the call but I did wonder why that was the specific game/situation where the referee in the booth determined to apply fidelity to the concept of absolute ruling clarity.
I understand the principle but it did seem a rather unique application given the body of work I anecdotally observed in replay across the B1G last season...just saying.
How did they make the correct rule? It was called a TD on the field, and one replay showed he was down early. But the other replay showed he was across the goalline before he went down. That sure sounds like disputable evidence to me....
But if they don't get the fortunate fumble from Denard then they're not even making that throw. That was poor corner play allowing the receiver to beat him deep quite easily. Really not indicative of how that offense will be able to perform next year.
Honestly, he is kind of like Denard. He just doesn't run as well. But in the passing game, he is similar. They have similar mistakes they need to correct, too. They both make poor decisions, can't connect on many passes and throw off their back foot.
I still thank God that he overthrew Posey on that last drive.
Denard's "mistakes" are usually underthrown, and result in "jump balls" if the defender adjusts. Often, though, the passes look intentionally "underthrown" to take advantage of the defender being behind the reciever.
Consequently, I can't buy into Miller being "a lot like Denard." Let MIller put up good numbers in two totally different offenses like Denard did, and I might agree, but not now.
all the time. It's the reason teams can go man-to-man and leave one (or no) safety deep. I actually think we started the jump ball stuff because the coaches saw all the 1-on-1 match-ups being wasted due to overthrows.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. They still have months of S&C, practice and even games before we play them. While I do agree that people are over estimating Ohio simply because it's Urban Meyer, I think judging them right now is silly. No coach is ever happy with how their team looks.
Let's not forget, Michigan last spring was kind of scary for fans.
This is what I expected. OSU isn't going to get back to the national level they should be at for another year or two. They need time.
They don't have the personnel issues we had during the Rich Rod transition, so I don't expect a trainwreck of a season from them like our 3-9 campaign in '08.
Agree. We had personal for a totally different offense than what we were running. This is different.
Meyer is just trying to keep the kids working hard, in order to improve. I also think Meyer realizes that the bar has been set extremely high for him, and he wants to lower the expectations of immediate success.
That also sounds familiar... Didn't go over well at Michigan and it will go even worse at Ohio, the school of irrational thought.
That's why I'm still angry about that play. It never should have mattered since we scored a TD to go up by 10, but the refs called it back which leads to the constant we almost beat you if Miller didn't overthrow Posey gripe from Ohio fans.
I tend to ignore 'if we were better we would've beaten you' arguments, since they are idiotic.
I honestly think that Roh, Black, Campbell, and Pipkins can be just as good as the front we had last year if what we're hearing about Jibreel and big Will out of spring ball is true.
but i'll have to see it to believe it. If the dline ends up being just as good, it'll be due to more than just those four guys. They'll have to rotate more than last year and show better depth. It's possible, but far from certain. The growth potential in the d is in the back 7, imo.
I don't buy it. Attempting to predict next fall's performance based on a coach's comments after two spring practices is a silly and pointless exercise, anyway.
This isn't just coach speak. OSU has serious offensive problems. Miller has all the potential in the world, but still needs to improve his accuracy significantly to be consistently good. However, even if he improves his accuracy, OSU still doesn't have a proven outside receiver threat and no established tailback. Furthermore, they lost two future draft picks (Adams and Brewster) off of a pretty poor offensive line.
The defense will keep them winning, but expect no more than 8ish wins and a couple really embarrassing outings.
...may be in earnest in this interview, in my opinion. The Buckeyes have serious depth issues in several places on the offense.
For starters, Braxton Miller could end up being consistently great for them - time will tell there. What if he is out though? Could Kenny Guiton or Cardele Jones step into the spread offense seamlessly? Supposely, Meyer isn't a fan of Guiton and Jones literally just got there, so I am assuming not.
There are good WRs in that offense, but very little experience overall despite several returning players. Jordan Hall in the slot perhaps, but then what? Meyer does not have a lot of time to figure this one out either. I would be interested to see who starts at this position on September 1st.
OL depth is probably the most glaring hole now that the Walrusball Empire has fallen in Columbus. I see a lot of experimentation on the line this season for them (between figuring out positional strengths and the implementation of the spread), considering that Bollman himself wasn't terribly concerned with who played where. They'll have to figure out where players SHOULD be, I believe, so once again, there may not be huge production here.
Don't really buy it. Offense will have a rougher transition, but the defense will keep them in most all games. Look at PSU last year: they didn't even play with a QB, but rode the good D to a decent record even in the midst of that scandal. Hell, look at our last spring and how that turned out for us.
Alot of really good coaches have struggled their first year at a new school and then taken off on year 2. There's just an adjustment period
Pete Carroll 6-6 in year 1
Nick Saban 6-6 in year 1
Meyer at Florida 7-5 in year 1
Jim Tressel 7-5 in year 1
Bob Stoops 7-5 in year 1
I expect we'll see a whatever season from Ohio State this year but that they will be ready to go in year 2.
I completely agree with your logic, but it makes me that much happier to say that Hoke went 11-2 in his first year.
Very true. Another kudos for Hoke. While I'm skeptical of this report here's to hoping it's true. Hopefully they look (and are) awful.
for the name "Flamebait". Very topical in the post-voting freedoms era of MGoBoard.
Thank you good sir
If he hadn't, we'd have been 14-0. ;-)
Pretty crazy that all the OSU fans are sure they will go atleast 10-2 next year. Though they do have a pretty good roster for being 6-7 last season and are in better shape than most programs that have their head coach fired. But if a coach is rather down on his teams chances during press interviews, it should be a sign to watch out. I'm sure no one here forgets the patience that RR asked for during the preseason practices his first year. He knew the team wasn't going to be good that year.
Rich Rodriguez 3-9 in year 1
Your year 2 assumption doesn't always hold (unfortunately)
can play like shit all day, and have 5 great plays in 3 drives, and get his team 14-17 points. If a RB emerges (lots of talented alternatives) and the D gets them TOs and field position, they'll score plenty.
I do expect the Buckeye offense to struggle early in the year, but by the time we play them, they might have a lot of the kinks worked out. Like others have said, though, their biggest question is QB play.
I will try to pound out another diary with my observations in a timely fashion hopefully the same weekend of April 21st. The OL and offensive skill players are a big question mark in my mind so I am not suprised that optionball 2.0 has not entirely taken root in the Olentangy floodplain just yet.
I agree with what a lot of posters say here that OSU is not going to just steamroll through its competition next year because now we have Urban Meyer as our coach. There will certainly be growing pains. And even though The Game is at the 'Shoe this year (and we almost pulled it out at the Big House last year) I would still imagine that you guys would be the clear favorites to win that game given Denard's star-power and the emergence of your defense, etc.
I do disagree with what a lot of you have said about Braxton Miller. I'm sure you guys did not watch all of his games last year, and most of you are probably going off of stats. But the reality is that Fickell coached not to lose last year (as evidenced by him starting Joe freaking Bauserman for a few games). When he finally started Braxton he called almost no pass plays for the kid. One game (i forget which) Braxton threw the ball three times all game, or something crazy like that (one did go for a TD though).
The few times that we HAD to pass the ball (like the Wisconsin game) Braxton always came through. The Michigan game was a bit of a shock to most OSU fans, not because we didn't think he could throw the ball, but because we didn't think Fickell would let him. We came out in the Shotgun and called pass plays, often. It was insane. this mostly had to do with the fact that Posey was back but it also was a nod to Braxton as he kept improving each practice and each game.
As for Urban's comments, I didn't hear that or read that (and I would have if they were true since I read, and subscribe to, a lot of OSU blogs and the like. But nevertheless, even if Urban was "down" on Braxton it's clearly a motivational tactic. I say this because everything I have read on Urban regarding Braxton is that he thinks he plays beyond his years and has the best all-around skillset of any QB he's ever coached, including Tebow.
What i HAVE read is that our offensive line gets schooled by our D-line. And the number one gripe is that our WRs are not playmakers. They're solid, but they're not Posey. Hopefully someone steps up, but it's not likely.
Either way, figured I'd give the OSU perspective from someone who's tapped in into anything Urban and OSU related. Best of luck to you guys and here's to the first year of the Urban-Hoke rivalry.
refreshing to read a nice osu response without all the negative comments from both side. well said.
Man, I really miss the "Like a Baus" era of Ohio Football...
See if you can stomach the meltdown after our Spring Game last year. And we went 11-2. Not looking great 5 months before you play a game that matters means nothing.
I'm a young coach, and if you really think about what OSU is trying to do from a football point of view it's going to be a tough year. Scheme wise OSU has always favored a an I-formation/power type of game save the Pryor years. But even then they still had elements of the power. I'm a big scheme guy so I tend to think in those terms. You obviously recruit completely different athletes to do completely different things in whatever scheme you favor. I.E. Georgia Techs athletes wouldn't be favorable to run a pass heavy spread. And it isn't just QB's, WR's, and RB's I'm talking about. I think people just assume "Yeah, get big OL to block the guys in front of them." Which isn't always the case. That works great in a power/zone blocking type of scheme. But when you're talking spread option/spread to run you're asking OL to block second level guys and occasionally pull and trap. This requires somewhat small and more agile offensive lineman. Not to mention different types of RB's. OSU has lots of talent and Meyer is a great coach. But Vince Lombardi himself couldn't walk into a transition like that and make it work overnight. You're asking players to do completely different things now. Realistically, they only have had a few months so far to try and implement these things and its a big time switch in philosophy they're making. So I don't really think anyone should be surprised if OSU has a 7-5, 8-4 season. Meyer has had some great teams, but after Tebow left FL they were no longer an elite team. Even though Meyer had top 5 recruiting clases and elite talent to work with. I saw several early predictions that had OSU winning their division (even though they obviously are not eligible for the post season) and I just couldn't understand it. I don't care how much talent they hav this isn't going to be an easy transition and there are going to be growing pains. And not that I'm complaining at all. This is almost a perfect storm for us. Recruiting wise, and momentum wise we have a great oppourtunity here to use this moment to take an upper hand in the rivalry. And I don't think Hoke and company are going to waste it.
It is not like Urban is working with an empty cupboard (ala RichRod). Urban gets to develop Braxton Miller as opposed to someone like John Brantley, and a decent stable of running backs of all styles. The WR corp is young and unproven, but at least they are deep and he can whittle it down from there. I wholeheartedly agree that the offensive line is a complete opposite of what Urban wants; I'm just hoping he can mold them appropriately by fall.
The biggest upside I think is that OSU returns a large chuck of their defense including all their playmakers. They should be able to ride their defense to a respectable record (8-4 or better?).
the vast majority of Buckeye fans I know are targeting 9-3 as a good first season. I'd be perfectly happy with 8-4 and signs of cohesiveness with the new offense. Braxton and the receivers don't worry me as there is a ton of talent there. I'm positive that 2 out of Spencer, Smith, Brown, Reed, Thomas, Hall, and Williams will step up as reliable options. Braxton is lightyears ahead of what Pryor was at the same stage and hoenstly, Denard as well. His mechanics and footwork are much better than both at the same point in their careers. The questions as others have stated will be the O-line. I expect Meyer to have replaced 2-3 OL starters by the 2013 season. And that is the year most OSU fans are really waiting for.