Interpreting some post-game quotes from the coaches

Submitted by Hail to the Vi… on September 16th, 2021 at 7:26 PM

I was reading an article over on The Athletic (well worth the subscription, btw), and a couple of comments the coaches made I thought indirectly answered some questions, or provided context for some of the discussions I've seen on this here blog. I copied just some of the direct quotes below (I believe these are directly from press conferences, so not disclosing paywall information), with my interpretation for what can be gathered about the innerworkings of the coaching philosophy:

“After the first game, the captains said 50 percent of our defense hadn’t played in front of fans before,”  - Mike MacDonald

That's actually a pretty interesting anecdote. I knew this defense was breaking in a lot of new players. 50% of the defense having never played in front of a crowd creates a pretty unique dynamic. I'd imagine this unit will be prone to mistakes, especially on the road. By the end of the season though, it seems more possible than we had originally thought this group could be very good given the trajectory they're on.

“I think you always go in with the intention to run the ball,” Hart said. “Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t think the intention was to run that ball that much. … None of us thought we were going to run the ball that many times against that defense because it’s a great defense.” - Mike Hart

Seems to be suggesting what a lot of us tried to either extrapolate or rationalize from the game plan. The game plan was not to run the ball that much, but if it's working and the defense is going to give it to you, then you take it. It doesn't sound like, however, the coaches think an 80/20 run-pass split is what will be effective game in, game out.

“I’ve got to get [Edwards] on the field more, he’s talented. I told him the other day he should have had more carries against Washington, without a doubt.” - Mike Hart

This might put to bed the debate on the board related to who manages the running back rotation. Admittedly, my assumption was that those responsibilities belonged to the offensive coordinator. But Mike's comments would speak to the contrary. My personal opinion, I don't see any rush to get Edwards a significant amount of touches this season; and I am very high on Edwrds, I think he's going to be great. Michigan has two, more experienced, NFL caliber running backs in my opinion ahead of him. I'm not sure what is missing from Michigan's running game that can't be delivered from Haskins/Corum. I don't see the upside in squeezing Edwards into the rotation at the expense of potentially disrupting the rhythm that Haskins/Corum are in. I think just continue to give Edwards some low-leverage game snaps, and let him develop over the course of the season with Mike Hart in practice. Next year the training wheels come off and he will assume the workload that Corum is getting this season. The again, I'm just a guy on the internet, so we'll see.

“When you have great players, you try to put them in positions to succeed. The expectation is that [Hutchinson] plays to the level he’s playing at. We’ll have wrinkles, and we’re going to move him around, but we don’t want to overthink it, either. We don’t want to get in the way of that.” - Mike MacDonald

This quote from MacDonald, to me is very encouraging. I may be misremembering, but I got the sense that in Brown's scheme, player responsibilities are relatively static, and the key to success is to be more dominant at your job than your opposing man is at his. In modern football, I think that is a losing proposition because that means you have eleven potential points of failure dependent upon the matchup any given week. It sounds like in MacDonald's scheme, player responsibilities may change subtly week to week. He won't entirely get away from letting guys do what they do best, but their assignments may not look exactly the same every week. This makes it more confusing for offenses to understand what they're looking at, and also gives Michigan the luxury of disguising or hiding certain weaknesses of the defense. I like that approach for this defense. 

swan flu

September 16th, 2021 at 7:38 PM ^

Corum is a 2nd year freshman and Haskins is a senior with 2 years of eligibility left.

 

Do you think Haskins goes pro after this year? If so, do we have lightening and lightening next year with Dunlap as the occasional thunder?

TBuck97

September 16th, 2021 at 7:57 PM ^

Who knows but if Haskins has the opportunity to go to the draft after this year then it would probably make the most sense. Yeah think between a team that is going to pound the rock a lot (takes a physical toll) and having 2-3 talented backs behind him who will all have another year experience going to the draft would be a good call. 

Hail to the Vi…

September 16th, 2021 at 11:50 PM ^

Higdon was a pretty good back, but Haskins is better IMO. Specifically, I think Haskins' patience and vision is on another level. 

Higdon was a great one cut, physical runner. If you go back and watch some of the gifs Seth put together for Haskins' in Offensive UFR, he is so patient as he reaches the line of scrimmage, waits for his blocks to develop, then cuts - sometimes across two gaps - and accelerates through the hole and meets the next defender with violence. That is really impressive in my opinion, reminiscent of Le'Veon Bell at MSU. (not suggesting Haskins is the next Le'Veon Bell at the pro level). I think Haskins is the type of running back NFL scouts love, even if he's a 4-6th round pick.  

Hail to the Vi…

September 16th, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^

I would bet Haskins probably goes pro after this season if that option is available to him (and I think it will be). When it comes to running backs, I think the NFL takes strongly into consideration the amount of "tread on the tire" so to speak; or in other words, the fewer carries a back has in college, the more capacity he will have for carries at the professional level, which makes him a more enticing draft prospect.

For Haskins, I think he'll have enough film out there to show pro scouts what he can do. So any additional talent he shows to scouts in a potential 5th year would be negated by the additional carries he would take to demonstrate his pro potential. Under that context, and assuming he'll have his degree in hand, there's really nothing else he should need to demonstrate to pro scouts at the college level that they haven't already seen from his film. From a pro-career perspective, it would be a good business decision for him to declare for the draft after this season.

Qmatic

September 16th, 2021 at 9:26 PM ^

It’s really easy to root for a guy like Haskins. Brought in as a RB (not supremely high rated), moved to Viper, then moved back to RB. At the start of the 2019 season he was 5th string RB behind Charbonnet, Turner, Wilson, and BVS. He just made the most of his opportunities and proved he needed carries and by the ND game he was hurdling over a top 10 team.

Ezekiels Creatures

September 16th, 2021 at 11:53 PM ^

I can kinda see why you say that. Haskins is really aggressive into the hole, and pulls out of tackles. But Brandon Jacobs weighed 40 lbs more. He would blow over LBs sometimes. And his zero to 60 speed was awesome. Maybe gaining some weight would be a way to go for Haskins.

I looked up videos on Brandon Jacobs. I had forgotten how fun he was to watch.

 

The Purple Helmet

September 16th, 2021 at 8:01 PM ^

I agree with your take on the Edwards thing.

im sure he came to Michigan knowing he was behind two great backs and it would be a learning year for him.

Perkis-Size Me

September 16th, 2021 at 9:55 PM ^

“I really like our chances this year after seeing OSU’s defense.”

Sigh…..have you learned nothing from the last two decades? Even if they look like shit now, that is not going to be the same OSU defense that we see in week 12. Trust me, they will have their shit figured out by kickoff that day. OSU’s defense was an all-around sieve in 2018 for 11 weeks. Then Michigan rolls into town and then all of a sudden the switch flips, they’re getting pressure, no one misses assignments, they make all the tackles they normally miss, and so on.

Don’t get me wrong, if Michigan can get its playmakers to that game healthy (not holding my breath given recent history but we can still hope), then they will have a better shot than they’ve had in recent years. But don’t make the mistake of assuming that OSU won’t turn this all around juuuuuust in time for rivalry week. 

Hail to the Vi…

September 16th, 2021 at 10:44 PM ^

I definitely do agree with you, OSU's defense is not going to look as disorganized against Michigan as they did against Oregon - they're going to get some things figured out... But, I don't think it's insignificant that they don't have experienced, successful play callers like Schiano or Mattison on their defensive staff. They don't have Urban Meyer on campus, who no one can convenience me wasn't part of the week-to-week game planning sessions - especially against Michigan, even when he was on campus teaching "leadership" to undergrads.

I do think they'll fix whatever was broken against Oregon. But I'm also not totally convenienced that Washington's defense is any worse than OSU's, in fact I think it's plausible that it might be better, 24/7 prospect rankings aside. Without much coordinating experience on the defensive side of the ball for them, I'd have to see it to believe they're going to be able develop a championship level defense.

All this is not to suggest there's enough there to predict a Michigan victory in The Game, because their offense is so good that it may not matter anyway. I do think Michigan will be able to run the ball on their defense though, which should setup the rest of what they want to do offensively (Washington play calling is not going to work against an offense as potent as their's). Whether MacDonald can scheme enough defensively to thread the needle for a victory is the question. I hope so, but wouldn't bet on it.

Couzen Rick's

September 16th, 2021 at 11:05 PM ^

While I generally agree with your sentiment - it’s not like OSU is directly descendant from the heavens thanksgiving weekend.

Looking back at OSU’s 2018 season in hindsight, it’s clear they just straight up didn’t gameplan for anyone the second half of that season, instead prepping for Michigan, expecting to coast through their other opponents on talent alone. In fact, the week before 62-39, OSU was a dropped Maryland 2pt conversion from sending us to Indy if you recall.

If anything, the coaching staff’s failure was to assume OSU would show up like scrubs and we could Base D our way out of Columbus. Even then, it was a 5 point game at halftime (admittedly that score was closer than the game actually was at that point).

2019 was simply arguably Ohio State’s most talented team ever. That they choked vs Clemson in the playoff still shocks me today.

Beyond that? 2017, had John O’Korn not thrown directly to an OSU defender or Metellus dropping a sure pick-6 we win. You look at 2012-2016, it’s pre-Day of course, but really outside of 2015 we were 2-3 plays from winning each game.

Of course, to the victors go the spoils, but fact is for several years OSU underperformed vs Michigan relative to theirs and Michigan’s season performances. OSU puts a TON of pressure on their players to win The Game. We just haven’t been able to leverage that into enough for a win. We’ve come close, but faltered whether due to injuries to the QB, DL; talent/coaching gap of the Hoke days etc

OSU owns us, but it’s not their birthright to beat us, and I’d argue our disadvantage is psychological as much as anything. Tressel turned it around for OSU, but before that, they were the underdog vs Michigan that pulled the upset in 2001. Honestly Michigan just needs the confidence/swagger that they can go toe to toe, and a little good luck that went the other way in years like ‘13 ‘16 ‘17.

outsidethebox

September 17th, 2021 at 4:59 AM ^

To this point in time-this season, there appears to be better cohesiveness with this team. Perhaps there will finally be a good measure of resilience built here too. The lack of resilience  the past number of seasons has been staggering. This is a coaching matter-and Jim Harbaugh remains at the head and he has been at fault here. The indications at this time is that there, indeed, is something different being brought by the new staff members. But so far this team has led the entire two games-we will see how they respond if and when they get behind by a score or two.

I am hopeful.

Michael Scarn

September 16th, 2021 at 8:50 PM ^

Hart has said his opinion is you need three backs to get through a Big Ten Season.  I tend to agree with him.  I can hear that its tough to take reps from 2 and 25, but getting Edwards non-garbage time touches seems important.

Hail to the Vi…

September 16th, 2021 at 10:11 PM ^

Yeah I do agree with the sentiment that Edwards needs to be prepared if/when the time comes that he's going to be needed to carry some of the load in the backfield with a game in the balance.

My perspective might come from being snake bitten by Jay's rotation from last year (and I really like Jay Harbaugh, I just don't think last year's RB rotation was his best work). There's definitely some balance and nuance it takes to maximize a backfield's potency and also maintain 3 game ready backs. Maybe have a few (3-5) scripted plays for Edwards that Gattis can work into each game plan while the game is undecided so he can get used to what it feels like to play big time college football at a winning level. And then get some reps whenever possible once a game is decided.

That's obviously for the coaches to decide, but last year was extremely frustrating when it was obvious Haskins was the best back, and he would only get 8 carries per game. Running back I think is a rhythm position, and it seems that Michigan has a good one going with Haskins/Corum. Would be frustrating to disrupt that because the coaches like Edwards' upside.

OldSchoolWolverine

September 16th, 2021 at 10:16 PM ^

It's obvious Hart said that because now is when resentment begins to form in these top recruits, when they had been promised playing time at other schools, and aren't playing yet.  Smart move by Hart acknowledging the feelings there.  And will follow with increase playing time.  

bsand2053

September 16th, 2021 at 10:33 PM ^

This is a great post and I agree with almost everything!

But I don’t think Donovan came here to get three or four carries in blowouts.  Mike is going to have to work him in more.  Every snap can be someone’s last so Donovan is going to have to get some more meaningful experience 

Hail to the Vi…

September 16th, 2021 at 11:13 PM ^

Thanks, bsand! And I totally agree with you, Edwards is probably getting anxious now to get on the field, as he should be, he's a great player. I definitely think they need to work him in, especially as the season goes on. But I do think RB is a position that develops a rhythm and gets better once guys get into that rhythm. Also, it might be worth putting into perspective for him (or any blue chip freshman for that matter), Corum and especially Haskins have been here putting the work in to earn the carries they're getting now. He probably wouldn't like it if a hot shot freshman came in and took carries he earned off his plate as a junior after he put the work in for a few years either.

Ultimately what I was trying to articulate wasn't necessarily to keep Edwards off the field when he's earned the playing time; it was more around don't break a rhythm, when the rhythm you have is delivering excellent results. Football minds smarter than mine get paid a lot of money to balance that equation, and I'm probably still a little snakebitten from Jay's rotation last year.

bsand2053

September 17th, 2021 at 2:08 AM ^

I totally agree that we have had too many cooks in the kitchen recently!  Hopefully we can keep everyone fed around here.

I just looked up Najee's stats (no we aren't Bama but our running back room is probably as close as we get).  As a freshman, he got 6 carries a game (only ten games) for 6.1 ypc.  As a senior he got 19 a game at 5.8 (how he managed to maintain that average while tripling his carries is beyond me).  

Donovan is averaging 3.5 carries a game (4.4 ypc).  I'd like to see him closer to Najee's 6 carries.  Doesn't really disrupt Blake and Hassan's rhythm but also gets him some more experience and lets recruits know that they'll see the field even if they have some dudes ahead of them

Ezekiels Creatures

September 16th, 2021 at 11:34 PM ^

This might put to bed the debate on the board related to who manages the running back rotation.

No, it won't. Even more obvious things than that have gone completely over the heads of about 33% of the people commenting on this board.

skatin@the_palace

September 17th, 2021 at 12:33 AM ^

Donovan Edwards is most definitely talented enough to see the field. If he’s a playmaker they’ve got to find ways to get him the ball in space, use him as a spell back, decoy whatever. We’ll need every club in the bag this season especially now that Ronnie Bell will miss the remainder of it. Wether it’s as a traditional back or by another means he’s going to contribute the rest of the way. Also play him so he doesn’t transfer, let’s not act like the guy didn’t have seemingly unlimited options coming out of high school. 

FlexUM

September 17th, 2021 at 7:20 AM ^

I feel really good with Hart managing DE and his workload. DE is certainly a freak that needs the ball but I think Hart probably has a really good pulse on the needs of young players and keeping that engagement. 

I have spent a lot of time working as an athletic trainer with college times and most of all these talented guys (I mean the ones that can impact the field right away) want to feel included and participate in the process of winning week to week. It never seems so much like "I must have 10 carries but if it's 8 I'm leaving". It's about incorporating them into the true gameplan throughout the week. Of course, that should culminate in an appropriate level of field time. 

Now with these guys being able to market themselves and make money they really don't want to just be "on the shelf". That also makes it a tough balancing act but I have trust in Hart to balance it all.