Illinois Snowflakes: The Coaching
November 19th, 2022 at 6:18 PM ^
Chicken shit neg you?
Ok
November 19th, 2022 at 8:50 PM ^
You said JH's tenure. I assume that includes his entire coaching career. I would imaging Andrew Luck, Alex Smith, and Collin Kapernick might have something to say about improvement over their careers. If you don't want to include them, fine.
I would add Wilton Speight. When he was recruited I doubt many people thought he would become a serviceable big 10 QB. Not that he developed into a world-beater. But give him some credit.
November 21st, 2022 at 10:37 AM ^
Tenure is at that institution -- so Michigan.
Career is what you are talking about.
Congrats. You brought up Speight. 1 QB out of the entire track record.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:07 PM ^
post removed after due consideration; response to really dumb hot take might have been merited, but I'm better than this
November 19th, 2022 at 4:14 PM ^
Sic burn brah.
...an 'ol mothers basement joke. 1995 called and wants their ad hominem back.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:34 PM ^
This type of commentary brings out the most desperate of sparty and bucky trolls pretending to care about Michigan. It’s great to be a Michigan Wolverine
November 19th, 2022 at 6:19 PM ^
You’re embarrassing yourself
November 19th, 2022 at 4:46 PM ^
Yeah. Right. JJ made key plays. 4th string RB made a key play. Defense made key plays. Coach decided to kick a FG and trust D. All are because coaches suck. Gimme a break.
November 19th, 2022 at 5:54 PM ^
Right??? We should be at least 15-0 or 16-0 by now.
November 20th, 2022 at 6:55 AM ^
It's Peps fault! Lmao
November 20th, 2022 at 7:13 AM ^
You are a troll.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:42 PM ^
What coaching?
November 19th, 2022 at 3:42 PM ^
Please go back to the Ravens, Matt. JJ has regressed. We need a good QB coach who can also recruit.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:51 PM ^
Matt is not the problem.
The D (and Moody) won this game today,.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:58 PM ^
Ok, a bunch of guys are pulling out this take against, for an 11-0 team. I’ll drop this here, but know that all takes like this are included:
This is nonsense.
1. because the team is 11-0, clearly saved stuff for OSU and looked past Illinois a bit, and dealt with crucial injuries.
2. because the people holding this take don’t actually know what they want the OC to do. If the answer is “don’t run the ball,” might I remind you that it is highly improbable that Harbaugh has hired three consecutive OCs all of whom ran the ball more than he wanted in key situations? Michigan runs a lot because that’s the game Harbaugh wants to play. And there’s logic there, because as we see, Michigan is more effective when it can run successfully. It has been this way since Harbaugh came here. He’s the responsible one. (I called for him to be fired! And then Michigan beat Ohio State and made the playoff!)
3. Because this is just dumb scapegoating and looks particularly absurd this year.
4. Honestly, mature up a bit. This isn’t the end of the world.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:01 PM ^
The reality is that we have a great offense with a fully healthy Corum. But without Corum, we have no solid identity, no big-time playmakers (Edwards is halfway there, but still a downgrade), no one to keep a defense living in fear on every snap. And where is this QB run package we keep hypothesizing about? Barely saw anything.
November 19th, 2022 at 5:14 PM ^
Wait, so our offense isn't as good without our Heisman candidate RB?
November 19th, 2022 at 6:18 PM ^
Please identify the team, other than maybe Alabama in previous years, that could lose their Heisman candidate and still be as good on offense.
November 19th, 2022 at 7:06 PM ^
Well, JJ ran sideways on those.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:13 PM ^
Good post. Perspective!!
November 20th, 2022 at 7:11 AM ^
The arrogance on this board is hilarious. If someone doesn't share my opinion, they are dumb?? Whaa?? 😆
You and many use 11-0 to suggest that anyone questioning coaching must be insane but pretend to not understand context. It's GREAT being 11-0 but what does that get you? The season will be measured by the last games not the first 11. Our HC is 1-6 in the next game and 1-5 in the game after that. That's no bueno. We beat the snot out of 9 awful teams this year. We played one really good team whom we ultimately beat the snot out of but struggled in the first half. The other not awful team we played we should have lost to today was a bad 5-3 team (just to juxtapose the whole record thing)
The team we play next week is not awful, not bad and not ok. They are very good...and also 11-0, at home, and committed to beating us and us alone. The type of team our coach has struggled against. So pretend that 11-0 means "fully vaccinated" if you want but don't trip because some people aren't as confident/ naive as you.
Go Blue!
November 20th, 2022 at 7:24 AM ^
Arrogance? UM has played well against OSU most of Harbaugh's tenure. This team is 11-0. Let us cancel all games and just play one game every year. If that is all matters, why bother. Enjoy the team and all it has done. It will be disappointing to lose against OSU but we should be able to cherish and be confident after a 11-0 start.
November 19th, 2022 at 5:36 PM ^
I think it is worth remembering we really saw very little of JJ last year and most of it was him running. So what has he regressed from? Throwing short dump offs early in the year? This is JJ, we haven’t seen a better version, we just had one in our minds. That is not JJ regressing, it is him being worse than we hoped.
November 20th, 2022 at 7:19 AM ^
Nope. He's regressed within THIS year as a starter. No one's comparing him to last year when he never started and was a freshman. His stats, his impact, confidence and effectiveness have all gone steadily down game after game.
November 20th, 2022 at 7:28 AM ^
We would have been in trouble against IU if not for JJ. Hell, we would have lost this game if not for JJ making key plays. I think the stats is what people look at and big throws. JJ made plays at the right time. We all got too high on him because of cupcake games. Competition stiffened up and suddenly passing game stats is not there. I will take a QB who can make key plays when needed. This kid is just a true sophomore starting for the first year. He can still do well.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:43 PM ^
The players gutted it out and deserved to win this game. The coaches (specifically on offense) did not deserve to win this game.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:48 PM ^
Wut? You cannot credit one without the other. In a nervous game like this, a good coach is fundamental in getting the team in the right mindset.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:43 PM ^
It was a win.
I’m going to go cool my tits now.
Get everyone healthy.
That's my haiku for the week.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:44 PM ^
Just like they drew it up.
They scripted it for maximum drama.
I was never worried…
(…wracking nervous sobs while drinking JD…)
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
On that 3rd down, I thought Harbaugh/McCarthy should have let the clock run down to 3-4 seconds before Moody tries his kick. (Spike the ball to stop it.)
It worked out this time, but Illinois had 2 plays to score after Moody's kick.
NICE JOB TO GET THE WIN GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
Finally we will get to see the 30 plays they’ve been saving for the GAME…. no other plays will be practiced … Corum,Morris,Keegan,Edwards,Schoonmaker will be in the care of the trainers 24/7 !!!
November 19th, 2022 at 4:54 PM ^
Genius how JJ fires high and the WR refuse to put hands on the ball just to lull OSU into stacking the box. Season long set-up.......
November 20th, 2022 at 7:23 AM ^
See what you did there. And love it. But I don't think JJ is in on the gig. I think this is what it looks like when you don't practice something.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
Last year Cade said something after the Nebraska game about how previous Michigan teams he played on would have lost that game. I feel exactly the same way about this one. My entire life as a Michigan fan, Michigan found ways to lose games like these (with the obvious exception of 1997). This team found a way to win. We have now built a culture of winning, where we now win games even when we play like garbage. That is all about that culture and hopefully we now get Corum, Edwards, and Mike Morris back for OSU and we beat them down!!
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
Took the hardest route to the victory but they somehow managed it. Did almost everything they had to do to lose.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
That 3rd and 3 run to Dunlap with a minute left was just about the dumbest damn play call I've ever seen.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:50 PM ^
Yep. Gash redeemed himself though.
November 19th, 2022 at 4:09 PM ^
Challenged only by the third down back-shoulder throw to Johnson at the very end. No chance of a TD on that throw, and if he's tackled inbounds the game might be over. What ... what's even the thinking of that play? Throw it into the end-zone, maybe. But a play-call where the best possible option is that it fails?
November 19th, 2022 at 7:35 PM ^
Just go up, wait until there's 4 seconds left, then spike it.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
Hnngh. Some passing game Qs. Team was *clearly* looking ahead, as we were.
But they made it work. It was an NFL-style win.
And tons of stuff going against us at key places. The crushing Corum injury-fumble took points off the board and our best player off the field. JJ was jittery at times and they needed to coach him to execute do-or-die plays when it mattered. They had to deal with some challenges where the middle of the OL wasn’t dominating and a lot of their best counter plays weren’t available due to injuries and save-for-OSU.
Not a great game, but it’s a W and it was good enough.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:47 PM ^
And we’ll ignore his incompetence for another week I guess
November 19th, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^
Who is the "his" in this post? We were missing our best and 2nd best offensive players. We were missing two starting offensive linemen. Our starting and 2nd string TEs. Probably our best defensive player. After all that, we beat a good team in a hard fought win. Tell me when Michigan has ever done that before the last two years? This is what winning teams do. They win games. Georgia played like garbage against Missouri, but they found a way to win. Ohio State didn't play well against Northwestern, but they found a way to win. We have dominated everyone all year and the first time we don't, people with personality disorders come out of the woodwork to shit on people who got us to 11-0 for the 3rd time in my lifetime. If you can't enjoy this season, this team, and these coaches that is on you, not on this team or these coaches.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:55 PM ^
I feel like that might be a tad excessive, given that we're 11-0.
November 20th, 2022 at 12:26 AM ^
We are 11-0, following a 12-2 season in which we crushed OSU, won the Big Ten and made it to the playoffs. Over the past 2 seasons together, the only team more successful than us in the entire country is Georgia.
I just don’t understand those who are complaining. Given that our roster has significantly less talent (going by recruiting rankings) than teams such as OSU, Tenn, USC, Bama and a few others with worse records, that says something about the overall coaching. I know that some people will never be satisfied, but removing the idiotic Covid year, in his 7 seasons here, Harbaugh has:
- The current undefeated season
- last season’s 12-1 B1G championship, playoff season
- 3 ten win seasons
- a 9 win season, and
- an 8 win season (coming in the dreaded “3rd year” of his tenure in which many coaches have down seasons resulting from the lost recruiting year at the end of the prior coach’s tenure)
And he did all of that playing in the same conference with an OSU team that has been at a 2-decade period of historic program dominance. And with a far less robust NIL program than most other top programs. I’m not sure what people are looking. Short of urban and Saban, there aren’t many coaches with significantly better resumes at their current schools. After wondering I the wilderness of RR and Hoke, I am more than happy with where JH has our program.
November 20th, 2022 at 1:02 AM ^
Keep in mind, a good percentage of the stadium was booing today. 22-2 over the past two seasons up to that point, but booing the team they allegedly support because they were trailing in an absolutely inconsequential game. If Michigan had lost today… they’d still win the national championship by winning the next four games. By winning today… Michigan sets itself up to win the national championship by winning the next four games.
With Tennessee laying an absolute egg at USC (NTUSC), maybe enough dominoes fall for Michigan to lose in Columbus and still win the NC, but that rather slim chance is the only thing that was on the line, and Michigan played like it. Corum was cleared to play and didn’t come back in past the one demonstration snap. Why? Because it was more important to keep him from being injured more seriously than it was to win what was essentially an exhibition game.
Between the boobirds and the foulmouthed, ignorant fifteen year old yelling in my ear all day — don’t worry, his father was nearly as bad, so it’s clear he’s a chip off the old block — I’ve never been so embarrassed to be a Michigan fan. (And, no, kid, when JJ throws a ball that the receiver leaps for and can’t catch, and then the ball goes another 15 yards downfield because it was thrown with Joe Milton-esque zip, he doesn’t “f’in have to catch that.” You go try it.)
November 20th, 2022 at 7:33 AM ^
They were booing because of the awful play calling, questionable situational management and frustration of its ineffectiveness in THIS game.
Similarly this thread is about coaching in THIS game. Why are you talking about last year? LOL.
The Maize Haze is strong.
November 20th, 2022 at 9:15 AM ^
“What have you done for me lately?” Give me a break.
I love hearing about “awful play calling,” too. As nearly as I can tell, an “awful play call” is anything that doesn’t’ score a touchdown. People wouldn’t have complained about the play calling if the players had executed better; the conceit that any random fan could out-coach the staff — 11-0, in case you forgot — is mind-boggling.
All of this on Senior Day, no less. The next time some top recruit goes elsewhere, ask yourself if it’s due to the level of support of some of the “fans.” Who would sign up for this?
November 19th, 2022 at 3:57 PM ^
You’re really annoying.
They’re 11-0. Sometimes you play flat.
They won.
Get bent.
November 19th, 2022 at 3:57 PM ^
Tuff likes Ryan Day - the only coach since the water boy without a winning record against Michigan. It’s tough to be Tuff