...that #1 seed!
no, YOU'RE off topic
...that #1 seed!
Personally I think it would be better the be the #2 seed in the Midwest, rather than the #1 in either the East or West.
Arizona's the one in the West. That's been done for like a month.
We'd be in the East. MSG is a semi-home site for us. The #2 would probably be Villanova. The #3 would probably be Virginia, which is like platonic ideal Ohio State (OSU + a consistent scorer), who we just played today and beat with Scott having his out of body experience. Four I'm seeing there is Cinci, who matches up great for us. I want the East so bad. Especially if Iowa State is sent to the Midwest. DO NOT WANT
I don't care where we get seeded, I want the chance to beat staee for a third time this year.
Let's just take care of business and smash whoever we play tomorrow
Read my diary peeps! BTN Selection Committe Show
I'm Kidding but the committee will not have the bracket done before the end of the games tomorrow. At times I'm sure they've been pretty complete in the past but tomorrow's games have quite a bit riding on them; the committee knows this and will plan accordingly.
And come back to Indy!
Cart before the horse and all that. Just Win the Game!
Villanova takes it if MSU wins the BTT. If either Michigan or Wisconsin wins, that team will get the last 1 spot. And don't look now but Dook is in a dogfight with the wolfpack
Should be a felony
Michigan/Wisconsin and Duke/UVA would be taken over Nova at this point. I dont see any logic that would suggest otherwise.
IMO, the result of our game is too late to matter for the selection show. That being said we could still be the first 2-seed if Duke/UVA meet up tomorrow, as either would have a strong case for a 1-seed.
I don't think Michigan is getting a one seed at all, I'm more interested in which 1 seed Michigan will have in their bracket.
Here. Replace "often" with "just about always," though.
"Even getting the Badgers in the final might not matter, as it could be too late in the day for the committee. It’s the last game before the bracket is put in place and, often, there are too many other moving parts (sites, conference matchups, potential rematches) to consider for the committee to wait for that result.
they probably have all the at-large teams in by now except for 1 or 2. So basically they have the next 6 hours to make their multiple brackets. They also have another 8 hours tomorrow. Maybe in a year like last year when the Championship game didnt matter as much, but this year there is a 1 seed on the line (like 2012), I'm sure they will pay attention.
Obviously you have been given wrong information. Just because the B1G 10 Championship game starts 2.5 hours before CBS's show doesnt mean the committee doesnt conscidere it. They just make more than 1 bracket based on different results. After all, 1 team has to win and 1 team has to lose.
Weirdest spelling of 'consider' ever...
It's all good. Just being an ass.
Oh my dear god.
There's a good chance that the game finishes after the brackets are finalized, which means it literally cannot be considered. This happens. Even if not, there's so many things to shuffle that it usually doesn't factor. They repeat this on essentially every broadcast of the Big Ten final game. It's not as easy as "contingency brackets!!!!!!!111!1"
It's one thing to be completely wrong, as you are. It's another to show so mug contempt toward those who aren't wrong... And without producing any evidence in your favor.
Might want to apologize and moderate the tone slightly. Just a suggestion.
You're incredibly annoying. And weirdly paternalistic.
The Badgers defeated Minnesota in a quarterfinal, rallied to beat Michigan State in a semifinal, and defeated Illinois in the final. However, because the game was played too late to be taken under consideration by theNCAA Tournament selection committee, the Badgers received a #6 seed.
I'm attempting to be polite. Because you look incredibly thick-headed in this thread.
doesn't make it more relevant.
Dave Revsine agreed with Pizza Haus and said there are instances where the B1G championship game is not factored into seeding. No link but he said this on the BTN finale yesterday.
So you are saying the NCAA and people who have worked on the brackets for years know less then couple people calling a game?
I don't think anything is set in stone yet. Even if we win out we could get a #2. A Wisconsin win over moo makes it easier for them to hold a #1 and #2 and put the B1G tourney champ in the #1 with the runner up as #2. If we lose we're not a #1.
every time the announcers mentions sparty's injuries. I am not going to be able to walk by the under 12 timeout
There's no upside to playing MSU.
If we win, well, we should have - we are the top seed.
If we lose, all the "see look at us healthy" talk starts again... And we get to listen to how they won the Big Ten (tournament will conveniently be forgotten).
I can seriously keep doing this all day, people.
Wikipedia: The Badgers defeated Minnesota in a quarterfinal, rallied to beat Michigan State in a semifinal, and defeated Illinois in the final. However, because the game was played too late to be taken under consideration by the NCAA Tournament selection committee, the Badgers received a #6 seed.
I can too. Refer to my post in response to you on page one. The wikipedia article you are referencing is from a game played in 2008. The methods have changed, Sunday is taken into account now.
Holy shit, really? I never thought to consult Wikipedia. It's the new absolute truth! That guy on CBS today from the selection committee should go check that out. He was soooo wrong.
do you think they are the 1 seed?
The argument was if Wisconsin LOST. If they win then they will hold the final #1 for the winner of the Big Ten Tournament.
This is a bit revisionist. Your position was that the brackets were submitted before the B1G championship game ends and so would not be taken into consideration. I agree with your premise that, with Wisconsin losing, it may not matter too much anymore.
my iPad decided it was important for me to reply twice.
Some committee member was interviewed and said they prepare multiple brackets prior to the late Sunday games with all possible outcomes considered. They won't have to change anything because the work will already be done. Sunday's game matters for Michigan's seeding.
Here's a little Wikipedia for you:
"While the selection process starts before the seeding process, the two often overlap; with conference tournaments not finishing until Selection Sunday itself, and only one hour between the end of the last game (usually the Big Ten Tournament championship game) before the brackets are officially unveiled, the committee cannot wait until after all the games are played to start determining the seeds. While nothing is set in stone until after all the games are played and the brackets are established, the committee may have a good idea.."
Now, if you are arguing the game is so late they MIGHT NOT consider it, that's different than the game is so late THEY CAN'T consider it. They may decide that Michigan is a #1 win or lose since the game is so late, but they likely won't.
If the game goes to quadruple overtime, and say Northwestern was in the championship game, they would officially have to wait to make their selection final regardless of the show's airing time.
This is from Wikapedia's section on the selection process. I have no idea where you got your information.
The selection committee's work to seed the teams is just as vital as their work to select the at-large teams. While the selection process starts before the seeding process, the two often overlap; with conference tournaments not finishing until Selection Sunday itself, and only one hour between the end of the last game (usually the Big Ten Tournament championship game) before the brackets are officially unveiled, the committee cannot wait until after all the games are played to start determining the seeds. While nothing is set in stone until after all the games are played and the brackets are established, the committee may have a good idea of where a team is and where they could rise or fall depending on their showing in the later stages of their conference tournament.
Nothing is for sure. As of this point, Lunardi has Michigan in as the #1 seed, but don't take it for granted. Go out there, show you deserve that #1 seed, and fucking run Wisconsin or Michigan State out of the building tomorrow. Put an exclamation point on the season going into the tournament.
Good news boys! According to ESPN's Joe Lanarrdi or whatever his nam is lol. We have now passed Nova for a #1 SEED!!!!!!
LAST MINUTE: One possible complication is the Sunday finish by some of the major conferences. If a team that can only get in the field by winning the championship game does so, the committee must wait and see who would be the last at-large team that would be out. The title game could also affect seeding so there might be a few scenarios laid out and ready to go. The conferences are: Atlantic Coast Conference, Atlantic 10, Big Ten, Southeastern Conference and Sun Belt.
Illogical. Modern news stories all must bow to the authority that is a Wikipedia page from the 2008 tournament.
PizzaHaus - How late is too late to call and order one of your Late Night specials?
I'd like the burger with a peanut butter shake, please.
I don't really see how Dook or UVA could jump us, assuming we win the BTT. Dook is a half seed behind us in bracketmatrix and UVA almost 3/4 of a seed behind. If we win out, we will have beaten higher seeded competition.
Is there really a difference between us being the last 1 seed and the first two seed beyond our sweet 16 matchup?
No. But wouldn't you prefer that sweet 16 matchup to be better?
Some point out that a #1 has never lost their opening game, which can't be said for the #2.
Yes. I can't remember the exact stats but the % of 1 seeds going to the final 4 over the 2s 3s and 4s is a big difference