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Submitted by oriental andrew on January 12th, 2023 at 10:07 AM
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mGrowOld

January 12th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^

I just want it on the record I wanted Warde fired before it was cool.  I wanted him gone when he left Jim on an island after the 2016 OSU debacle and didnt publicly support him after the game was obviously stolen.  I was told Warde was obviously working tirelessly "behind the scenes" and I shouldnt infer he was doing nothing just because it seemed like he was doing nothing.  

I said he should've been fired after he let Beilein walk.  If you remember there were a LOT of warning signs prior to his departure but he did nothing to address them.  Beilein trying his hand in the NBA sure feels a lot like Jim's flirtation with the NFL. 

I said he should've been fired after he let Bakich leave.  First baseball coach worth a shit in 30 years, puts Michigan on the baseball map and instead of locking him up contractually we let him go without a fight.  Another fuck up for Mr do-nothing.  Anybody else noticing a pattern here under Warde's "leadership?"   I cant help but wonder if coach Beilein & Bakich were running from something, not too something and maybe Jim's about to run from that same thing too.

And lastly I said he should've been fired for not telling the NCAA to stick their cheeseburger investigation up their ass.  If I had been the AD I would've had a VERY public presser last Friday in which i would've asked why the NCAA is looking the other way with Arizona, LSU, Kansas and the diploma factory in North Carolina.  I would ask why it's ok for Texas to spend 180 thousand fucking dollars to recruit a QB but it's not ok for Michigan to spend 8 bucks on a couple of burgers.  I would've loudly called out the blatant selective enforcement of their so-called rules.  And my guess is Harbaugh was looking for that support as well.  

But instead Warde is using that investigation against Jim in the negotiations?????  Are you fucking kidding me?  If Santa doesnt fire that useless, worthless, lazy, cowardly piece of shit AD now, after all he's fucked up in the past, I'm not sure he'll ever be let go.   And for that reason alone I dont blame Harbaugh one bit if he leaves us for the NFL.  

Swayze Howell Sheen

January 12th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^

I think if the things you think are true, then he should be fired. However, I don't know if they are true. For example, let's look at this one point alone: "Warde is using that investigation against Jim in the negotiations"

If this is true, fire Warde. This would be beyond dumb, and would drive a good coach away.

But, do we know it to be true, for sure?

 

mGrowOld

January 12th, 2023 at 10:54 AM ^

Nope, we dont know if that's true.  But we do know these are true:

1. Stay silent after 2016 OSU game and didnt support Harbaugh publicy

2. Lost Beilein 

3. Lost Bakich

4. Botched Pearson termination (I forgot that one in my original post)

5. Favorite son football HC is now considering leaving for the 2nd time in two years despite the most successful two year record in recent history

6. Stayed silent on blatant hypocracy of current NCAA investigation

So yeah, even if that one is complete bullshit, the rest is pretty damn bad.

umfan83

January 12th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^

Maybe Warde could have done more to keep Beilein.  All I know is that its not like JB is at another NCAA job after failing in the NBA.  I do really think he was sick of the NCAA bs and made a decision to chase after the NBA before he got too old.  Perhaps he could have been talked into staying but I'm not sure.

ThisGuyFawkes

January 12th, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^

Yes -- we're pissing away the best two years in program history and it's entirely Warde's fault. Gimme a fucking break. He may have some fault to take, but it all starts and ends with James Joseph Harbaugh. His waffling on the program, the uncertainty that fermented within his coaching staff are reasons 1-98 as to why the program's momentum is not where we all expect it to be after two PHENOMENAL seasons on the field

ThisGuyFawkes

January 12th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^

Let me start by saying we agree 100% that Jim deserves a ton of credit (i.e. reasons 1-98) for the phenomenal on field success. But by the same token, I think he deserves some of the responsibility for the departures of both coordinators. With Gattis, I think Harbaugh being very close to accepting another job with no communication / plan for Gattis may have been a contributing factor (hard to say, as I claim no inside knowledge). As for MacDonald - I think the blame is even more clear, as Harbaugh hired him knowing that his likely long term destination was in the NFL as a DC - it may have happened faster than expected, but he chose to make the hire knowing the risks.

Now, with all that said --- I think Michigan will be better in the long-run for both of those moves, as Gattis star has clearly fallen and I think Minter is a great DC (and perhaps a better defensive play caller at the college level). But the real problem we're talking about is recruiting and while you could argue the long term play-calling, player development will be a positive impact -- the immediate and gigantic negative impact is on recruiting -- thus, for all the credit he deserves for the on field success, I feel like Jim is equally responsible for the lackluster recruiting results.

gary3

January 12th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^

Appreciate your comments. Regarding MacDonald: do we really blame that as a fault for Harbaugh? He made an elite hire who immediately fielded a top 5 defense that accomplished all the goals we'd been waiting decades for (beating OSU and winning the Big Ten). that same DC just fielded a top 3 unit in the NFL

To that end, I don't see it as a failure of Jim to lose MacDonald

Wendyk5

January 12th, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^

People absolutely quit jobs and for reasons other than, "I'm pissed that I'm not getting paid enough money." People quit jobs for jobs in different fields, and that's how I look at Beilein's departure. If he had gone to Indiana or Purdue then different story. But to think that Warde has so much power that he could convince Beilein not to pursue an NBA job feels like you're trying to pad your argument by manipulating the facts of what happened. Ditto Bakich. Baseball is not important to most MIchigan sports fans. If you look at Facebook, Michigan baseball posts get around 30 likes. On here, when someone posts about baseball, you get the same 20 people commenting, unless we're in the playoffs and the interest increases. I think a coach like Bakich wanted more than Michigan could ever offer and I'm not talking money or even facilities. I'm talking weather, recruits, fans, engagement. 

HateSparty

January 12th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

That is crap.  Warde is deserving of scrutiny to include consideration of firing.  He is given blind support on here as he is a Michigan Man, hired a legend as basketball coach and has cleaned up a program that any adequate AD would clean up.  He has done really nothing significant to warrant the level of protection some give him. 

MaizeBlueA2

January 12th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^

Beilein literally just said a month ago that leaving Michigan was a "mistake" and there was nothing Michigan could've done to keep him, he was fed up with the roster turnover and the direction college basketball was headed.

Yet, some of you still try to pin it on Warde.

I swear, ya'll will say anything to justify hating on someone when you want to.

...if this investigation came out after the 2020 season, the tone around here would be SOOOOOOO much different. It could be the exact same dumb ass cheeseburger circumstantial bullshit. But some how it's Warde's fault, lol.

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Tell me, MGrowOld, in what world does it help to antagonize the inept authority/decision makers by telling them to, "stick their cheeseburger investigation up their ass."  How does that help anything other than make some wannabe hard ass feel better?  You think the NCAA is going to be like, "damn Warde, you're right! This investigation is closed."  Poor, weak-minded leaders act solely on emotion.

So this is the kind of BULLSHIT that I'VE been saying before it was cool... you want to fire Harbaugh? Okay, who you getting that's better? ("uuhh, duh, how about Matt Campbell?" - FOH)  You want to blame the AD for not going scorched earth every time something goes wrong?  Okay, show me examples of where that has worked.  You want better NIL, #1 prove to me that it equates to wins and #2...show me examples of successful NIL programs that Michigan should be emulating.

I called Manuel a B+ the day he was hired. And that's exactly what he's been.

He's not to blame for Beilein. Like it or not, he handled the 2020 Harbaugh thing well by keeping him and reducing the contract and not paying millions of dollars to football coaches in the middle of a pandemic while furloughing and laying people off. The Mel thing is tricky...there were pressures outside the control of any AD in the country with that one.

Bakich? That's on Warde, he fucked up. No if, ands, or buts.  Pay the man, no excuses, he messed that up.

NIL has gotten overblown unless you feel Michigan should be okay breaking the rules...if that is case, Warde is failing miserably.  If not, Michigan is just being Michigan.

Warde did get MSU/OSU off the same year (thanks, Dave Brandon). Which leads to the "other" MSU thing...this is where I have firsthand knowledge. Warde is not a bang your fists on the table guy (for better and for worse). And that assault thing was ABSOLUTELY the best time to have Warde, because his style is what didn't ruffle feathers in the league office.

You can't have two Jim Harbaugh's. Michigan would be the most-hated, the B1G would not be our ally. We were HATED in the conference office before Warde...and he still pisses people off there, but he does it behind the scenes and he's built up equity that he can do it without a lasting impact.

 

Small example, something very few know.  Did you know that after the Michigan high school shooting that Michigan was originally told "no" to wearing patches and honoring the young man who was senselessly killed (my apologies, I cannot recall his name in the middle of my rant).  Warde literally said, "we're doing it, if you want to fine us...call a penalty on us...etc., on national TV, go for it. We don't care if your rule says schools can't wear special patches during conference championship games...exceptions will need to be made."  And that morning of the game, the B1G changed its policy (which was in place because they want to control EVERYTHING and they saw it as a "can of worms" type of situation, which it wasn't...and if it was, who cares?)

Does that mean he's a good AD? Fuck no.  Does that mean that he does a lot of stuff that we don't know about?  Absolutely.  It's just who he is...he's not going to do anything publicly, it's not how he operates.  Some ADs would've tweeted it out and made the public pressure the conference offense...Warde doesn't lead like that.  For better, for worse.

If you want an AD who doesn't shut up, go root for Tennessee. There's nothing Danny White loves more than Danny White.  Or Texas A&M and Ross Bjork.  You'll never get it from Warde Manuel.  Doesn't make him a useless, worthless, lazy, cowardly piece of shit.

Just makes you lazy and cowardly for not doing even a LITTLE background before forming an opinion on something that you know nothing about.

mGrowOld

January 12th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^

Well we found Warde's burner account.

And I 100% stand by what I wrote.  He's (you're?) a coward that's more worried about getting the good table at the B1G AD summer cottilian than he is sticking up for Michigan lest he ruffle some of his peers feathers.  And while I personally have wanted him (you?) gone for the past seven years if he manages to fuck this up and lose Harbaugh over his insistince on following NIL "rules" that dont actually exist yet on top of everything else then all his other coaching fuck-ups will pale in comparison.

AWAS

January 12th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^

There is exactly a zero point zero chance the rest of the membership will allow someone with Michigan ties to lead the B1G.  

I really don't understand the distaste for Warde.  I feel like Michigan Athletics are in a better place today than they have ever been--in a far more complex world than Don Canham had to navigate.  I guess his low-key, below the radar style isn't really fit for the Interwebz era.

1VaBlue1

January 12th, 2023 at 10:30 AM ^

I completely agree with most of what you said - the guy is one of the better AD's we've had from an administrative standpoint.  And from that view, I imagine it's incredibly difficult for his boss (Ono) to consider removing him.

My problem, indeed everyone's problem, with Warde is that he does not support his coaches when they need it most.  Maybe he does behind the scenes?  But there are times when that support has to be public, and sometimes it has to be full-throated.  2016 OSU, 2018 OSU AD shots, Howard's fiasco at UW, current NCAA BS, The Tunnel, and others less egregious but still worthy of some support.  Remining silent on these major media flaps is the definition of not supporting your coaches and their programs.  Actively engaging to ensure your coach is the only one that apologizes is the very definition of blaming your coach for the issues.

Warde is a worthy administrator, but he is not a good leader.

AWAS

January 12th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^

It seems what many want is a vocal advocate in the AD office.  I'd suggest that firing Warde is a poor solution rooted in today's cancel culture, and a better solution would be to add a consigliere to the AD's office to do the public advocacy work (and private dirty work).  Keep the good qualities you have, and shore up the weaknesses.

EDIT TO ADD:  Another solution is to have Santa Ono tell Warde he has permission and is expected to be a more vocal defender of UM athletics, and assure him that he has full leadership backing to do so (something we all agree would never happen under MSC or Schlissel).

JacquesStrappe

January 12th, 2023 at 12:35 PM ^

This is the correct answer. Ultimately, Warde answers to the President and the Regents. To the extent he has not been a vocal defender of our coaches or an advocate of aggressive retention packages for coaches this may reflect behind-the-scenes politics above his pay grade and preferences by his superiors. We really don’t know know either way but I have a hard time believing that Warde as a former player, alum, and teammate of Harbaugh doesn’t feel strongly about the programs. He may simply be hemmed in.

trueblueintexas

January 12th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^

You're right, Warde should write more letters to the B1G office just like Illinois' AD does. Then we would respect Warde as much as we do Illinois' AD!!! 

Have we all forgotten so easily the stick up the ass the B1G kept giving Michigan because Brandon was so hated by everyone they screwed Michigan over on almost every schedule decision. 

If you really want a bombastic AD who is constantly in the news calling out every egregious slight Michigan has received, then don't complain when the rest of the conference says FU and it starts impacting the team's schedule and other decisions which directly impact Michigan's ability to compete fairly. 

I'mTheStig

January 12th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

I really don't understand the distaste for Warde.

Go read MGrowOld's January 12th, 2023 at 10:29 AM post just a bit above yours.

I guess his low-key, below the radar style isn't really fit for the Interwebz era.

It's not that.  

We definitely want a smart, level headed, person in that role that is a great ambassador of the University overall.

BUT...

There is nothing wrong with occasionally sticking up for your people and your org.  It's okay to occasionally be direct in public.  It's okay to tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves over this current investigation.

Low-key is one thing.  Being an absentee leader in a high profile and partially public facing position is quite another.

MaizeBlueA2

January 12th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^

It's okay to tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves over this current investigation.

How does this help? I'm being serious. The NCAA hasn't leveled any penalties, they haven't done anything to this point.  Why would you put your finger in their eye right now when you're powerless and they have the full capability to be petty and throw the book at you?

It's SO EASY for people behind keyboards to suggest this...it's been said a few times in this thread alone.  But how does it help? (other than just making you feel better in the moment)

How is that leadership?

There are ways to stick up for your program without being antagonizing.