I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Submitted by Sambojangles on
I'm not going to add anything substantiative to the hundreds of other blog posts on the subject of RR or the alleged NCAA violations. This is just a rant. Sorry. I like to torture myself by reading the comment sections of articles about Michigan on ESPN.com, the Daily, and (sorry) even the Freep. I don't really understand why I do it, because all it does is get me angry. People who claim to be Michigan fans constantly call for RR to be fired, and only parrot the views of people in the MSM, with uninformed and stupid opinions. The one that set me off today (paraphrased): "RR needs to be fired...he's run this program into the ground...we need a Michigan Man...From a disappointed Maize and blue faithful." I used to think MGoBlog was just a fun way to learn a little more about the team, and football in general. Now, I know that it is more important than that. It should be required reading for anyone who wants to know anything about Michigan football. From Brian's dismantling of the Freep's "investigation" to Misopogon's research explaining the problems with the defense, the information here is vital to having an informed opinion. People don't have to read everything that goes through the MGoBoard, the diaries, and the posts, but a cursory glance every once in a while would help people reduce their ignorance. It pains me to put it this way, but I want everyone who thinks Rodriguez should be fired, to shut up. If you don't know all the facts, please don't speak out of your ass. You may be well-intentioned, but don't give me b.s. about being a maize and blue faithful when all you've done is read the bottom line on ESPN and listened to Valenti, Foster, or Drew Sharp. It's unfair for you to attack our program for things that are not their fault/responsibility. It looks especially bad for fans of other teams. I don't want to sound like I'm trying to denigrate all who disagree with me. Just those who are straight out, objectively wrong in their thinking. Listen to Brian Cook, and you'll be a lot smarter.

scottcha

February 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 PM ^

Now, I know that it is more important than that. It should be required reading for anyone who wants to know anything about Michigan football.
We all know that, go out and spread the good word to those who don't. That said, I completely agree with your sentiment (although I think I snapped and came to this conclusion a long time ago). It'd be cool if we could hear some informed, well-researched opinions in mainstream media because the parroted views you speak of are just meaningless noise. The thing about noise though, is as soon as you get used to it, you can start to ignore it.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 PM ^

It pains me to put it this way, but I want everyone who thinks Rodriguez should be fired, to shut up. If you don't know all the facts, please don't speak out of your ass. You may be well-intentioned, but don't give me b.s. about being a maize and blue faithful when all you've done is read the bottom line on ESPN and listened to Valenti, Foster, or Drew Sharp.
To assume that every nay-sayer only reads from the sources you have listed is pretty ignorant on your own part, tbh. MGoBlog is not THE voice on UM football, it has its drawbacks just as any of the people/sites you listed. Don't become so short sighted that you automatically disregard other sources just because you don't want to hear bad news.

turbo cool

February 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 PM ^

ehh, Irish go play in the street for now. Yes, mgoblog is the most credible and reliable voice for any information regarding Michigan athletics. There is no ONE voice for UofM football (goddamnit, last time people it's UofM not UM) and it's extremely short sighted of you to imply that we disregard all other sources because we don't want to hear the bad news. This just happens to be where the best information is located. The Freep has proven to be completely biased since RR has taken over and until Drew Sharp & Rosenberg 2.0 arrives in South Bend I'm not sure you'll realize how frustrating it is for your local reporters to go out of their way to criminalize your beloved program for violations that are not only commonplace on every campus but to also exaggerate and lie to the national media (ESPN, in particular) about the outcome of their self-styled professional "triumph".

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 PM ^

Mgoblog is strongly pro-RR, which isn't a bad thing, but can be a drawback and can detract from its reliability. I wasn't implying that everyone disregards those news sources, only speaking to the OP. Don't try to lecture me on bad press, especially when 90% of it is coming from what are basically statewide newspapers. Oh boo hoo, Sharp and Rosenberg are giving UM the short end of the stick? You guys are acting like RR is some martyr because of 2(!!!!) writers. Do you have any idea what actual national media can do to your program? Seriously your not the only team in the country that has less than favorable things written about them

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 PM ^

Not really referring to Brian at all, but to the board in general. I think of MgoBlog as more than just Brian, maybe I am alone in that, but its the entire community really. So its not necessarily on a case of "operates on a bias for RR" but the tone of the message board that I made my comments on. Taking a step back and looking at it, it seems pretty obvious to me. If you need some proof just go start a thread under a new user name, type in something about how RR isn't right for UM, or whatever you want and just watch the voting.

HermosaBlue

February 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 PM ^

Irish, I agree, in a limited fashion. I think many (most) of the participants in the MGoBlog community are pro-RR. At the very least, they're anti-knee-jerk-down-in-front-it-was-better-when-Bo-Mo-Llo-ran-the-show. The simple truth of the matter, is that we are increasingly invested in debunking the glaring ineptitude of the MSM, and the outright hostility of the Detroit Free Enquirer (err...Press). We'd like to think we're pro-rationality, and perhaps at one point in time we were, but at this point we're mostly on one side of a very nasty, very public fight for the soul of the athletic department. Rosenberg and Snyder didn't find this issue on their own. They're the mouthpiece for one side of the battle. They lie, they distort, they abuse freshmen for their own ends, they punch dolphins. The fact is, they are the public face of an agenda to discredit the AD, RR, and the modernization of Michigan football (and Michigan Stadium, for that matter). A lot of people, fans of other schools, tell me Michigan lives in the past. I'm sure ND fans can relate - wins, historical dominance, national championships, iconic stadiums - all plays well to our fanbases and our consciences, but it doesn't get it done in the modern era. We compete against schools with larger/better local talent bases, dubious ethics, free-flowing cash and Range Rovers, personal seat licenses and luxury boxes. Bill Martin's hiring of RR and modernizing of Michigan Stadium (both economically with seat licenses and premium seating and physically with luxury boxes and functional enhancements) are efforts to drag a program with a proud history into the 21st century, kicking and screaming. Screaming. A lot. The louder the cacophony of idiocy, the louder we feel the need to scream our response. To that end, the MGoBlog community has steadily migrated to the pro-RR camp, it seems, because it's a natural reaction against the lunacy so prevalent on the other side - the jump to conclusions, the race to condemn RR, the lack of family values, all of it short on evidence but long on screeching hysterics and half-truths. Has RR performed as well as we'd like? Clearly not. But any Michigan fan who's not in total denial should be able to admit that the decline started long before RR arrived in Ann Arbor. The issues have certainly come to a head during his tenure, but that doesn't mean we should all resort to all-capping UNACCEPTABLE! when we don't win 11 games with a noodle-armed walk-on QB who didn't make all-conference in high school, even if, once again, THIS IS MICHIGAN! It's just fucking exhausting having a continual battle with dimwits, halfwits and fuckwits who know nothing more than what they heard from Valenti, Snyder, Rosenberg, Sharp, or any other painfully lazy journo who did little more than parrot the same old fucking nonsense. As a result, we occasionally overreact against someone who makes reasonable arguments against RR, if for no other reason than this: the overwhelming majority of the anti-RR arguments are anything but reasonable. So, please, forgive us if we're a little battle-weary and overreactive. This fight has been going on for a long time.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 PM ^

I appreciate your comments, I fully understand where your coming from and where most everyone else is as well. There are a lot of similarities with your comments with ones I made to ND posters about 8 months ago, just have to change some names around. There is nothing that needs to be forgiven, though

aaamichfan

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 PM ^

go play in the street. I would take "less than favorable" national media treatment over sensationalized half-truths from the local media any day. Especially when the half-truths spark an NCAA investigation that is picked up by every national media outlet. If Notre Dame fans had acted more like Mgobloggers and formed a unified front, the national media wouldn't have had such an impact on the program.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 PM ^

I was actually understating that "less than favorable" quite a bit... ND fans are something special, not sure if there is a more complaint ridden group of posters on a given messageboard most of the time, but we're unified when it counts, normally. Also UM fans are not all as pro-RR as Mgoblog posters largely are but I that's not really a complaint or anything.

ATrain32

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 PM ^

Interesting take. Not sure I see the polarity between having an opinion and sacrificing reliability though. Why can't you be both reliable and have opinions? I think Brian has both. As far as the local/state coverage, I guarantee you the AJC would never go after the Dawgs or Tech the way the Freep has gone after M. Certainly never see that sort of thing in Alabama either. The Dispatch seems to support the Buckeyes in the ways that matter. The key point is that most local media actually work with the teams in the area rather than tear them down. How does it make sense that the local/statewide media would trash Michigan? Does it make any sense that supposed journalists cover MSU and M differently? It's not the right thing to do is the point. PS... in answer to your 2 guys statement: Sharp, Snyder, Rosenberg, Birkett .. those are four names just off the top of my head.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 PM ^

I am not saying you can't be both reliable and have an opinion, but when a group of people trend too far to one extreme they can lose sight of what is actually going on around them; and that can be a drawback. Why would they "trash Michigan?", thats easy, its all about money. Selling papers, selling ads, making money, its just that easy. Nothing gets page views like angry rebuttals from fans and the inevitable celebration from a rival. Think about it, you can write a positive article about a team and get their fans to read it and maybe a few rivals. Or you can write a negative article, still get the majority of the teams fans to read it (because Oh no what happened?!!?!?) and get every rival in there to gloat along with them; if you add a comments section then the page views will really go up. Once you can just accept that stupid people are going to happen, you'll find its much easier to get over, ignore and disregard entirely. You can either let it bother you, or not, the 2nd option is much easier to deal with.

Michael

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 PM ^

A few things: 1) What is the alternative to being "pro-RR," as you put it? Anti-RR? Pro-someone else? That just doesn't make sense. 2) You are mischaracterizing what this blog is about, which is the evaluation of Michigan athletics based on facts and reason. Brian's support of RR is based on his PROVEN RECORD, among many other things. 3) Our beef with the Free Press is that it has repeatedly committed journalistic malpractice on a number of levels, the ignorance of fact being but just one. Nobody (of any intelligence) can dispute that. You mean to tell me that, looking at these allegations, we are unique in the NCAA? Please.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 PM ^

1) I would describe most of them as disgruntled, unhappy and willing to fall either way on RR on a weekly basis. Some have gone Anti-RR, yes. 2) Everyone values different qualities and is willing to give more or less on their evaluation of someone. I would understand anyone citing RR's all time proven record (113-78-2) as reason to just wait out the down seasons for UM, but I also understand those ready for a change when they cite his 8-16 overall record at UM, with only 3 wins in the Big Ten. Its all based on your frame of thought. 3) I have read many of the Freep's articles and I understand the anger, I understand the animosity. Is it "fair" that half of MSU's team goes blitzkrieg on a campus dorm and gets largely overlooked while UM and RR get the magnifying glass treatment on anything that can be misconstrued, no its not. So? should the newspaper police go arrest Rosenberg? I mean come on, does complaining about it actually make you feel better, because it never makes me feel better at the end of the day.

Michael

February 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 PM ^

1) I'm not sure you and I disagree all that much on this point - we both seem to be equally confused. 2) It is more than just RR's record that gains him support in these parts. I can't speak for everyone on this board, but I can tell you that Michigan was becoming irrelevant because we were simply not athletic enough to compete for national championships in the BCS era. Even in our best season in the BCS era, 2006, we were still embarrassed in the Rose Bowl by a USC team that just flat out beat us physically. The foundation of Rich Rodriguez's program is athleticism - getting better athletes matched up in space, on defense and offense. Anyone who has been following our recruiting under RR will tell you that we are recruiting athletes who can, and I believe will, compete with the best teams in the country once they get experience. This was not the sentiment during the waning years of Carr. This is not an issue of "frame of thought.;" it is an issue of whether or not you have an understanding of the reality of Michigan football over the past six years. The people who are "anti-RR" do not seem to understand the situation we were in PRIOR to RR, nor do they seem to understand the situation we are in now. It is not RR's fault that we had like 20 scholarship players on defense last season. It is not his fault that we will be starting at least one freshman in our secondary this year. These facts get ignored. 3) This issue might perhaps differ among those of us who are Michigan graduates and those of us who are just fans; I'm still not sure on this one. Speaking as a Michigan graduate, I am primarily concerned with the reputation of my school and not the wins and losses of the football team. If there were truly issues which legitimately affect our reputation as an academic institution - the mistreatment of student-athletes, paying players, basically your USC stuff - then I would be gravely concerned. Rather, what we have been faced with is a press bent on the destruction of RR for really minor things which are (very) likely done by EVERY OTHER SCHOOL, but in many cases more egregiously. You mean to tell me Michigan is somehow treating its athletes worse than most schools in the country? Perhaps that is where the bias comes in, but I believe it is legitimate. We have never been hit with major violations and if this is the manner in which we receive them, then that is a grave injustice. This isn't about what may or may not be going on at MSU, OSU, or USC. We simply point out the huge double standard because the implications of this double standard are substantial and, frankly, absurd.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 PM ^

1) ok 2) For whatever reasons that lead to the coaching change, it means nothing now. I don't know how many people ever actually understand everything going into a coaching change. Whether its right or wrong people make their decision over some pretty stupid reasons sometimes. 3) I don't really view it as the mistreating of its athletes at all, much more along the lines of gaining an advantage. The NCAA uses the practice guidelines to ensure that players are not being mistreated but I do not believe for a moment that RR or the staff was mistreating the players. From a Rival's point of view, the investigation is viewed as UM trying to get around the NCAA rules. I fully agree that there is a double standard for UM. ND was roasted by the national media whenever they could for the past 5 years. To see UM fans cry fowl when the focus is shifted, whether its justified or not, is hard to sympathize.

Michael

February 24th, 2010 at 1:10 AM ^

2) that doesn't really refute my argument at all. 3) I wasn't asking how YOU view this, I was simply stating the position of many people on this board; it was us whom you were initially indicting. Simply put, if you think that an extra 20 minutes - 2 hours per week are a competitive advantage then you are admitting two things, both of which I believe to be false: a) That this extra time translates into some kind of advantage; b) that Michigan is the only school to violate this rule in the 20m-2h time period IN THE NATION Finally, I have yet to point out that these "excess" time periods have not been identified as extra practice time, but are mostly things like stretching and QC staff advising players on technique outside of a practice situation. This would be something like seeing a player in the film room, a voluntary appearance, and saying "hey dude, you probably should back-pedal this way." Since Carr's staff never had such people roaming the hallways, it is conceivable that this had something to do with the obvious breakdown in communication.

Irish

February 24th, 2010 at 9:49 AM ^

2) didn't know I was refuting it 3) I am not really willing to make that leap with you, I haven't seen a single post (other than yours) that includes any concern for the players. All anyone seems concerned with is what penalties are going to be handed down. I don't know if you actually read the NCAA's letter but how has it been identified as "mostly stretching"? Every workout I was ever a part of included a stretching period before and after the actual training session, ND does the exact same thing and I am almost positive UM does as well. So if you actually think about it, it isn't "mostly stretching" because stretching is always a part of a workout, the overage it is actually running drills, training and installing the playbook when compared to other schools. I really don't want to get into the actual allegations here, this isn't the thread to do it in and it isn't exactly a stable time to do it either.

ATrain32

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 PM ^

Wait a sec! You think MGoblog has 'drawbacks just as any of the people/sites you (the OP) listed.' Really? Is this like saying no one's perfect and we all have faults so everyone has value? I think people just need to make up their minds how they want to spend their time and recognize different sites for what they are/want to be. But this site has pretty well documented the 'walk of shame' of the local printed press in its biased/unfair coverage of M football and RR in particular. I don't think Brian has ever claimed to be the voice of M football. Rather he and others here are highly enthusiastic about wolverines football. Blogs are supposed to have a slant or opinion. It's a natural development because all of the heuristics, analysis and percolating thoughts that represent a body of work that is heavily weighted with facts and vigorous exploration of ideas. The problem with the printed press and by extension some media based websites is that they are more interested in 'hits' and making money than any pursuit of deeper understanding or truth. The bottom line is simply that most of the sites the OP listed are trying to achieve a vastly different effect than MGoblog. I hope the Irish never get a taste of local press bitter vitriol like M has. It's been very unpleasant. It's not about 'hearing bad news'. It's about hearing unfair representations of a University and team you care about. It's about so called writer's pursuing personal vendettas that dash any sense of journalistic credibility in local news sources covering the team you follow. It's about shock jocks that don't care as long as people get riled up and tune in. This isn't news reporting. Brian is pretty up front about his biases and is not afraid to bring a critical eye to the program, game or coach. Therein lies the huge difference. He's also willing to see the good too.

Irish

February 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 PM ^

I agree with pretty much everything you posted for the most part. ND doesn't really have to worry so much about the local reporters. Sometimes the Chicago Tribune will get douchey but its the national media who does the Freep impersonations at ND. Again I am not referring Brian, but actually the general tone of the posters here on MgoBlog.

WojoRisin

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 PM ^

Who is this Brian Cook you speak of? I was under the impression this is blog is "just an example of Michigan fans 'circling the wagons" and is run by "the Google master from the MGoBlog". At least that's what the Mitch Albom tells me...

The program

February 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 PM ^

The practice time issue is a joke 20 min over for a week and 30 min over for a day if the NCAA does anything because of this I will lose any respect I have for them. However, the quality control staff issue might get Michigan on probation and in all honesty it would be justified

Zone Left

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

So you'd lose respect for the NCAA if it follows its rules? If this was OSU, how many of us would look at OSU as trying to gain an unfair advantage and think they deserved to get fried? I wouldn't, but many would. Michigan will self-impose some relatively minor penalties and move on--nothing that exciting happened today.

jam706

February 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 PM ^

If this was OSU, I would laugh, make a quip about not being surprised, and forget about it until the next time they screwed up. This would be based solely on something I see on espn.com or some other national sports website, and I would do no further investigating, because I don't actually care that much if it's completely true. This is what most non-UM sports fans will do, and there's not much we can do to change that. I'm more upset by UM fans who don't bother to check any facts

lbpeley

February 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 PM ^

I'm not sure it's so much "pro RR" as it is pro common sense. If after a sufficient amount of time for the players to completely grasp the system and recruiting classes to build up the (supposedly depleted) talent pool RR still isn't winning a "sufficient" amount of games then I'll entertain any fire RR views out there. Dumbasses that rant and rave about unacceptable this or that without taking into account the extent of this rebuilding project have no place in a serious discussion about UofM football. There is no doubt he's been very successful at the previous stops in his coaching career. All most pro RR people are saying is give the guy a sufficient amount of time to get his system in place and then make a judgement on his worth. In my opinion 3 years is not enough. After 4 or 5 years it would be my epinion we should be seeing some dominant shit going on. If not, then let's start forgiving Harbaugh and maybe see what he can do for UofM.