Had to do it: Watch Austin White magically transform into guy MSU doesn't want:
Told you it would happen:
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/duffy-daugherty-msu-football-recr…
Watch Austin White turn from "stud 5-star running back who will likely beat out both Edwin Baker and Larry Caper once he arrives on campus" on page one to "too tall and skinny and slow to be a Big Ten RB" and "not a compact runner like Nick Hill" on about page ten or so.
Also, some poster points out that White's entire family is composed of Sparties, it is in no way similar to the Justin Boren situation.
It's bumbling idiots like these that make me root for Devin Gardner to get his 5th star even though he's an A+ recruit for RichRod's offense anyway.
I'm seriously tired of all my loser MSU friends/colleagues and their recruiting nonsense. One win over UM and Sparty is suddenly a B10 power ... the ignorance and general tomfoolery most MSU fans display is ridiculous.
I'd like to keep a level head about this, but I sincerely have to say FYS.
Agreed. I want to beat MSU almost as bad as I want us to beat OSU. I can't stand Spartan fans. We wouldn't be acting like this if we beat them in one basketball game.
Little brother just has some irrational exuberance. They finally get to celebrate a win over UM. These victories are few and far between and it will remain that way. The sun shines on every dog's butt once in awhile.
Couldn't have written it better myself. Every MSU fan predicted a bad season for michigan because of the "transition year" and then when it actually happens:
"OMG OMG MICHIGAN'S PROGRAM IS SPIRALING DOWN!! DANTONIO WILL WIN 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS THE NEXT 5 SEASONS AND MICHIGAN WON'T EVEN HAVE A TEAM IN 10 YEARS!!!!"
I am begging Michigan to please please please beat msu, not because I care about the red-headed step child school in East Lansing, but just so that I do not have to listen to the idiotic MSU students display why they attend the worst school in the big10
6 National Championships in 5 Season = +1 to the post above.
The logic of Sparty fans astounds me.
I believe most MSU fans are more excited that the program has obtained some consistency and toughness. The win over UM, while much-needed, was far less important than 9 wins, playing for the Big Ten championship against PSU, and another bowl game.
Beating UM last year was important for several reasons: 1) stopping the longest losing streak in the series since the days of Bo. 2) Not losing to bad teams (beating the teams we should). The wins over Iowa and Wisconsin were arguably more important; MSU made the necessary plays to win in pressure situations.
No rational fan is going to claim that MSU is a new dynasty, but they will continue to be relevant in the B10 discussion.
As far as recruiting, UM will continue to pull in highly-ranked recruits. Nothing has changed there. MSU has simply improved in comparison to their past performance. Again, no rational fan is going to claim that MSU's recruiting > UM's recruiting, but MSU has begun to establish an identity.
As far as ignorance, I've seen multiple people here claiming that "MSU only beats us once a decade"... but I'll refrain from making sweeping generalizations.
I agree for the most part, though I think MSU's excitement over Dantonio might be a little premature. He has recruited well, but last year's record was misleading--MSU was actually outgained on the season (343 avg yards gained per game, 355 avg yards allowed). This is very rare for a 9-4 team, and points to some odd occurrences accounting for wins (though turnovers are not much of a cause; MSU was only +2).
My hunch is that Dantonio will build consistent defenses there and be a solid Big 10 player, but there is not yet the evidence of this that the average MSU fan would have you believe. Of course, the evidence for RR's success at Michigan is not there either, so all is speculation thus far.
At any rate, thanks for the rational and logical post--please keep posting!
"No rational fan is going to claim that MSU is a new dynasty, but they will continue to be relevant in the B10 discussion."
Most fans aren't rational.
I was visiting a female friend recently. Her family is all Sparty. She's going there this fall. Anyways, her entire basement is made up of Spartan and Detroit sports memorabila. Well, she points out this picture and proudly proclaims "and this is me and my family in the Big House after we beat Michigan." To this, I responded, "Yeah, I'd put up pictures of every time Michigan beat State if I had a wall big enough to fit them all."
"tomfoolery" +1
I guess I never realized how not good MSU actually was last year until I read this year's Hail to the Victors. I think we're gonna take them this year, how sweet that would be.
for schadenfreude!
The thread is locked and it looks like access to the last page (12) has been blocked as well. hehe
Wow, fancy forums. They can set it so pages of embarrassing content just disappears!
Just out of curiousity, is this sort of like how Nick Hill went from the 2nd coming of Mike Hart and a true Michigan man who adored the school to "We don't want him, LOL ALL MAC OFFERS" while Austin White went from "Punk with an enormous ego and numerous attitude problems" to "Best RB in the state"?
I'm just curious.
I'm not saying that either of the two things about Hill are true, or that either of the things about White are true - they probably aren't, because we on the internet tend to be pretty dim and accepting of everything positive while dismissive of everything negative.
I'm not sure how Hill fits in this conversation. Hill never earned a Michigan offer, so it's difficult to compare the two. He might have been the second coming of Hart, but if he is, then Rodriguez's staff obviously isn't interested in Hart-like runners.
Regardless, if Hill has taken some lumps in the eyes of Michigan fans, it's justified - the coaches don't want him. Both UM and MSU wanted White; UM got him. Only MSU (and MAC schools) wanted Hill; MSU got him.
Magnus, I'm not arguing who is better, and I'm not arguing who the Michigan staff preferred. I have no idea who's better, because I'm not a qualified evaluator of talent - especially off of highlight films, and it's pretty obvious who RR preferred.
What I'm saying is that if you came on this board, or Rivals, or Scout, a few months ago, when Hill was a UM lock and White was an MSU lock, you found paeans to Hill's intelligence, class, and love of Michigan. You found people who brushed off his poor offer list because he was a diamond in the rough. Simultaneously, you would find a somewhat vicious little whisper campaign, bereft of details, by UM fans, against Austin White - he had attitude problems, he only cared for himself, he wasn't a team player.
I'm not saying that "we lost Hill". I know we didn't really try to get him. What I'm saying is that people talked themselves into him being awesome, and they're now talking themselves out of that conclusion. They had concluded that White was a cancer. I haven't seen any of that since he started leaning Michigan.
So - if we're going to sit here and laugh about "delusional Sparty fans", etc., maybe people in glass houses, etc.
Yeah, I know you're not arguing about who's better. I'm just saying that all/most of the comments I saw about Hill said, "If he gets a Michigan offer, he'll commit immediately." There was always that uncertainty about his talent level but a respect for his love of Michigan. I think people were more excited about his attitude than they were about his football skills.
I think people were more excited about his attitude than they were about his football skills.
I completely agree.
I think he was almost created as a foil to the guy we wanted, but didn't think we'd get: Austin White.
White was an egotistical cancer...Hill was a Michigan-loving scrappy rocket scientist.
You have a point, however, that thread seems to be more fickle than any thread I have ever seen on here. There are shades of gray.
I agree completely...It's just like Pryor...everyone loves him when he looks to be Blue, but when they commit elsewhere, they are the Suck! I'd like to have someone like Hill over some of the seemingly-comparably rated guys from LA, Tx..
Any Michigan fan who said they didn't want Pryor after he committed to OSU is either lying or retarded. I, for one, was very bummed when Pryor went to Ohio State and I think he would have been great for us.
Pryor was the #1 recruit in the nation and was HIGHLY recruited by RR and staff, Nick Hill wanted a Michigan offer and didn't get one...I'm not sure the situations are comparable.
The thing about Pryor to me was I wanted him to come to M, but I really grew tired of his recruitment and attitude. Great athlete that I would have loved to seen put on the winged helmet, but at the same time I didn't like him "that" much. Does that make any sense whatsoever?
I actually agree with this to an extent. Even before Pryor had committed, even when no one knew of a leader, I started getting sick of his antics, which softened the blow when he picked OSU. Certainly, I still wanted him to come here, but his attitude made me want him a little less, but like from a 10 to an 8 or 9.
and instead of getting him we took a flyer on Feagin.
My biggest problem with Pryor and I said this way before he committed anywhere was his attitude. I hated how he got riled during his high school playoffs and got into a fight because of it. I also didn't like how he drug out his recruitment and was a prima donna.
With that said I still think that him being at OSU is extremely scary and it reminds me of Troy Smith (except ya know better).
I know that when I watched Pryor's highlight reels, I was not as impressed as some people were. Would it have been nice to see him play at UM? Sure, but at the same time I think there are some questions about his ability to be an effective passer and his attitude, and those are very real complaints. Sure, some UM fans immediately turned on him when he signed with OSU, but that doesn't immediately infer that everyone who disliked Pryor did so because he spurned UM.
I think it was a very small minority that thought that Pryor would stink as a QB after he went to OSU.
I wish he would have came here. If he had, I think UofM makes a bowl last year - albeit the Motor City Bowl.
Great point, but with one counter
I still think that White's supposed "attitude problems" remains an issue for certain fans, me included. Sure, high school kids make mistakes, and oftentimes their transgressions are overstated by the media and fans, but if the claims of White's problems are true, then I'm still worried irrespective of his talent. I'm sure that OSU was happy when Clarett signed, but he had some baggage even then, and I'm sure logical OSU fans were a little worried about them when he arrived on the campus. Same with Willie Willaims at Miami. White is certainly not in the same stratosphere as those two numbskulls, but I am still concerned that White's name might pop up in the papers for reasons other than his play on the field and work in the classroom.
I think the bashing of Hill by UM fans (not here, but in less civilized circles) is unnecessary, and I can understand why MSU fans feel a little hurt by White's defection. At the same time, though, I don't think everyone is glossing over White's problems.
by "less civilized circles" you mean Mlive, ESPN, Freep, ect. What exactly are those Michigan "fans" saying about Hill?
Yeah, the MLive, freep crowds. I haven't spent much time there, but you get your typical Sparty or Michigan "slappy" who rants against either kid because of where he decided to sign. Personally, I think both guys will be good-but-not-great backs, though obviously I hope I'm wrong.
I guess I should rephrase about "fans" - people who are obsessed with starting fights in comment sections are talking ill about Taylor and White, depending on which team they root for.
http://michigan.scout.com/2/881785.html
Austin White interview at the ESPN RISE Camp.
Nice find.
Brian should try to hire you, you are a resourceful as all get up.
the thing i dislike most about those forums is not the spartan fans but the overuse of emoticons
OMG I will never visit that site again! It was like falling through the looking glass. The dancing emoticons and warped commentary gave me the sensation of vertigo. Who knew that Timothy Leary owned a Spartan Blog.
I wanna go to the MSU game and watch Tate score 5 TDs.
Hopefully Tate destroys them. They love to make fun of what an arrogant and douchey person he is. They had one creepy thread with a picture of him with 2 girls and were commenting on it.
It's a sign of intelligence when a group of anonymous grown men mock a teenager for his college choice.
See: Myron Rolle.
Oh, so you're saying that the group of anonymous men over at the RCMB took the one idiot who mocked Tate's choice and modded him into oblivion?
What, you were expecting the Sparty kid to say something intelligent?
Sorry. Not really.
You've referred to me as "kid" several times, making you sound like a creepy old man. For the record, I'm a man - I'm forty.*
Also, I'll still paypal you $20 if you're more intelligent than I am. [/karpodiem]*
*it's a joke, son.
I'm tempted to +1 you for channeling Mike Gundy, however you needed a little more verge of tears outrage.
This newspaper is garbage!
It's not Tate over there it's Taynt . . . get it?
Like, tainted I guess . . . or something.
Don't forget Michigan is only referred to as scUM as well.
The ONLY silver lining to loosing to State last year was that perhaps they'd finally lose the embarrassingly awkward inferiority complex that defines most Spartan football fans.
But nope, they just continue on, and have now added the "perennial powerhouse" fantasy into the mix.
With the dual issues of yearning for validation while simultaneously having delusions of grandeur, they are a psychotherapist's wet dream.
You'll notice that Michigan basketball fans haven't developed this affliction during Sparty's decade of uber-success on the court.
Must be something else.
scUM, FYS, O$U... it's not a singular phenomenon.
to do either: scUM, MSUcks, U$C, O$U. Like Brian wrote about 4 years ago, people who use those stupid names should have a bullet put in their head. NO SUGARCOAT.
Over-exposure to fertilizers, pesticides, methane off-gassing etc...
j/k of course
I wouldn't normally scroll through something like that, but I have to admit it was entertaining. It would be extremely interesting to see how Bo would recruit today. I'm sure he would loathe all of the game playing.
Chitown hit the nail on the head with this one. I don't understand the need to single out Sparty for something that every fanbase does, Michigan included.