Frat Ski Resort Damage - Photo
Well here's the damage pic.twitter.com/iMqyw0nQ12
— Seth Koronka (@Koronka1) January 18, 2015January 22nd, 2015 at 6:54 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 7:12 PM ^
You really want to explore the taxonomy of douches?!
Move along.
January 22nd, 2015 at 8:58 AM ^
What kind of a hit-job is this? I'm very disappointed in the main stream media's treatment of this situation. Did they even ask the right questions before jumping to the conclusion? Even a cursory review of the evidence points to some questions they missed:
- Why would anyone think that fraternities would have ceiling tile sword fights in which the loser gets a tile broken over his back as punishment? That just seems outrageous.
- Did those ceiling tiles fall down and deconstruct themselves into little pieces themselves? Occam's razor: what seems more likely: the first sign of intelligent life with the ability to reason similar to humans appears on earth as sentient ceiling tiles or college kids break stuff when drunk? I think you know the answer to this.
- Why didn't anyone get a quote from a Freshman member of the fraternity taken out of context to imply guilt? Freshman: "Yeah we really blew the ceiling off that-" M. Rosenberg "thanks. got what I needed."
- Why didn't the news reports distinguish between countable and noncountable ceiling tiles?
- Was this a site where ancient aliens had previously visited earth and the only possible explanation was that the aliens constructed the location as an intergalactic warehouse for their version of Amazon Prime and the vibrations that are caused by the faster-than-light shipping (and free streaming of tv shows from 20 years ago and no new movies you haven't already seen) of the products they deliver?
- Why wasn't George Tsoukalas consulted to investigate the method in which the cabinets were deconstructed? It appears it could have only been done with a technology beyond our years.
- Why wasn't this investigated as a possible protest against the administration's attempt to get Bisexual Asian Studies its own building at the expense of the math department or the hockey team?
- Has it been definitively proved that it wasn't bigfoot? A heard rumors of squatch calls that night and this has not been addressed.
- Where their balls inflated to the proper PSI?
- Did they consider using a LTX-71 concealable mic (the same one used by NASA when they faked the moon landings at Norton Air Force Base in San Bernadino, California) to get additional information during covert interviews? One could easily be obtained from Setec Astronomy to help compelte their investigation
Can't believe these questions have been missed. This is very alarming to me.
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:24 AM ^
There are a few more pictures out there and you can see what they did to the rooms and furniture, must have been one heck of a party! Lucky if they don't face legal action.
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:59 AM ^
That the busiest season for all of the ski resorts in Northern Michigan is this time of year. Boyne Mountain, Boyne Highlands,Treetops, Nubs Nob, and so this kind of damage has a great impact on business as well.
A lot of these resorts are sold out on weekends and now have lost this business as well, while the cleanup is in process. They may have to reimburse families who's weekend getaway was disrupted by rood and rowdy students that were thinking only of themselves while demonstating their complete immaturity.
I would love to see some community service for all involved, fines, damages paid and the U of M take action with the students as well.
This was not the fan base of the University, it was the Students!
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:43 AM ^
I saw some posts earlier indicating that the University should take action against the perpetrators under the Code of Non-Academic conduct. While I agree that the individual students involved should be liable for the damages they caused (and for criminal sanctions if applicable), and that the fraternity as an instituion should be face consequences from the fraternity council and/or its national leadership, I disagree about imposing academic punishments through the U-M administration.
When I was at Michigan (back in the far off past of the 1980s) there was a lot controversy about whether the Univesity (as opposed to the police etc) should have a role at all in regulating students behavior outside the classroom. The code didn't exist then. The justification was the code was, in part, that students should feel safer in their apartments, dorm rooms etc if they knew that the University as well as law enforcement could get involved.
In this case, the incidents took place over 100 miles from campus, and had no connection to the University other than the enrollment status of the students. As I said, I hope and expect that there are appropriate legal consequences faced by thsoe involved and for the frat's charter but I don't think that expelling or putting something negative in a student's academic file is the University's role.
January 22nd, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 10:30 AM ^
that is designed to handle this behavior, both civil and criminal. And if the fraternity itself wants to take action as this was a fraternity event that makes the chapter and national fraternity look bad then so be it. Or if the school wants to punish the frat somehow, that seems fair as well.
But, like Seth, I am not sure that the school should be handing out punishment to indivdual students for things that happened off campus and don't really involve academics or a danger to others. I am sure other people feel differently and that is fine. Just one man's opinion.
January 22nd, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^
Today's addtional coverage in all the media outlets is just really bad PR for UM and its students. As a longtime A2 landlord, I know the difference between " college kids having fun" and entitled kids who were raised with values I don't understand that are VERY immature. This certainly looks like the latter.
What ever the case really is, all UM students today are enjoying some negative stereotyping thanks to these asshats.
Looking forward to the legal proceedings. edit: I'm assuming the guilty members will be responsible for lost rents while the rooms are being repaired. Could be more than the $50K of damages.
January 22nd, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^
Never mind.
I replied to the wrong thread.
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:13 AM ^
[ed-s: he started a separate thread but I took the liberty of putting it here after moderating that thread]
This relates to the University of Michigan generally, so I am sure most people will think it is thread worthy.
What a few kids from an UM fraternity did off campus is getting a lot of attention from some of you. What they did was stupid and they definitely should pay for all the damage or be sued for those damages by the resorts. No questions. But, why do people care to get online and scold these kids more?? (I understand if you live near these resorts or know these guys, but that is not the vast majority of you.)
Personally, I have a problem pointing to drunken stupid actions by a few college kids at a "hotel party" and drawing any connection to their university from it. You might as well draw a stronger connection to the Greek system (not the school), to their state of residence (Michigan kids ar bums) or their major (LSA or the BSchool should feel ashamed). I just didn't get it at first...but I am starting to realize what is going on.
My theory.... it is only when kids with "privilege," such as rich fraternity kids driving luxury cars or pampered student-athletes, commit the crimes that it is newsworthy. The story with the frat destruction and even players who get in legal trouble is...."they are entitled or overly-entitled and think they are above the law...... how disgusting." This is why the media outlets harp on it too. It resonates with the common man.
Its off-putting that those thread are really about judging people who have a special status (wealth, fame, etc.) that most of us don't enjoy. I am not wealthy nor even athletic, but I don't notice when people are being judged by a different standard.
These kids are caught and the hotels will be made whole. They don't deserve any additional public condemnation.
It should be noted, that this has nothing to do with hundreds and thousands of fans taking to the street after a big sporting event. That is obviousy more closely related to this board (sports), involves more people than a handful and is an odd way to "celebrate" a sports victory. (I don't think those things are important either though.)
So, my question is....if its not about judging people with a more special status than you, what UM student-related crime warrants its own thread? Only those that involve pictures of damage? Only those that meet a certain dollar amount thresh-hold?
Here is the crime report from two days on campus, presumably some involve UM students. There are some expensive items at issue, do any warrant a thread? Is the cut-off $5K, $10k, $25K in estimated damages??
| Jan 16 2015 7:56 am | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150160047 |
| MASON HALL 419 STATE | ||
| A computer reportedly was taken from a second-floor classroom Jan 15 between 7:59 and 11:59pm. No suspects. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000135 - closed as of 1/20/2015 | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 9:32 am | Abandoned Vehicles | CAD#: 150160065 |
| 600 BLOCK E MADISON | ||
| Report that two mopeds parked at least since November near a SQ bike rack were determined to be abandoned. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000137 - closed as of 1/16/2015 | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 9:42 am | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150160070 |
| DENNISON BUILDING 500 CHURCH | ||
| Two microphones reportedly were taken from a lower-level classroom between 9pm Jan 14 and 9:20 pm Jan 15. No suspects. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000136 - open | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 1:42 pm | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150160099 |
| CENTRAL CAMPUS RECREATION 401 WASHTENAW | ||
| Two cell phones and a wallet reportedly were taken from the basketball gym between 1:15 and 1:40pm. Possible person of interest described as a dark-skinned black male, about 22 years, 6'2", thin build, short hair, sole patch with a light goatee, a long text tattoo on the inside of his forearm, wearing a green shirt with the sleeves cut off. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000139 - closed as of 1/19/2015 | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 3:47 pm | Ambulance request | CAD#: 150160112 |
| NORTH INGALLS BUILDING 300 INGALLS | ||
| A subject was taken by ambulance to U-M Emerg Dept for treatment. | ||
| Case Status: Assistance Provided | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 3:59 pm | Obstructing Justice | CAD#: 150160115 |
| CAMPUS SAFETY SERVICES 1239 KIPKE | ||
| A bench warrant was canceled for a subject who was arrested by another agency and taken to jail. (#14-755 possession of marijuana). | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000143 - closed as of 1/18/2015 with arrest made on 1/16/2015 | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 4:14 pm | Traffic Accident (off roadway) | CAD#: 150160118 |
| INTERCOLLEGIATE SOCCER STADIUM 2323 MAIN | ||
| A service vehicle accidentally struck a pole resulting in no injuries but some vehicle damage. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000141 - open | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 5:30 pm | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150160129 |
| MOTT CHILD VON VOIGTLANDER WMN | ||
| A wallet reportedly was taken from an employee's purse in an unlocked cabinet sometime between 7am and 5pm. No suspects. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000142 - closed as of 1/20/2015 | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 9:53 pm | Violation of controlled substances | CAD#: 150160163 |
| ALICE LLOYD HALL 100 OBSERVATORY | ||
| Report of smell of marijuana. Source could not be determined. | ||
| Case Status: Assistance Provided | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 9:59 pm | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150160166 |
| SOUTH QUADRANGLE 600 MADISON | ||
| Report that a laptop was missing from a backpack somewhere between South Quad and North Quad. Later the owner reported that his laptop had been found by a friend. | ||
| Case Status: Unfounded Incident | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 10:14 pm | Minors in possession of alcohol | CAD#: 150160170 |
| MARY MARKLEY RESIDENCE HALL 1503 WASHINGTON HEIGHTS | ||
| Possible alcohol violations with five subjects to be handled internally by staff. | ||
| Case Status: Disciplinary referral | ||
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| Jan 16 2015 11:41 pm | Trespassing | CAD#: 150160182 |
| SHAPIRO UNDERGRADUATE LIBRARY 919 SOUTH UNIVERSITY | ||
| A subject, who previously had received numerous warnings regarding behavior in the library, was issued a trespass warning and escorted out. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000145 - closed as of 1/18/2015 | ||
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| Jan 17 2015 12:14 am | Violation of controlled substances | CAD#: 150170002 |
| FLETCHER HALL 915 SYBIL | ||
| Smell of marijuana reported. Unable to locate source. | ||
| Case Status: UTL Any Problem | ||
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| Jan 17 2015 12:58 am | Minors in possession of alcohol | CAD#: 150170014 |
| ALICE LLOYD HALL 100 OBSERVATORY | ||
| Two alcohol violations to be handled internally by staff. | ||
| Case Status: Disciplinary referral | ||
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| Jan 17 2015 2:02 am | Ambulance request | CAD#: 150170023 |
| 434 STATE | ||
| An incapacitated subject was taken by ambulance to U-M Emerg Dept for treatment. | ||
| Case Status: Assistance Provided | ||
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| Jan 17 2015 2:48 am | Personal injury (non-traffic) | CAD#: 150170028 |
| EAST QUADRANGLE 701 EAST UNIVERSITY | ||
| A subject reported an injury and was taken for medical treatment. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000147 | ||
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| Jan 17 2015 3:38 am | Larceny from a building | CAD#: 150170034 |
| EAST QUADRANGLE 701 EAST UNIVERSITY | ||
| Report that clothing had been taken from the laundry room that night. Owner later reported he found the laundry. UNFOUNDED INCIDENT. | ||
| Case Status: Incident Report #15-000148 | ||
Should we also start posting about non-atheletes charged with violations of the sexual conduct standards at UM? Clearly those kids are committing much more heinous crimes. Someone want to start a thread about it? Its Michigan related.
Downvote away!
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
clearly not an isolated incident of some individual doing somethin stupid or illegal (agree that probably would not be likely thread worthy).
Detroit news outlets and sports radio is covering this story and it appears that the resort owners are saying this sort of thing is an annual event that is getting markedly WORSE EACH YEAR. If kids spilled some beer and broke a lamp, no one would care.
Overall this paints Michgan in a bad light as having entitled spoiled students whose parents will pick up the tab for their immature actions. It is a widespread black eye, at least for Michigan's Greek system.
I'd rather see threads on other topics but get its "importance" to UM students and alums.
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^
If all that happens is they have to pay for the damages, they are not held accountable for their actions.
If all that happens is their parents have to pay for the damages, they are not held accountable for their actions.
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:36 AM ^
are you related to Pat Klima at all? I knew him in the early 80s in Ann Arbor.
January 22nd, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^
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January 22nd, 2015 at 1:58 PM ^
for responding. :-) older guy here too (obviously as I wasn't a 11 year old freshman).
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^
It's a question of degree, yeah, but degree isn't solely the financial cost. Stealing $50,000 in laptops is precisely as awful as $50,000 in damages, but it's also not going to register with a lot of people here.
A one-night Bacchan destruction by UM students is of great interest to UM students and alums, and people in general. Tell me clothing stolen from a laundry room is more interesting than this?
Why give that group special treatment among greater umich sports fans this site serves? Like Detroiters or Ann Arbor residents, UM students and alumni and teachers are such a large contingent of our readership that big things of interest to them are allowed. If the Red Wings injured five Blue Jackets in a wanton brawl at the end of a 12-1 blowout the contingent of Red Wings fans would warrant a thread on it because they're going to be reading about it and talking to others about it.
January 22nd, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
I just wish our fan base wasn't so judgmental of young college kids.
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^
were conducted by kids that were poorer students, minorities, women, athletes, business school students, or some other group we should be talking about as well since it reflects poorly about the university we care so much about.
I personally don't want them to be stoned on the diag, just for the guilty to be prosecuted in way that goes beyond stroking a check, so we don't have this story become an annual black eye.
ps LOVED this Klima ad for Vernors:
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
An apartment complex party involving "regular" students that causes property damage would not register.
I think it would if all the "regular" students involved were part of some umbrella organization sanctioned by the university participating in a party put on by said umbrella organization.
If this were the Pops Orchestra, or the Glee Club, or the Solar Car team, or etc... it would still get this kind of notoriety.
January 24th, 2015 at 8:50 AM ^
If a group of U of M students regardless of whether they were in a fraternity/sorority or not would be just as much of a disappointment. No group of students from the University of Michigan who are by the way Adults should destroy another mans property.
I would feel the same regardless of the group of students involved. This just happened to be a Fraternity/Sorority that were involved. I would hope that charges are brought against those involved, they broke the law and being young and stupid is no excuse.
January 24th, 2015 at 8:42 AM ^
The point of this thread is not that 1 or 2 people was a little destructive to property. Several Fraternities' and Sororities' rented Condos at one Resort and several rooms at yet another resort and in a matter of two days managed to cause in the range of up to $100K in damages at Treetops and in the $1000s and Boyne Highlands Resort. This involved alot of students and Damages and Destruction that has not been seen in 50 years per some of the owners. The Michigan State Police was shocked at the destruction of property and are still determining what if any charges will be brought against the students.
It seems a little odd that you would want to compare this to a crime of theft in a laundry room? All crime is important, but than this was crime to an extreme and involving a couple of hundred students from the U of M and has found its way onto National News Outlet's and is currently being reported daily with the University of Michigan on every headline.
January 22nd, 2015 at 12:04 PM ^
All kidding aside, those involved need serious help. That isn't just your run-of-the-mill drunk fun.
January 22nd, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
This is now the #2 story on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2taa8q/this_is_just_some_of_the_50000_in_damages/
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:01 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
I have a lot of close friends who were in frats..great guys but I have heard many, many stories like this. They just dont care about anything when they party. A lot of them are very regretful of the stuff they did back then but at the time, they didnt care. Typical story line for frat events.
I am not going to bash on frats but the lack or respect, and the "i can do whatever i want" mentality is just ridiculous. I was an apartment go'er for those reasons.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 5:16 PM ^
Wheeeeeeeeeee generic group stereotype blanket statement. Take off "Frat" from the start of the sentence and you have a generalized true statement. Add in any other descriptor and you have a generalized true statement: basically some people in a group can be douchebags. Okay?
The incident is bad, and over the top, and its sad that individuals (or groups of indivduals) do this. I disliked the destruction when I was in college that occured at both fraternity and non-fraternity events.
But really, the "black eye" UM is going to get from this is going to a blip on the radar. Acknowledging that its bad, stupid, but the long-term damage to the University's reputation is basically nonexistant does not mean I condone it.
Much longer-term damage done to perpetuate fraternity stereotyping and the fraternity itself. That was brought on by members of the group.
January 22nd, 2015 at 7:25 PM ^
The GM at Treetops said it was the worst vandalism he has seen in three plus decades of being in the industry.
All SAM activities have been suspended for an indefinite time period. UM spokesman Rick Fitzgerald is requesting the same punishment for the other four frats/sororities involved.
UM SAM president said they take full responsibility and will pay for the damages and cleaning costs.
No mention of doing anything else which would show true contrition IMHO.
Outside the UM campus, the damage is to the entire student population's reputation not just the Greeks.
January 22nd, 2015 at 8:03 PM ^
January 23rd, 2015 at 9:25 AM ^
You really have no idea what the families of these douchenozzles are doing about it. You should stop assuming.
January 24th, 2015 at 8:54 AM ^
A new thread should not be necessary, this has grabbed the attention of the bloggers I do believe as well as the rest of the nation with some news outlets airing it on a fairly continuous basis and I might add University of Michigan highlighted quite frequently in each news report.
UPDATE: Treetops Resort in Gaylord estimated damages around $50K, Damages now range in the 100K range after cleanup and repairs have continued and some completed. Some of the rooms are now open for business again. Sigma Alpha Mu as we most know by now has been suspended by the University, although to be clear just the Fraternity is suspended. The students are back in class and back to business as usual. Signa Delta Tau Sorority was also at Treetops Resort and depending on investigations may have the same fate.
Boyne Highland Resort: Fraternities that were at this resort were Pi Kappa Alpha and Chi Psi Fraternities and Alpha Phi and Delta Gamma Sororitities damaged 12 Condos at Boyne Highlands during the same time frame. Damages unknows, but in the $1,000s.
The Photos are heartbreaking. Michigan State Police is still investigating and charges may still be filed. State Police Footage that I watched, they were at a loss for words as to how someone could have such a plain deregard for property, childish, etc. in some of their words they said it seemed like an earthquake had struck the resort with the severe damage.
I don't know what the Hell the Fraternities and Sororities hoped to acheive during the weekend up in Gaylord and at Boyne Highlands, but they should be crowned king if they were hoping to acheive destruction and shed a poor light on the University of Michigan.
With the most recent spotlight on the University of Michigan being in the news again which adds to another not so positive story relating to the University of Michigan if you add to it the Shane Morris Concussion and the Student Protests of David Brandon and all of these occurances within 6 months.
I myself would love to see some positive news. Jim Harbaugh was great and great for the University, but to have it followed up by this? This is not so good.
This is just an update from the late night news that was on last night and unfortunately when it is being discussed with the damage of the Fraternities and the Sororities involved the Block M is on the front of the article as well. It was depressing to see the "M" attached to such a destructive story.
Again, with the down votes. You are either very childish, possibly one of those involved or for some reason do not understand that this is not good for the University of Michigan.