Former Michigan and current OSU coach Greg Mattison bashes Michigan culture andrefers to OSU as a "business" when talking to top Michigan and OSU 2021 target
Quote from JC Latham:
"When I first went to Ohio State back in the spring time for practice, [Coach Mattison] was the first guy I talked to because I knew him right off the bat," Latham told Trieu last weekend. "He was telling me how different Ohio State's program was and how their facilities, practices, culture, all that was a lot better at Ohio State than Michigan. He was really telling me at their school, it's a business and they ran it strict to a T. He was telling me, 'if you're here, I can see you getting developed ten times better than I could see at any other school.' So he was kind of really just breaking the ice with me when I first visited."
January 8th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^
*and refers
My bad for the title typo
January 8th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
Well, yeah. Michigan is their primary rival. Do we expect him to say otherwise?
January 8th, 2020 at 2:33 PM ^
No, but it backs up what Steve Wiltfong said today when he slammed Michigan's recruiting department for being unorganized and not getting the job done. Maybe people will stop blaming bagman and online classes and just admit Harbaugh is failing.
“They haven’t filled the role, and we’ll see who they fill it with because Michigan is one of those schools where assistant coach recruiters are incredibly important because they don’t recruit in the same traditional way that almost every other program that we cover does,” Wiltfong said. “There’s not recruiting meetings. There’s just a lot on the assistant coaches’ plates to go out in their territories or in their position rooms and find guys they think are good enough to help Michigan win championships.
“Chris Partridge was a guy that wasn’t afraid to go into SEC country with his winged helmet logo on his golf shirt and go toe-to-toe for big-time guys and try to get them to come to Michigan. He had some big wins. He also had some close losses. I mean, Willie Gay was a guy who had Michigan in his top two. Otis Reese is a guy who had Michigan in his top two. He really got after it and worked.”
In general, Wiltfong didn’t feel like the Wolverines were recruiting at a championship level with Partridge. He felt Ohio State and Penn State made it more of a priority, so losing Partridge could only widen that gap.
“I just don’t think, collectively, this staff is recruiting at a level to win a national championship across the board,” Wiltfong said. “It’s a blow losing a guy in Partridge, who I feel like is one of your best recruiters when the emphasis on recruiting at Michigan isn’t the same as it is at Ohio State and Penn State right now. We’re starting to see it on the field.”
January 8th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^
This is troubling. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any college football program and should be one of the top priorities.
However, Harbaugh has churned out multiple top 10 classes, so it’s not like they are MSU in terms of recruiting.
People just love bashing Michigan. ESPNU radio bashes him almost daily. Just think how different the narrative is if only the ‘16 game was officiated properly .
January 8th, 2020 at 3:30 PM ^
I think the problem is that our classes are top 10 classes, but still second or third in our division. Good enough for the Pac12 or Big12, but not to win our conference.
January 8th, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^
Michigan isn't recruit at an OSU level - that's not in dispute. But in the full years Harbaugh has been here he's finished 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and 2nd in the conference recruiting. And while Partridge has pulled in a lot of highly-regarded kids from the south, that's also his "beat" down there. Who knows what will happen when they hire a replacement.
I do assume that Harbaugh recruits differently than a lot of programs, and probably not as efficiently as we'd all like. Though he also seems willing to overhaul his staff if he perceives that trending downward (as he did following 2017). But a lot of these articles seem mostly designed to generate clicks because it's slagging on Harbaugh (which gets fans and foes alike to comment) and are sometimes a bit light on actual facts.
January 9th, 2020 at 4:37 AM ^
BronxBlue,I've heard they don't even have a recruiting coordinator. OSU has a whole support staff doing evaluations prior to coaches hitting the trail. UM only signing 3 top 100 kids in 2 classes 2018&2019. is beyond pathetic @ a national brand don't you think?
Btw, my mother grew up in the Bronx, she went to St Barnibeus hs. They lived in the morris avenue & Jerome avenue. Spent my summers there up to 8th grade, late 60's to mid 70's. my aunt would have a bungalow @ rockaway or long beach. Very small apartments, but as a kid we didn't even notice. Good times. One year we were like 5 houses from the beach. Great times, the puerto rican girls got me girl crazy to say the least. They all moved after co-op city was completed and the jewish community fled. My grandmother was mugged in the elevator of their brownstone. She carried a whistle as her protection lol. My family moved to queens.
January 8th, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^
In 2016, 2017, and 2019 UM had the #2 class in the conference only behind OSU. In 2019 UM had the #1 class. Only in 2018 did UM finish #3 behind OSU & PSU. PSU is close behind UM, but UM is decisively #2 3/4 classes under JH.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^
That 2019 B1G rating of #1 is very misleading as it was attained because of big numbers - not quantity, OSU only had 17 scholarships to give out - we gave out 26. Their average star rating per player was actually higher. That counts more to me than a final higher rating than one due to numbers.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^
No, if you take the top 17 recruits for Michigan and the top 17 for OSU, Michigan is higher. We've been over all of this.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:20 PM ^
Really ? Those extra 9 recruits in 2019 with lower rankings that we took and shoved us past OSU just didn't disappear as they took up roster spots while the OSU roster was taken up by the best two back-to-back classes (2017 and 2018) in 247 Composite history. That's why the 2019 team composite between the UM and OSU isn't even close (see attachment). In fact, PSU has a higher roster rating with far less recruits. Spin it any way you want it, OSU has killed us in recruiting
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
January 8th, 2020 at 5:44 PM ^
I'm talking about the 2019 class that I quoted and you (very poorly) disputed. You now post a team composite - which is the sum of up to 5 years of recruiting - as evidence. This is either dense, or again changing the narrative.
You questioned the #1 Michigan rating in the B1G by invoking total commits. I refuted that by noting the top 17 for Michigan was higher than the top 17 for OSU, so even removing quantity Michigan's class was better. I win in every way here.
But I know you're hurt because Michigan has lost more than you want them to over several years, and you don't know how to process it. So you try to take shots at the program, hoping that making someone else feel bad will make you feel better. It will not. Work on your grief management skills.
January 8th, 2020 at 7:02 PM ^
Removing the bottom portion of a class does not refute his statement. There are two ways to look at rankings, and a lot of other things, quality vs. quantity. The total points awarded to the class, which is what you're referencing, is a measure of quantity. The average of the ENTIRE class, is a measure of quality. He's arguing their class had better quality...He is correct.
Those lesser-ranked players you arbitrarily removed to make your argument look better take up roster spots and prevent UM from filing them with potentially better players. A team isn't made up of 1 class, it's comprised of 4-5 classes.
It's bad enough to be an obnoxious prick on a message board, but it's a much worse look to do so and be wrong.
January 8th, 2020 at 7:28 PM ^
Except he wasn’t wrong. You are. A team is comprised of 4-5 classes, but that’s not what class rankings are ranked off. Oregon has the 7th ranked class this year. They don’t somehow have a worse class than Clemson because Clemson had a better recruiting class the last 3 years. We had a better recruiting class than OSU for that year and it doesn’t really matter if you think they didn’t. They did
January 8th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
Yes I understand the initial argument and did not agree nor disagree w/that stance. But there is no law stating how recruiting classes are ranked. These sites give the players a numerical value and total the points. You can choose to rank the classes by total points or average. Neither is right or wrong.
Where the obnoxious dude was wrong was A) asserting the other view point had no merit and was just him being salty (maybe he is, one does not discount the other) and B) that you can just discount the other 9 players as a way to counter act the quality argument - that’s not how math works. The other classes are then mentioned to explain why you cannot write those players off into oblivion.
Regardless...none of that refutes the initial quote which insinuates UMs recruiting dept. might not be in the best shape. Even if they’re recruiting on par w a school like PSU, if their disorganization is holding them back from recruiting at a higher level than it would be a concern.
Personally I think JH is doing a fine job and has UM functioning at about as high as we should all expect.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:20 PM ^
Sure, but there are two schools of thought there. OSU could have back loaded its 2019 class with 9 extra guys outside of its preferred star caliber, or it could have banked those 9 scholarships for future use. Michigan took the flier guys. OSU took the scholarship flexibility. Your preferred strategy is probably linked to whichever school makes you happiest on fall Saturdays.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^
I'm not debating the correctness of one or the other. I simply disputed a poorly formed argument questioning Michigan having the #1 class in the B1G in 2019. I did that rather easily.
January 8th, 2020 at 6:30 PM ^
Maybe you can teach an online class for those that are having a hard time understanding?
January 8th, 2020 at 6:38 PM ^
Not even close - only in your mind.
January 8th, 2020 at 7:54 PM ^
You said Michigan had a higher ranked recruiting class than OSU in 2019. True! Wolve1972 said OSU had a higher per recruit ranking than Michigan in 2019. Also true! I'm not trying to create an argument about which class is better. However, Michigan did add a bunch of fluff to its 2019 class that they either have to hope turns into good players, or turns into transfers. Scholarships are zero-sum, and finite. Because Michigan cannot consistently recruit top 100 kids, every single year they have to consistently over-recruit in the hopes that a long-shot will become a star. OSU doesn't have this problem. So yes. If you remove all the worst ranked recruits from Michigan's class, its per recruit average increases. Great point.
January 8th, 2020 at 8:03 PM ^
"You said Michigan had a higher ranked recruiting class than OSU in 2019. True!"
Thanks for following along through all that.
January 8th, 2020 at 8:25 PM ^
Sure. Feel free to cite these numbers the next time you extrapolate OSU's spring game into another 10,000 word article about why OSU will lose 5 games next year.
January 8th, 2020 at 9:04 PM ^
Ah, you know who I am. Flattered. I'm glad you read it.
I was hilariously wrong about that - though I took a chance, felt sound in my reasoning, and don't feel a bit sorry about it (I would, however, feel really weak criticizing someone who did something like that if I never took a similar chance of my own) -, but I'm glad you agree that I'm right here.
January 8th, 2020 at 10:58 PM ^
lol good job martyring yourself over a sports blog post. If you recall, despite disagreeing with your conclusions, I commended you for the effort in real time. However, if you thought what you were doing was so brave and noble, you probably wouldn't have stopped after week 2.
Anyway, if you're going to reply to me with snark, prepare to receive it in return.
January 9th, 2020 at 9:09 AM ^
"lol" at bringing up something completely unrelated to the topic because you kept losing on the topic.
Pointing out that you're doing so is not martyring, it's reflecting the reality of how weak that was. I didn't claim that my effort was brave and noble, just that yours was weak.
My OSU posts were exactly what I claimed they were: laughably incorrect, though based on (imo) sound logic, unapologetic. I stopped because it was clear they were very wrong. If I have the time, I may do another series this year. You will be free then again to shout from the bleachers your critiques. You can nudge your father and say sick burn. I'll read everything just as I did last time, and adjust as/if needed.
Or maybe do this: write your own posts on Michigan football for 2020. Put some analysis together and make some conclusions, put it on the board. Have your anonymous avatar face the music. We can settle this little snark fight with dueling board posts. I do remember you now, you'd probably do a good job with it. And if it didn't go so well, and anyone came around to lol at you for it in order to get a point in on a completely unrelated topic, I'll call that person weak. And then you'll feel better about all of this.
January 8th, 2020 at 6:26 PM ^
In today's world, it's not as much of a penalty to take the flier guys, as many will leave if they aren't going to see the field. OSU is in different position obviously, but I don't know why we wouldn't take the flier guys that we like (rather than nobody) and hope that a percentage of them work out.
(I'm not saying we don't need to get better at this, just that we're not taking up spots for 5 stars anxious to join us with 3 stars)
January 8th, 2020 at 9:30 PM ^
Why do OSU & UM fans have to continue to bicker over who had the better class in 2019? It's so annoying. OSU had the higher average rating per player because they signed fewer players. UM had the higher overall class ranking because they signed more players overall. You can look at it one of two ways, is it only the top few guys that matter or the entire class? If it's only the top few, OSU's top 4 are better than UM's top 4. If you care about the rest, well recruit by recruit UM's #5 is higher than OSU's #5 (Stover .9487 vs Jones .9512). The same goes for #6-the rest of OSU's entire class. So, UM is higher because it has more guys. OSU's average is higher because it signed fewer and their top 4 are higher than UM's top 4. But, it's not just that OSU could have signed more higher ranked guys, because 5-10 at UM is still better than 5-10 at OSU. I don't know why OSU fans cannot simply concede that UM had the better class for one freaking year.
January 8th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
So beyond tired of hearing about that game, especially in light of all the other blow outs that occurred before and since.
January 8th, 2020 at 4:28 PM ^
Some of us tried to point out our concern with the high amount of transfers and players who never produced under Harbaugh but people want to pretend like everything's fine.
The fact is, we have made some major mistakes in our recruiting. People like brandon Peter's and aubrey solomon for example. Jordan Anthony, drew singleton...
A lot of other defensive lineman are a concern.
Their is a lot of hope with the offensive lineman, I think we have some real home runs with that group. But I fear it wont makeup for Harbaughs failure at other positions.
January 8th, 2020 at 9:48 PM ^
I think Wiltfong is saying that without Partridge, our recruiting will take a step back and it’s already not good enough to win a title. He didn’t say it was bad, but it is disorganized.
Can we please forget about JT being short. There’s not an angle that’s right down the line and you’re lying to yourself if you definitively think he either made it or he didn’t. You just can’t tell. There was one guy who had the perfect viewpoint and he gave them the first down. It is what it is. However I do agree with your point that things would be different if he was marked short.
January 8th, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^
The statement "People just love bashing Michigan" is why people bash Michigan.
January 9th, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^
It was a first down.
January 8th, 2020 at 2:49 PM ^
"emphasis on recruiting at Michigan isn’t the same as it is at Ohio State and Penn State right now. "
almost no one is recruiting like OSU but mentioning PSU in the same breath kinda ruins the credibility of the comment. UM and PSU have basically has the same recruiting the past 2 years. If anything UM was a bit better.
January 8th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^
"On par with PSU" isn't something I consider praise-worthy for Michigan. Honestly, we should beat them cleanly everywhere except in the state of Pennsylvania.
If we're ok just being second-tier, well, fine. These quotes basically paint the picture of a second-tier program.
January 8th, 2020 at 3:24 PM ^
being "ok" with it wasn't my point... unless you are Georgia, LSU or Alabama you are not recruiting on the level of OSU and therefor ARE second tier from a recruiting standpoint. I don;t think this is some secret or major black mark for a program but it is reality.
The only thing that is going to change that is winning and winning big... not some change to the way you recruit or who you recruit. Their is a cap on the ceiling unless you win and that was my problem with the whole Wiltfong statement
January 8th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
Per the company Wiltfong works for, we've had better recruiting classes than PSU in 4 of the last 5 years. We have beaten them cleanly in recruiting, and we're 3-2 against them in that time on the field. Wiltfong is talking garbage about Michigan because it sells.
2020:
Michigan #11, #2 in B1G
PSU #14, #3 in B1G
2019:
Michigan #8, #1 in B1G
PSU #12, #2 in B1G (OSU was 3rd)
2018:
Michigan #22, #3 in B1G
PSU #6, #2 in B1G
2017:
Michigan #5, #2 in B1G
PSU #15, #3 in B1G
2016:
Michigan #8, #2 in B1G
PSU #20, #4 in B1G (they finished behind Sparty)
January 8th, 2020 at 4:09 PM ^
Retention matters. PSU is ahead of Michigan on aggregate players on the roster.
PSU has also “hit” or developed more offensive talent than Michigan has. See Saquon, McSorely, Sanders etc.
January 8th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^
I don't want to hear it. That is switching the narrative.
This nonsense comment is about recruiting. Michigan has definitively been better than PSU. Wiltfong is trolling Michigan because it sells, he didn't say a word about retention.
January 8th, 2020 at 10:12 PM ^
I only read the quote on here so maybe it’s wrong, but Wiltfong never said Penn State recruits better than Michigan. He said they are putting a stronger emphasis on recruiting than we are and it’s beginning to show. Michigan used to own Penn State, but now with JF they are emphasizing recruiting and it’s showing on the field. They’ve won two out of three and basically they’ve caught up with us talent wise because of the emphasis they put on it. I don’t see anything wrong with what he said.
January 8th, 2020 at 10:26 PM ^
That's still garbage. What does that mean, "put more of an emphasis on it"? Michigan is recruiting at a higher level than PSU, which seems to be the best indicator of emphasis. Or maybe emphasis is the wrong metric. If PSU wants to recruit better - as good as Michigan is - maybe they need less emphasis? You see how this is asinine?
One team is recruiting better than the other. Michigan is that team per the very company Wiltfong works for.
"Starting to see it on the field". You say 2 of the last 3. You did understand how silly of cherry pick that is, correct (given two of the last 3 were in Happy Valley)? Harbaugh is 3-2 against PSU, Franklin is 2-4 against Michigan. Their tenures matter. You understand if this was posited 12 months ago, the argument would be Michigan has won 2 of the last 3 (though maybe, you know, it had something to do with those being in Ann Arbor)? So this changed this year? Do you understand that Michigan HAS THE BETTER RECRUITING CLASS this year?
The most appropriate reading of this was Wiltfong jumping into the "criticize Michigan/Harbaugh, get clicks" pool of college football media. It worked, surprise. I'm hoping by knocking down these arguments, people won't be so easily fooled next time.
January 8th, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
Avg Rank Ovr 2016-2020:
Michigan 10.8
PSU 13.4
When you factor in "hits" on the PSU side, plus the lack of rentention on the UM side, UM's rank certainly drops.
Don't have time to dig up the NFL draft stats on Franklin vs. Harbaugh (but it's also good to remember that NFL production is only one factor in gauging the quality of recruiting/the teams performance, as CFB production does not necessarily entail NFL production/drafting).
January 8th, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
Agree with your stat, Michigan recruiting has been better than PSU. The Nittany Lions have some work to do if they want to catch up to Michigan.
January 8th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
I agree with your second paragraph, in which you list some hits and don't even get to guys like Chris Godwin and KJ Hamler. I think "retention," while perhaps a problem for Michigan, is not something that Penn State does particularly well, given all the transfers they've been suffering in various seasons. That doesn't invalidate your post, though.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^
People leaving at Michigan = Problem
People leaving at PSU = Not a Problem
Got it. Reason clearly ruling the day with intellectuals in this thread. Points are not being invalidated. Also, Devin Bush, Winovich, Wormley, Hurst, three different Glasgow brothers, Jourdan Lewis, Willie Henry, David Long, Runyan Jr., Uche, Bredeson, Onwenu, Ruiz, Levert Hill and let's just stop there because the list it extremely long to make All-B1G or better are not part of this story.
Stop it. You're hurting because Michigan lost more than you'd like over several years and you don't know how to process it. In 2016 it was random dumb ass bad luck. In 2017 it was the quarterback. In 2018 Ryan Day completely owned Don Brown. That is nearly the entirety of it.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:37 PM ^
What assertion of mine are you arguing, exactly? I have no idea what you're disagreeing with.
January 8th, 2020 at 7:27 PM ^
Indubitably, to wit and forthwith:
Poster says PSU has developed players better than Michigan has, lists a whopping 3 guys as evidence. You join in and agree with that, listing another 2 guys. That's 5 guys holy shit what an argument, PSU rules. I listed 16 guys off the top of my head who've been excellent. I'm going to talk slowly here: you guys are angry because Michigan has lost more than you like, it hurts you, so you are ignoring very obvious flaws in your argument. Michigan has developed a shit load of guys in the Harbaugh era, at least as many as PSU, probably more. But you're offhandedly granting that PSU has been better. That's silly. Michigan... wait for it... has a better record vs. PSU than PSU does against Michigan. Michigan is 3-2 vs. PSU, and PSU is 2-3 against Michigan. Michigan has recruited better than PSU.
Poster invokes retention at PSU. You say this has been a problem for Michigan, then correctly call out PSU's poor retention, then wave that away. PSU has had a MASSIVE retention problem, something like a bazillion guys left their team last offseason. "Though that doesn't invalidate your point." This is you saying Michigan has a retention problem, but PSU does not. That's obtuse. I don't think either program particularly has one, at least not any more or less than any other team. Maybe putting it another way would help: if I argued that PSU had a retention program and Michigan did not, I'd think that's a pretty stupid argument on my behalf.
Does that help you see how I believe those assertions to be flawed? I sure hope it does.
January 8th, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^
I’ll say this slowly for you so that everyone else can read the contempt I hold and I can feel morally superior or something:
I waived away retention, and agreed with the point about development, which is to say that PSU has developed a lot of great performers, generally on offense, and they have. Michigan has not produced a QB as good as McSorley, an RB as good as Barkley (or, arguably, Miles Sanders), a playmaker as dangerous as KJ Hamler, or a receiver as consistently dominant as Chris Godwin.
If you bothered to read other posts of mine, instead of just reading into my post whatever you feel like, you’d notice that I spend some time documenting players Michigan has developed well, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I haven’t bothered to get into it (even I occasionally think there are benefits to limiting my words, believe it or not) but I consider that a credit to Michigan’s defensive coaching.
But it says something that Michigan can’t seem to shake loose of PSU despite theoretically superior coaching and, you know, not having to endure the program almost being killed by the NCAA.
If I wanted to make up stuff about other posters like you have here, I’d suggest that you were angry that some people aren’t as true-believer about the program as you, or perhaps that you were deliberately misreading arguments. I don’t know that, though; this is a message board, and neither of us know each other, so misrepresenting arguments and assuming one knows the mental state of another would be foolish, and I try to avoid that.
I’m not interested in being as good as Penn State (who has, unlike Michigan, won the B1G and beaten Ohio State and successfully developed a dominant offense). 3-2? Great.
We should be better than PSU, and we can be. This thread is actually about how Michigan differs or does not differ from OSU. I think we all agree that there is a difference; the question is why, and you are arguing red herrings in questionable faith.
January 8th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^
You copy me with the talking slowly thing, which is the sincerest form of flattery.
I took you to task on what you posted, it was junk and I wrecked it as it deserved.
We are better than PSU, both in recruiting and on the field.
You tried to slide out of your argument by saying you were only talking about offensive players. That naturally brings an argument of offense vs. defense, and which is better to be good at developing players. Which is silly. You're invoking offense only because you cherry pick all of your arguments to display Michigan in a more negative light than it deserves. Many posters on here do the same. It's most pervasive after a loss, then it subsides. With limited other data I posit that the reason posters abandon reason and cherry pick easily refuted arguments: they are emotionally hurt by losses and haven't been able to deal with them sufficiently. I think I'm right. They also go out of their way to insult the team and coaches. Putting others down to make one feel better is one of the oldest coping mechanism of all time. I believe I'm right about this as well.
The post that you made your comments in is about Wiltfong's comments, which regard PSU and OSU. The posts that you made and that I refuted were about PSU in particular. This little argument we are having here is about that, and not about what this thread is refencing (which is how Michigan differs from OSU). Would you like an answer on that? See Seth's post: OSU won several more critical games which allowed them access to 5*'s. Why did they win those games? I say it's the QB: flip Michigan's QB with OSU's the last 5 years and Michigan would have a couple of B1G titles and playoff appearances. Yes it's Harbaugh's job to get that and he needs to deliver. But he's built out everything else in my opinion and that's better than where we've been in 15-20 years.
January 8th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
With limited other data I posit that the reason posters abandon reason and cherry pick easily refuted arguments: they are emotionally hurt by losses and haven't been able to deal with them sufficiently. I think I'm right.
As I said, this is foolish. Self discrediting.
They also go out of their way to insult the team and coaches. Putting others down to make one feel better is one of the oldest coping mechanism of all time. I believe I'm right about this as well.
You appear to be including me in this. That's flatly dishonest.
Your comments in this thread are fiery but have only the vaguest relationship to the comments you appear to be interacting with. Your reading of posts (my previous one, for example, where you substitute your word "point" with my word "post" to make it sound like I was handwaiving on the retention issue after objecting to it despite my doing no such thing) is either dishonest or, more likely, careless.
You're looking for people to be angry at. In many ways you are making stuff up to do it.
By all means, air your differences in opinion. If you think Michigan's defense is championship-worthy against OSU, make that argument (ironically, I'm not nearly as anti-Brown as some other people on this board--for example, I have stated and generally believe that he appears to be a significant reason Michigan is good at developing those defensive players I discussed elsewhere in the thread--but nobody can seriously argue that the defense's performance the last two years against OSU has been acceptable). If you think QB is literally the only thing keeping Michigan from achieving elite status, well, I disagree somewhat, but we probably have similar feelings on the QB situation and perhaps can even find common ground on why Harbaugh hasn't developed one well. I have stuff on the board about it; perhaps engage that, instead of imagining opinions that I don't hold.
January 9th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
You continue to flatter me by mirroring my technique and even my actual phrasing. I'm holding you accountable for posts you directly made. This comment here walks away from those posts, not surprisingly because they are on very weak footing, which is why I discredited them.