Explain this Forcier concept to me

I might be the wrong person to explain, because I believe none of that Newsome stuff (afraid of competition, etc.)  I think he decommitted because of pressure to do so from people around him that wanted to see him play closer to home.  (I still do not think he will go to Virginia Tech, however, unless he grayshirts.)

The first two are easily reconciled, though: Forcier, had he committed with Newsome present, would actually have been in a 3-way competition, which offers much worse odds than a 2-way.  So if it were true that Newsome decommitted because of competition and now Forcier will commit because Newsome's gone, then you'd look at it like this: Forcier did not mind competition with Beaver and Newsome did.  I'm not saying I believe Newsome decommitted because of Beaver.  Just that, that's the right way to see it if that were true.

I have no comment on Newsome liking attention, because I'm not sure he does.  This strikes me as a case where you have to recruit Daddy as hard, if not harder, than the player.  Similar, perhaps, to B***n.  It may not be so much Newsome that likes the attention; Daddy is doing all the talking and he may be liking the spotlight more than his son.  In Forcier's case, the entire family is clearly enjoying this, but I don't get the sense that they're stringing things along, just publicizing the procedure more than most.

"would actually have been in a 3-way competition, which offers much worse odds than a 2-way"

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

According to everything I've read with Rivals (not just now but in the past few months), Forcier was never scared to compete with Newsome. It was a more of "why would I go to a place that is taking three 4-star QBs in one class when I've got like 30 offers on the table".

And if you are expecting every recruit that likes Michigan to commit the second they're offered, you are crazy. Just because a few guys from down south have committed without official visits, don't expect that to become the norm.

Tate Forcier didn't want to come to Michigan because of Kevin Newsome

i think it was more of tate couldnt as long as newsome had his scholarship

Would we have extended a scholarship to Forcier if Newsome and Beaver actually enrolled or signed an LOI?  Was there even a spot for Tate until yesterday?

To Dex's points:(I know that Dex is playing devil's advocate here)

Newsome =/= Michigan due to Competition:  there are 1000 reasons he may go somewhere else.  Competition may or may not be one of his reasons.

Forcier didn't commit to Michigan because of Newsome:  Probably more along the lines of Newsome + Beaver took the two available slots prior to Tate committing.  I seem to recall that Beaver jumped at the offer more quickly than Forcier or Newsome.  This may just be a case of Tate snoozes, he loses.

Newsome Likes Attention:  Unless he stretches his recruitment beyond signing day, schedules press conferences to say he hasn't decided, adds schools to his list and says he will visit that he has no intention of visiting, I wouldn't throw him into the TP pot just yet.

Forcier Posting everything on the web:  Tate may like attentio. He may also be trying to shake out additional offers /generate interest at different schools, including Michigan.

Tate Loves Michigan:  Well who wouldn't? (sarcasm)   I don't know why he didn't commit.  He may not have had a spot open to him until yesterday.  Who knows.  Maybe he wanted top speak with his brother, coaches and family before he committed and missed his window?  Maybe he doesn't like the idea of competing with two other QBs? 

Let's not assume the logic of Michigan fans / alums applies to recruits.  We're talking about high school juniors/seniors with vastly different views of college athletics than us.

are not to be taken seriously

they mean "we would consider having you in our recruiting class if we have room and no one better comes along- stay in touch"

 Maybe these thoughts are totally off, but here goes:

• Kevin Newsome doesn't want to come to Michigan because of competition
  • This is inevitably painted as a bad trait - the young man doesn't want to compete for his job, and is therefore unworthy of being a Michigan Man.

I doubt that the competition scared him.  But then who would want to go where there is even the possibility of having to transfer because someone else got the starting nod.  This level of recruit is thinking NFL down the line and of course they want to make the road to the $$$ as simple and assured as possible.  If you ignore the Jay Paterno factor, Penn St. seems like the most assured place to start for Newsome IMO.

• Tate Forcier didn't want to come to Michigan because of Kevin Newsome
  • At the same time, people are excited that Forcier can now commit because he is no longer worried about Newsome. If we didn't want Newsome because he didn't want to compete with Beaver, why are we excited to get Forcier, who didn't want to compete with Newsome?

Again, this seems like a no-brainer for Tate.  He has passing skills that should make him a solid NFL prospect down the line.  Why would he enter a situation where two other high level QBs are competing and risk having to transfer (like his bro) and jepordize the big payday that could realistically be his future?  But with Newsome out of the picture at least for now, maybe he loves Michigan enough to risk it and compete with the Beav?

• Kevin Newsome is "Pryor"-like and likes attention
  • Others are saying Newsome is a spotlight hog or something, and he wants to "string along" his recruitment like Pryor.

This may or may not be true.  How could we know?  Only time will tell.

• Tate Forcier posted his recruiting letters on the internet
  • He also lists "New Mexico" (which may or may not be a real university) as a leader. He is averse to attention somehow?

New Mexico would obviously love to have him and he would almost assuredly be a star for them.  Assuming they have less athletic receivers than BCS level schools, his reported accuracy passing would be a big help there.  Again, he is both trying to hype his worth and looking at places that will assure his stardom to create a smooth path to the NFL and the $$$ I would think.

• Tate Forcier loves Michigan
  • But he hasn't committed?

His brother loved Michigan but had to transfer for the good of his own future prospects (or so it seemed before RR came to town).  Tate says he loves Michigan but would be a fool to enter a situation that does not give him an edge towards the NFL.  With Newsome out for now, maybe his Love For Michigan will get him to come to be a Wolverine.  I sure hope so, but the Beav being committed to M may be enough to keep him wary.  Again, to belabor the point, who can blame him for wanting more of a sure thing regarding his future.  Michigan offers exposure weekly on TV, possible magazine covers if he rocks, and a great education of course, but having to win a starting spot with another high level recruit in the same class offsets that somewhat.  It isn't cowardly, it shows intellegence and forsight.

I agree that UNC is a likely destination.

 However, to the people who think Newsome's spot at VT is blocked because of Tyrod Taylor: Taylor will be a junior by the time Newsome has a chance to play football there.  Taylor could be gone to the NFL or - if the Vick comparisons are accurate - he could be in jail soon after Newsome would arrive on campus.

PSU is also a possibility.  There's a certain mystique about PSU, even though nobody from PSU ever becomes a good NFL player (only a slight exaggeration).

it's one thing to follow recruiting. it's quite another to make character judgments on kids based on projecting onto them one's own priorites and values.

in one case, it makes you really big fan. in the other, it makes you a tool.