Erick All Undergoes Successful Back Surgery
Looks like we have confirmation on All's injury. Glad all seems well now and hoping for a rapid recovery!
October 21st, 2022 at 7:44 PM ^
Glad to hear that! Heal up and come back for a special 2023 season
October 21st, 2022 at 7:45 PM ^
Thanks for the update. Tough luck for him and hope his recovery goes well. The one surprising thing for me is that he had to go to Florida for the surgery, and that it wasn't performed at Michigan Medical.
October 21st, 2022 at 8:15 PM ^
Yes, very surprising. Also surprising, the surgery was in Fort Myers.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:01 PM ^
Very weird. I’d guess it’s a discectomy (just based on the most common back injury that would involve a surgical intervention with a young athlete). No idea why he’d go all the way to Florida for what’s a pretty common procedure.
October 21st, 2022 at 11:27 PM ^
Only thing that occurs to me is that there was some aspect of the problem that is not typical and this guy specializes in it.
October 22nd, 2022 at 11:15 AM ^
Have a relative who is a trainer for one of the Big 10 schools and sounds like it's becoming increasingly common for college and minor leaguers/junior hockey players to go to those who are in the pro "network" of doctors which is largely driven by agents--not that All has an agent.
He also said Mich Med is in a bit of a "rebuild" as one of their best sports docs recently left to another state.
October 21st, 2022 at 7:51 PM ^
Good news of the week.
October 21st, 2022 at 7:57 PM ^
Get well soon Erick All, my dreams of All coming back for OSU are now dashed.
October 21st, 2022 at 7:58 PM ^
What kind of back surgery? Decompression or fusion?
October 21st, 2022 at 9:36 PM ^
This can't be either if he plans to play again. I think this is disc surgery that he can recover from fully, hopefully. I hope it's not disc replacement. Either way, that's not fusion. Even at a young age
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:20 AM ^
Pro football players have played with fused cervical discs. It wouldn't be a guaranteed career ender, but likely.
Decompression implies a microdiscectomy, which is absolutely compatible with continuing to play pro. The discs don't fuse, it just removes a portion of a bulging disc that is causing symptoms.
I spent most of a decade designing spinal fusion implants. Avoid fusion at all costs.
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:43 AM ^
Yes. I'm not a professional, but have back issues. The escalation from pt and noninvasive treatment to fusion, depending on your issue, is so quick. There are new treatments, many of which aren't covered, but the truth is, success in repairing a damaged back, as you say, when it comes to fusion, is very low probability. You really are just moving the instability in the back, and the likelihood of more surgery is almost a guarantee
Fixing a disc herniation, or even disc replacement has better opportunity for long term life success, but playing football after any severe back surgery seems shortsighted.
I don't pretend to know his circumstance, but this did not seem minor, nor simple
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:49 AM ^
I wouldn't say "almost a guarantee," but I've seen reported results of 1/3. And an ortho/neuro will sell it like it'll fix you right up lickety split, no doubt. You definitely want to do everything you can to avoid spine surgery, including pt, weight loss, exercise, etc.
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:54 AM ^
Yes, but playing football is not on the list.
Also, the numbers would be skewed in his favor since older patients who have it done are likely to be unable to manage the fusion in a successful way. Pt, strengthening etc...
I think at his age he'd have a much better chance.
All of this is speculative, but when he says life changing... That indicates to me it's more than a small herniation fix type thing
October 22nd, 2022 at 4:11 AM ^
I’m in the ortho/spine design space. What kind of implants did you design?
October 22nd, 2022 at 4:08 AM ^
A decompression is pretty minor these days. Some can be done in the out patient setting. He’s most likely done for the season, but a decompression would mean that he will most likely play again. A fusion will be a bit more dicey. A 2 level lumbar degen case might not be too bad, but many levels or cervical ACDF could be significant enough that his playing days are over.
October 22nd, 2022 at 3:38 AM ^
Ok, I’ve got this one (literally).
Double cervical disk replacement. Went from total inability to function, untreatable pain, radiating neuropathy, inability to sleep, drive, etc., to full go with weightlifting 2x week and on golf course 2x+/week w/in 24 hours post surgery. No PT. Some meds for residual tissue discomfort (esophagus moves one way, carotid moves the other way to make room for procedure).
Recovery times for thoracic and lumbar replacement are longer due to the fact that surgeries are similarly performed from anterior and the surgeon has to move more stuff around to get at those locations. I’m scheduled for a lumbar replacement just after college football season has concluded and my understanding in talking to other patients is to expect 5 months to get back to full go given the organs and other systems they have to move around to make room for this procedure.
The surgery was quite literally life changing after completed, as in I went under in total crisis, and woke up and immediately knew I was “fixed” there was some icing and neck bracing for 5 or so days to control inflammation and allow tissue to heal. Next to no visible scar.
Post surgical results in professional athletes typically return to nearly 100% functionally as long as they wait for the bone to fuse properly with the specially coated titanium plates inserted into the vertebrae above and below the viscous ball of flexible material between the titanium plates that enables a return to the joint’s 8-way natural mobility.
I went to Johns Hopkins (best for these procedures), Mayo Clinic, and 3-4 “leading surgeons” who treated famous sports types and most surgeons recommend surgeries that the profession that has most comfort with (“fusion” and/or micro decompression) because that is what insurance covers and old school treatments (while not nearly as successful) lowers their risk of liability for malpractice (old tried and true if largely imperfect) but the best surgeons regardless of geographic location for TDR who work with cutting edge techniques and the latest FDA approved artificial disk technologies aren’t necessarily found in large teaching hospitals it’s wherever “the guy” who develops the techniques and/or the products resides. In my case, Beverly Hills (and plastic surgeons for incision and close in natural neck creases so no noticeable scar afterwards either).
Say no to fusion and yes to TDR but choose surgeon and replacement disk product carefully. Took me 18 months of intensive study, multiple surgeon/specialist visits and interviews to get the right combo.
For me, no reduction in activity, no residual symptomatology. TDR for the win!
October 22nd, 2022 at 9:01 AM ^
How do we know it was back surgery? The tweet only references surgery, but not the type. The OP states that it was back surgery, but I’m not seeing where they came up with the type of surgery.
October 22nd, 2022 at 11:08 AM ^
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe I missed something. But new reports are also very ambiguous about the surgery.
October 21st, 2022 at 8:01 PM ^
Yeah, credit to people who noted it a couple weeks ago that his back was injured. Hopefully a speedy recovery and this does point toward him maybe coming back since it's unlikely he'll be ready and healthy in time for the draft.
October 21st, 2022 at 8:13 PM ^
Is there a YouTube analogue to posterized? Because PSU's #4 already has two or three such situations against Michigan, and he's only a sophomore.
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:52 AM ^
#4 is a true soph from Detroit and Cass Tech named Kalen King that Seth & I both wouldn’t mind if transferred to Michigan considering we likely lose our 2 starting CBs and starting NB after the season
October 21st, 2022 at 8:54 PM ^
Amazing execution of an amazing play call. I may have to search for list of great Michigan game winning plays. This right there with Kolesar, Manningham, and Carter.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:20 PM ^
Mercury Hayes was the first I witnessed!
October 21st, 2022 at 8:09 PM ^
Jeez get well Eric, Gronk had back surgery in college and his career speaks for itself.
October 21st, 2022 at 8:46 PM ^
I'm glad you said that. I didn't know what to make out of this news! Get well soon, young man, and as always,"Go Blue!"
October 21st, 2022 at 8:48 PM ^
So, All good then?
October 21st, 2022 at 9:08 PM ^
Is he gonna make a comeback?
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:26 AM ^
Y'All comes back now, y'hear?
October 21st, 2022 at 9:49 PM ^
I had no idea it was an injury of this scale. M has been pretty tight-lipped about his situation, so I don't really know what was going on.
Obviously, hoping the best for him. Back injuries can be tough, but I can't wait to see him back in uniform.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^
Wishing Erick a swift and full recovery.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:13 PM ^
Wow. Had no idea. Great news it was successful. Best wishes to Erick for a full healthy recovery.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^
This dude is a freaking stud. I know we have had good TEs since Harbaugh has been here but All to me has been the first prototype Harbaugh TE that mauls people in blocking and then finds himself in the passing game to become a true game changer. I know this sounds a bit weird but it is pretty amazing that we could benefit from having Ronnie come back for this season and maybe All coming back for next season with both of them being clear leaders on this team.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:47 PM ^
Wishing him the best.
October 21st, 2022 at 10:55 PM ^
"Life changing surgery"--I wonder if it was something related to his spine? Back surgery is serious enough without it needing to be that though.
Hope he recovers quickly and fully. I don't even care if he plays another down at UM, E.All is a straight up classy young man, and he deserves the best of everything. A great representative for the program and the University.
October 22nd, 2022 at 8:05 AM ^
Theres also the possibility that “Life changing surgery” might not be in reference to the severity of the injury itself. If All is someone that suffers from chronic back pain to the point of being immobile at times, and this (hypothetically) minor surgery is something that fixes the issue then that is something that could also be considered life changing.
Point being that what information we have at this point is much too vague for assumptions or guesses to be made.
October 21st, 2022 at 11:07 PM ^
What was the injury?
October 22nd, 2022 at 8:02 AM ^
His back
October 23rd, 2022 at 6:55 AM ^
that much was clear. i was curious about the specifics but apparently that data is not available. thanks anyways.
October 22nd, 2022 at 8:06 AM ^
It seems no one knows. Lots of guesses though.
October 21st, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^
I can’t wait until All’s back.
October 22nd, 2022 at 12:22 AM ^
...fully heals
October 21st, 2022 at 11:57 PM ^
All’s well than ends well.
And it ends well that All’s well.
October 22nd, 2022 at 2:57 AM ^
Really hope that "successful" means he can come back with no lasting effects and realize his goal to play on Sundays. Tough break for him.
October 22nd, 2022 at 11:31 AM ^
Best wishes to Erick All and a speedy and full recovery.
October 22nd, 2022 at 11:40 AM ^
Looking at the picture, there is a card in view with "Biospine #1" printed on it. BioSpine Institute has a facility in Ft. Myers. "The BioSpine Institute specializes in the ever-evolving field of minimally invasive spine surgery." Seems that most of their procedures are disk related (herniated discs, etc.).
It's great news if this was solved by a minimally invasive procedure.
October 22nd, 2022 at 11:58 AM ^
N of 1, but my wife had a diskectomy. Went from debilitating pain, numbness in legs, to 100% fine.
October 22nd, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
Good to hear, back pain is debilitating