Encouraging study on youth football and mental effects

Submitted by MonkeyMan on October 23rd, 2019 at 8:38 PM

There's been lots of negative press about football and concussions but it may not all be true. Here is a recent study that shows no mental impairment from youth/HS football and actually 22% less depression:

https://www.studyfinds.org/study-no-link-between-youth-contact-sports-cognitive-or-mental-health-issues/

The other problem I have about the concussion scare is that it doesn't address the benefits of football in terms of overall health. Ex-players live longer and have lower cancer rates than non-players. Working out for years to play ball produces lasting benefits to the body. BTW- cheerleading leads to almost as many concussions as football and isn't targeted for being banned.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/21/cheerleading-is-almost-as-dangerous-as-football/

Hotel Putingrad

October 24th, 2019 at 9:05 AM ^

There probably are regular modifications being made to the tumbling routines by the relevant authorities. And every sport has committees charged with improving participant safety.

Regardless, this is a single study of dubious methodology, so I wouldn't exactly herald it as proof of anything.

GoBlueTal

October 24th, 2019 at 9:29 AM ^

The whole point of science is the search for truth, even, or perhaps especially, when "everyone" agrees on something.  I don't read this study as proof of anything, but it gives reasons to look harder rather than take the knee-jerk, football bad!  Burn it!  Build a bridge out of it!!!  side that some would like.  

MonkeyMan

October 24th, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^

saying that kids can just play track instead is completely missing the point-for many kids the only sport they are interested in is football, if you get rid of football they won't play anything- period. Most of these kids will lose out on the health benefits.

By the way- track can cause long term damage to joints. Want busted knees at 50?

micheal honcho

October 25th, 2019 at 2:28 PM ^

Or...get ready for this. They are that 5'11" 245lb kid who has what other options? I don't mean he can't do swimming, or track or fucking bowling etc. BUT, what sport makes him and his given physical attributes valuable? 

Any give HS football team is made up likely of 20-30% kids that would likely be labeled the "fat kids" in grade/middle school and might very likely be left as couch potatoes if not for football. 

But yeah, entitled little bitches.

CHUKA

October 24th, 2019 at 12:59 PM ^

Of course there’s a lower chance of concussions in track but I disagree with your take on arthritis. Having done both I much prefer the impact on turf or grass than a track. And I couldn’t even imagine basketball with the constant impact on hardwood. Literally anything other than maybe swimming and cycling will have a loaded impact on your joints.

Gentleman Squirrels

October 23rd, 2019 at 8:57 PM ^

It’s worth noting that researchers were only able to account for “intent” to play football. Additionally, they weren’t able to determine how long each participant played football, what position they played, and if they had sustained any recorded head injuries. With these facts in mind, the study’s authors stress that additional research is needed before any conclusions can be drawn from their research.

That's a big qualifier there. Furthermore, the research only followed the kids for 14 years to determine if any cognitive decline would be evident in early adulthood. That does not mean there could not still be more damage that could manifest later on in life. Even if you look at MRIs of their brain, you would still not see any difference between someone with CTE vs someone who doesn't, until you actually biopsy their brain in postmortem.

Finally for the depression aspect, that seems like it's a given considering you're getting kids more active and interacting in social activities. 

Phaedrus

October 24th, 2019 at 10:22 AM ^

Running backs, linemen, and linebackers get concussed all the time and just continue playing without anyone noticing. Even the WRs—remember Julian Edelman in the Super Bowl when he was obviously concussed but continued to play (I think the Falcons game)?

That would be like getting in a car accident and then the ambulance getting in a car accident on the way to the hospital and then when they get you out of the ambulance they drop you on your head.

andrewG

October 24th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^

what a horrible argument. take your unluckiest/worst driver and they still get in less car accidents than a football player suffers violent collisions by a factor of uh... many thousands? that's not even hyperbole.

HarBoSchem

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:02 PM ^

The study by The University of Colorado in Boulder, didn't track actual injury data, nor how long the individual played.  Weak data, it basically seems like they collected data through response forms and no actual hands on. 

More studies are needed, but it's honestly up to the kids and their parents to weigh the cost to benefit. Every sport can be dangerous. 

Laser Wolf

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:20 PM ^

Do what you will with your own kids. Everybody needs to do what’s best for them and their families. Personally, my kids won’t be going anywhere near a football field. 

KC Wolve

October 24th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

Agree. Damn hypocrites. I don’t watch football, UFC, wrestling, movies with dangerous stunts, soccer, cheerleading, or basketball, because I don’t want my kid getting a concussion. I just keep everyone in the house a we stare at a white wall. 

mackbru

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:23 PM ^

This is a bullshit study that's nowhere near as comprehensive as other studies. This is just the kind of study that allows fans to rationalize.

saveferris

October 24th, 2019 at 7:39 AM ^

The study is being funded by the PAC-12.  Surprise, a scientific study being paid for by a college football conference whose lifeblood is getting young kids to play football finds evidence that playing football may not be detrimental to young kids.

To be fair, the work being done at the University of Colorado is also researching ways to be make football safer, better equipment, etc; but to suggest that playing football might not be detrimental to young kids and could actually extend lifespans is complete and total bullshit.

MonkeyMan

October 24th, 2019 at 9:31 AM ^

"this is a bullshit study that's nowhere near as comprehensive as other studies. This is just the kind of study that allows fans to rationalize."

So what is your rationalization for supporting UM football and giving all our kids brain damage?

Jasper

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:30 PM ^

"Ex-players live longer and have lower cancer rates than non-players."

Have a citation for that?

"Working out for years to play ball produces lasting benefits to the body."

Right, but you could just do that and not play football.

"... cheerleading leads to almost as many concussions as football ..."

Its danger definitely seems to be underrated.

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As for the lack of observed mental impairment, lots of maladies tend to be related to the number of total "insults" to health. It could be that NFL players tend to be vulnerable because they've accumulated a lot of insults (which, of course, increase in intensity as the level of play gets more difficult).

I think football is dangerous, period. It *might* make some sense for kids of limited means with clear NFL potential. For everyone else, the risk:reward isn't good. (That includes quite a few guys on Michigan's roster.) There are other ways to stay active and fit.

Jason80

October 23rd, 2019 at 11:57 PM ^

How about we just use people that surrender to the US Army in times of war, or even condemned criminals who otherwise wouldnt offer any value to our society. It seems rather barbaric to use the lowest of the pleb children to entertain us in gridiron when we have those other people we could use instead. We are more civilized than that here in Rome.

Jason80

October 24th, 2019 at 4:19 AM ^

Yeah it's sarcasm in response to football being good enough for poor people that have limited options...they can pursue the NFL but otherwise it's too dangerous. If I were of that opinion I can't imagine why I would support any team playing the sport. If I'm of that mindset what is the difference between football and the arena games in Rome?

MonkeyMan

October 24th, 2019 at 9:08 AM ^

"I think football is dangerous, period. It *might* make some sense for kids of limited means with clear NFL potential. For everyone else, the risk:reward isn't good. (That includes quite a few guys on Michigan's roster.) "

Then why on Earth do you support UM football? If you really care about our kids you will stop giving your money to a death machine!

Phaedrus

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:42 PM ^

If you look at the details of this study they are clearly juggling more variables than they can truly account for in the results. Then when he mentions the limitations of the study toward the end there is a pretty ominous list.

This is why "content writers" and journalists are terrible at relating scientific information even when they speak directly with the scientists. They have dumb headlines that declare that a conclusion has been reached when the study isn't even comprehensive enough to suggest a conclusion.

The scientist who consented to the interview contributes to these misunderstandings by making some statements that will be misconstrued as more declarative than they ought to be while also making other statements that are too declarative. Sometimes scientists are just excited about their work, sometimes they realize the professional benefits of receiving attention, but either way they make the field look bad when they do this.

The other one…it's The New York Post and the headline is stupid enough for me not to even bother digging into it. When we rely on journalists with no scientific background to translate the material in academic papers the truth is often lost along the way (if it was ever there to begin with).

outsidethebox

October 24th, 2019 at 7:21 AM ^

Being a human being is a complicated affair. For all of our intelligence we are crazy as hell. Paradox, irony, rationalization, ignorance and hypocrisy rule much of our world. Goodness and wisdom fight a 50/50 battle with evil. Sports, religion and politics vie for the top role of the "peasants'" "OMG List". Heaven help us all. 

We were taught to use our heads as a weapon. I am sure there were (mental) repercussions. I would like to see football remain an option. "Adjustments" are being made but more must be made-not sure what they are. I wonder about eliminating shoulder pads and facemasks.

I loved playing and coaching team sports. 

 

Phaedrus

October 24th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

Don’t get me wrong, I love football and the physicality of it. I just don’t think that studies that grasp at straws in an attempt to demonstrate that it’s safe should be convincing. Football is clearly dangerous. 
 

I just think we need better equipment (it might sound crazy but the old leather helmets might have been a better option) and better concussion detection. A scientist I know who has done extensive work on concussion detection told me that the real risks come from getting back in the game after a concussion. He actually invented a device that can detect concussions—he tried to sell it to the NFL and they wouldn’t even meet with him. 

Sopwith

October 23rd, 2019 at 9:43 PM ^

A little odd to me that the study relied on surveys to gauge "intended participation" in various sports in the study as opposed to retroactively finding out who actually played. I'd be at least somewhat curious to know what percentage of kids (esp. those intending to play football) actually follow through, and how many played for x number of years. From the research article:

Intended participation in contact sports was not significantly associated with any of our outcomes in the full-sample analysis, although it was trending toward an association with suicide attempt.

EDIT: I guess this was already noted earlier in the thread. Nothing to see here. Move along.