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Drew Sharp's comment on drunken Grady

He's absolutely right that Rod must bring down the hammer.  Christ, look at Grady's mugshot - it's amazing he can stand. When you've been driving that f-ed up, you should thank your lucky Flying Spaghetti Monster that you didn't kill somebody.  Speaking as someone who lost a loved one to a drunk driving college student, I want to see Grady punished severely.

But also, The Rod's got a lot to prove as far as discipline goes, what with some of the historically bad apples he's shuffled through the program.

I'd be happy with 6 games, though I know that's unrealistic.  Anything less than 3 is a sham.

PaulVB

July 7th, 2008 at 9:09 AM ^

Rodriguez can’t get away with it — not with everybody knowing that current NFL malcontents, Pacman (Call Me Adam Now) Jones and Chris Henry, began their litany of legal transgressions under Rodriguez’s watch at West Virginia. I did a bit of research (nothing exhaustive), but neither player mentioned seemed to be a perennial troublemaker in college. Maybe the money fed an ego that bloomed once the threat of Barwis was removed, but RichRod seemed to have kept them under control.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 7th, 2008 at 9:55 AM ^

Drunk Driving is a miserable judgement call on Grady's fault, and something that can end in horrible, horrible ways. That said, I don't think there is any precedent for long (ie, 3-6 game suspensions) for such things in college football. Also, Paul, you're right - Jones and Henry didn't really get in much trouble at WVU.

SFBayAreaBlue

July 7th, 2008 at 12:57 PM ^

get in the way of a drew ASSCLOWN sharp hitjob.  That guy never saw anything he couldn't write a negative piece about.  Puppies? fucking spoiled.  Charity?  Arrogant rich pricks.  I imagine he wakes up in the morning everyday and does the reverse stuart smalley . He looks in the mirror and says "You can't do it, you're too shitty, and gosh darn it people hate you." to fire himself up to write his crap. 

SlaunchaMan

July 7th, 2008 at 10:15 AM ^

Honestly, I wouldn’t be upset it Grady were kicked off the team. To blow a .281 and still be driving is just plain dumb. Rodriguez will come down on him, I’m sure, but anyone saying that his punishment is too severe should be reminded that Grady’s lucky not to have killed people.

Musket Rebellion

July 7th, 2008 at 10:53 AM ^

Kevin Grady getting kicked off the team would be a fitting end to his failed career at UM. Although I had hopes that this year would mark his coming out party. It's too bad really. RichRod will give him an ample punishment. Let's also not compare Jones and Henry to Grady. Remember, Grady is Carr's recruit, not RichRod's. This doesn't dismiss him from punishing him, as he most certainly needs to be dealt with in a harsh way, but he's not the troubled recruit of our new overlord.

kgh10

July 7th, 2008 at 12:59 PM ^

Don't you think referring to Grady's career as failed is a bit premature? He had two years of health, and during those times he was an underclassman who was sitting behind Hart. His freshman year Hart was injured for most of the year so he had to make an impact, and sure, he didn't deliver how you'd expect a highly touted recruit to. But not everyone lights it up like Mike did his freshman year. Not to mention, although he wasn't terribly consistent, he still averaged 4ypc and scored 5 TDs in 2005.

During his sophomore year, Hart had his best season ever and a 2nd RB wasn't really needed and he would've never gotten the necessary amount of carries to deem his 2006 season productive. 

During the offseason of the 2007 season, many were saying he was in his best shape ever and was really performing well in the workouts up until his injury. This could've easily been fluff, but with Hart going into his final season, there really wasn't a need to hype up a backup RB unless he actually was performing very well. This offseason, we were hearing much of the same about his workout habits and his performances. He's known as a workout warrior and has always been one of the better conditioned athletes when not injured. Of course conditioning and on the field performance are two different things, however, it is a good sign of his work ethic regardless.

In conclusion, I'd hardly stick a fork in his career at UM when he has two years to finally develop the way we all hope he would. It might be better to hold off judgement, it was his first and hopefully his only offense.

MRG

July 7th, 2008 at 10:59 AM ^

...is that then you have to start matching arbitrary levels of obliteratedness to suspensions. What if he blew a .200? Or a .150? Additionally, different people have different levels of impairment at the same BAC. Obviously, there's some wiggle room with suspensions between .08 and .28, but not that much.

As chitown mentioned, six games or a full season (as Sharp is demanding) would be, to the best of my knowledge, an unprecedented penalty for a DUI. Often times, I get the sense that Sharp sets up unrealistic expectations only to express OUTRAGE at a later time.

I don't entirely know what an appropriate penalty would be, but Rodriguez should be prepared mete out the same penalty for next DUI (which will happen), regardless of BAC.

Daniel L

July 7th, 2008 at 11:32 AM ^

Suspend his driver's license and make him run everywhere imo.  My DUI punishments (for everyone, not just football players) would be 3 month license suspension for first offense, 1 year suspension for 2nd offense, then permanent suspension for 3rd offense.  If during a license suspension period a DUI occurs, then permanently suspend that person's license forever right then.

People suggesting he get kicked off the team can go fuck themselves.  Unless you would want to be fired from your job and basically cut off from all jobs in your best skilled field for a DUI.  In that case, throw the first stones

dex

July 7th, 2008 at 11:42 AM ^

I'd love to see the vengenance brigade get in trouble with the law sometime, walk into their job the next day, and have their boss call them.

"Son, I'm sorry, but you just aren't a Fremulon Insurance man. Clean out your office now and get lost."

I'm sure they'd take it in stride and not, you know, sue them or something. 

wigeon

July 7th, 2008 at 11:28 AM ^

He's a kid. Kids make bad judgment calls. 6 games is ridiculous, like Dex said, 1 game seems appropriate. I'd boot his ass for a second offense though.

Tubes

July 7th, 2008 at 12:24 PM ^

It'll be interesting to see how Rodriguez reacts, seeing as this is his first real discipline issue to deal with. Especially since he was hired people always seem to bring up Henry, (Adam) Jones and Devine. For his own sake I think he needs to err on the side of a stiffer punishment to set the tone and shut the media up about troubled players in his past. And I wouldn't be opposed to it. Kid had a freaking .281 BAC driving a huge SUV. Sit him down for the non-conference season.

colin

July 9th, 2008 at 6:51 PM ^

The real test for Rodriguez, as I'm sure Lloyd will tell him, is turning Grady into the sort of person who won't make these kinds of mistakes in his life.  Whenever this kind of shit goes down, the first, second and third impulse is always to hate on these kids (or to defend them to keep them on the field) when in fact we don't know a damn thing about the way they conduct themselves (BFD Terrell excepted of course) under normal circumstances.  That's why the coach matters so much.  We have to trust him as fans/aums to do his duty.  It's Rich's duty to understand the intricacies of the matter to make sure these guys stay/become proper representatives of the university.

big gay heart

July 7th, 2008 at 12:48 PM ^

Kid gets drunk and drives. WOW HOLY SHIT HE'S NOT A MICHIGAN MAN HE HAS NO INTEGRITY HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT BEING A WOLVERINE IS PRIVELEGE NOT A RIGHT GRADY ISN'T GOOD ANYWAY SO SCREW HIM KICK HIM OFF THE TEAM RICH PUT YOUR WIZARD HAT ON AND DO THIS BOY LIKE SNOOP GOT DID IN BABY BOY YEAH OMG OMG WHATS NEXT RAPE HOLY SHIT KEVIN GRADY IS AN INSURGENT I'M SO OUT OF BREATH. OMG OMG OMG.

Look, he made a mistake. But there's no evidence this is a pattern of behavoir or that Grady is a bad kid. Lot's of people get DUIs and its terribly irresponsible. But, jesus, these are kids we're dealing with. Do you understand that point? Kids. They aren't going to be perfect. You can either turn this is into a learning experience and make Grady work his ass off and earn his way back onto the field or you can say, fuck him, throw him off the team.

In one case, you make an impact on a young man's life. You teach him a hard lesson in what it means to be responsible. In the other case, you take the easy way out: you wash your hands of him and say good luck.

If U of M is really in the business of turning quality young people out into the world, the only choice is the former. Bust his ass in practice, make him work, really work, his way back onto the field. By kicking him off the team, you show a total disinterest in the bigger issue and you set a precedent that loyalty - even when it may not be totally deserved - isn't a core value of the program.

Jim Tressel washed his hands of Clarett and it led to him driving down 75 with an SUV full of assualt rifles and drunk on the Goose. The great part of Lloyd's tradition was that he stuck with guys, even when they fucked up. That's the one thing I will always respect Lloyd for. Win or lose, the greater context was never spurned for the "holier than thou" idealism.

 People like Drew Sharp are myopic dick holes who have the luxury of not having their youth examined under a microscope. Grady did himself and the university wrong, but let's give a pretty good kid [by all accounts] the chance to become a good man. Or are we too good for that?

derpDerpDerp

July 8th, 2008 at 4:45 AM ^

...on the base assumption that drunk driving is not that serious.  I happen to think it is very, very serious.

Let's throw out a complete hypothetical: Grady nearly hits someone while driving that drunk.  If the person is hurt, what do you think Grady's punishment should be?  If that person died, what should his punishment be?

When you're that drunk, that you don't hurt someone is more up to luck and circumstance than any active involvement on your part.  So in either situation - Grady hurting someone or not - his involvement is constant: he was drunk to the point that he could not have very good control over his actions.  So if those actions resulted in something more serious than they did, would the punishment be more severe?

It's the question of punishing the cause or the effect.  Obviously most things in society go against effect -- murder vs. attempted murder -- but I think that's bullshit.  If you're in a position where you could have killed someone but for the good fortune of not physically being in a place where it could have happened, then that to me is as good as murder.

I'm taking this a bit extreme, I know.  But that DUIs are treated as such a minor action -- not by people here alone, necessarily, but by the law as well -- is infuriating.

colin

July 9th, 2008 at 6:55 PM ^

but you have to understand that there are multiple sides to the story.  The pain and suffering that Grady did not cause can't be attributed to him.  He's lucky that's the case and that's why it's a relatively minor infraction, but one that must not be allowed to occur again.  Besides, he was so bombed that it's not as though he was enacting a decision process; he was at least somewhat likely to be blackout drunk.  Perhaps this sounds callous, but you have a pretty significant bias that's going to probably prevent you from seeing the issue fully. 

AnthonyC

July 7th, 2008 at 12:47 PM ^

The only reason that he's still on the team is because he was lucky enough to not kill anyone. Thats all it is, luck. 6 games is very fair for something like this. Its incredible that people could say that anything more than one game is too much. The kid could have killed someone very easily. There is a BIG difference between driving at .10 and .20, and he should be punished accordingly. If he blew a .1 there would be no reason to suspend him more than 1 game. Driving with a .281 is like shooting a gun off while blindfolded in a shopping mall.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 7th, 2008 at 12:56 PM ^

It should be said that Grady has no prior team violations or discipline issues. Obviously something should be done, but people who want him suspended for 1/2 a season need to take a deep breath. The players aren't there merely to serve the school - the school is supposed to serve them as well. Cashiering the kid for making a really, really bad decision doesn't serve him, at all - it's convenient for the school if they want to avoid the shrill hypocrites who want to damn the kid who have never driven after taking a drink or smoking a bowl.

I'll admit - I have driven after drinking. And I'm sure most of the people posting here has on occassion as well. This is in no way attempting to excuse it, so please don't start with that shit.

As a college, we should be interested in the kid's development. As such, you kick his ass, make him do community service out the ass, make him run til he pukes, and try to instill an understanding that such behavior is unacceptable.

People talk about this "Michigan Man" horse shit all the time, but you need to understand that no one is born with the qualities you associate with the term. It is, partially, the school's responsibility to turn these kids into the sort of people we want representing us.

dex

July 7th, 2008 at 12:58 PM ^

If we're dealing with what "could" have happened, I want Marlin Jackson retroactively removed from all Michigan history and all games he participated in to be forfeited, because he "could" have killed that kid when he smacked him in the face with a beer bottle. I also want every person here - and I know there are some - who have driven drunk to be suspended from their jobs for 1/2 a year. Also, I want to be incarcerated because I "could" have killed someone when I accidentally ran a stop sign across M50 in high school. What he did was wrong - nobody disputes that - but shouldn't the goal of a punishment be to rehabilitate Grady rather than mollify Drew Sharp?

derpDerpDerp

July 8th, 2008 at 4:51 AM ^

...Grady has been given something (scholarship, opportunity) and should be made to understand that abusing it is grounds for its withdrawal.

Playing football at michigan for free is not a right, it's something that has been given to him based on his work and character and talent.  And I agree that just casting him off at the first sign of trouble helps no one.  But at the same time, I'm not saying he should be kicked off the team.  

A 6 game suspension is a second chance.

colin

July 9th, 2008 at 7:02 PM ^

degree of prevalence, don't you suppose that there's a reason that there's already a settled precedent for such behavior?  Or were what Bo and Mo and Lloyd set down not good enough either?  In fact, we're not talking just Michigan football, because there's obviously serious precendent all across college football.  Why make Grady a scapegoat for what appears to be something of a personal crusade?  Why is he any more likely to learn his lesson following a 6 game suspension than a single game suspension?  Don't you think the actual treatment he gets from Rich and the rest of the staff and players will have significantly more impact on whether or not he does this again?  Like I said, slapping the proverbial big red letter A on him for the world to see doesn't change anything except public perception of our institution.  I don't much care for what they think of a single incident that will blow over in no time, so let's actually solve the problem, right?

Go Blue Toledo

July 7th, 2008 at 1:07 PM ^

"If he blew a .1 there would be no reason to suspend him more than 1 game." Is this assuming that at a .1 you are not likely to kill anyone....or yourself? So he is six times more likely to kill someone at a .28...Judging by the recommended punishments. You guys sound like a bunch of outraged MADD members. He didnt kill anyone, whether it be luck or that he just didnt hit anybody....he made a mistake, make him go to counseling and miss a couple games and move on!

big gay heart

July 7th, 2008 at 1:17 PM ^

I think Grady's punishment should be the sort where he is given an ultimatium: do what we tell you and then, maybe, we'll let you on the field. I'm not sure that saying "oh, sit out four games" is the route to go, partially because the undetermined nature of punishment is often the thing that causes the most fruitful introspection.

chunkums

July 7th, 2008 at 1:47 PM ^

Something to throw out there: He was pulled over in Wyoming, which is a good 15-20 minute drive from East Grand Rapids if he was on his way home. Trying to go that distance with a .281 (absolutely shitfaced) BAC is just begging for some sort of accident. With that in mind, he's a 19 or 20 year old kid and guess what? Kids screw up. Its very easy to get out the pitchforks, tar, and feathers for what *could* have happened, but it didn't. I say suspend him for the OOC games, and during that time make him work his way back into favor. If anyone here wants this to ruin his football career (kicking him off the team would do that), then I pray that you never have kids, because at some point they will probably do something stupid and illegal, and sabotaging their careers would be just plain mean.

Tubes

July 7th, 2008 at 1:56 PM ^

I agree that he is a kid and kids make mistakes...but kids also make a hell of a lot less serious mistakes than attempting to drive 20 minutes with a BAC of .281. Maybe the idea of suspending him for a set amount of games is not the best idea, as opposed to setting goals for him and letting Rodriguez make a judgment call on when he can return to action.

Ninja Football

July 7th, 2008 at 2:41 PM ^

Jim Tressel washed his hands of Clarett and it led to him driving down 75 with an SUV full of assualt rifles and drunk on the Goose.

@BGH:

Dude, you forgot the lint roller, man- that guy was gonna de-lint some shit! Fuh real. We don't want Grady going down that path.

carl

July 7th, 2008 at 3:25 PM ^

Wyoming is at best 10 minutes from his home. Not to mention how do you know he was going home? You sure are a bunch of shrill m-fers.

It doesn't matter how far he had to go or how blitzed he was. It only takes backing out of a driveway to kill someone - drunk or not. How about every time you fist biters go above the speed limit? You sure as hell could have killed someone and had the book thrown at you to boot. Let's all take some deep breaths.

1 game suspension minimum but I do like the idea of incrementally letting him earn his way back with a series of goals to achieve. If he doesn't achieve them by the time the season starts then he just sits until they're all accomplished.

chunkums

July 7th, 2008 at 3:41 PM ^

I stand corrected on the distance.  Mapquest says 14 minutes so oops.  Carl are you serious about comparing blackout driving to speeding?  You also run the risk of killing someone by posting on this board since saying something might rub them in just the wrong way.  With as drunk as he was, (and looking at his mugshot), he could barely even keep his eyes open, so as much as I hate to say it, this is pretty bad.  Not bad enough to end his season, but pretty bad. 

carl

July 7th, 2008 at 4:21 PM ^

I'm merely saying that going a mile an hour over the speed limit and killing someone is a ton worse than driving at a .281 and not. I'm saying let's punish him for what happened - not what could have happened.

Oh - and I didn't mean to bust balls with the time-from-home. I just think that that really shouldn't have anything to do with it. Should they have let him go if he was 2 blocks from home instead of 14 (actually about 10) miles from home?

briandtw

July 7th, 2008 at 4:23 PM ^

There's plenty of precedent for suspensions for garden variety DUIs and that's what this pretty much is. Yeah, his BAC was pretty high, but thank goodness he didn't hurt anyone and hopefully will learn from his mistake. He obviously deserves a suspension but anything more than a couple of games would be unnecessarily draconian in my opinion.

imafreak1

July 7th, 2008 at 8:22 PM ^

I disagree with 2 of the main premises of this article. First, RR doesn’t owe Drew Sharp (who is essentially a tough talking jack ass lucky enough to be employed by a newspaper) or any other outsider anything but the common decency and respect due all human beings. RR is the head football coach at the University of Michigan rightfully and with full honors. He does not take the stage under any suspicion or need to prove himself because the Bengals are a bunch of criminals or Pacman Jones is an idiot. He certainly doesn’t have to throw a kid under the bus to prove himself to the guys playing grab ass around Mike Boren’s Weber grill just because he was not baptized by St. Bo before he passed on to his great reward. Which brings me to my second point. I like my justice to be, you know, like, just. RR shouldn’t sacrifice Grady because he was the first just to make a point. Grady deserves the same punishment anyone else in his shoes would get.

It's easy to say RR should throw the book at the hypothetical tailback named Kevin Grady because he’s not high enough on the depth chart for us to care. But Kevin Grady is a young man. A young man who happened to make a very bad mistake but it’s his first (and better his last of this sort.) DUI isn’t a capital offense and thank God no one was hurt. But it’s something far too many people in this country have been guilty of for me to believe Grady should lose his career over.

Jim Harbaugh S…

July 7th, 2008 at 10:59 PM ^

A summer of running steps and a one game suspension plus a few weeks of mandatory personal counseling will handle this. A one game suspension will do the trick because not only will he be sitting out a game, he is losing the opportunity to demonstrate in that game that he can get it done running the ball. If Minor/Brown/whoever/combination of these people proves that he/they are the best runner(s) in the first game, Grady is probably going to have a hard time getting on to the field. I think this will be enough to teach him a lesson/show that the new regime ain't taking discretions lightly.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 8th, 2008 at 8:28 AM ^

But, what does a 6-game suspension accomplish other than serve some people's sense of moral outrage?

hat

July 8th, 2008 at 5:06 PM ^

Suspend him for 2-3 games. A single game seems a bit lenient for a guy who was driving at almost three times the legal limit. (And if you suspend him for one game with a .281, what do you do to a player who records, say, a .11? The same punishment?) Driving at that level of intoxication is pretty scary. It's disappointing that none of his friends/family apparently realized the risk and took his keys away. On Marlin Jackson from above - why do people keep claiming he hit a guy with a beer bottle? He denied it, and took and passed a police lie detector test about it.

hat

July 8th, 2008 at 9:09 PM ^

I don't know how the legal system views it, but I personally think there's a difference between a .11 and .28. The first qualifies much more as an "honest mistake" in my book - having literally one drink too many. In the second one, you're just plastered out of your mind and probably can't even walk.

TokyoBlue

July 8th, 2008 at 10:15 PM ^

DUI, DWI, OWI, etc. These aren't separate crimes, necessarily. Usually, the terms refer to the same infraction, but different state statutes use different nomenclature. For example, Grady was arrested on suspicion of OWI (Operating a vehicle While Intoxicated). OWI is driving with a BAC over .08, and is Michigan's term for what many other states call DUI. Also, Michigan used to have a two-tiered drunk driving law consisting of two different offenses: impaired driving at .08-.09, and drunk driving for .1 and above. Now they are unified and .08 is the only marker as far as BAC is concerned. As was mentioned above, for obvious reasons criminal law tends to focus on effects rather than potential outcomes (hence the law of attempt). Therefore, if Grady had killed someone such an exacerbating factor would have increased the magnitude of punishment. However, he did not. Punishments are generally to some extent both retributive (pay back society for the injury you did to it) and utilitarian / rehabilitative (let's prevent this from happening again, by either incapacitating the person in jail or reforming him). When it comes to this type of situation, the law tends to lean more to the retributive side, and essentially says "yes you harmed society by driving drunk, but not nearly as much as society would have been harmed had someone been killed--even if this is due to your own dumb luck."