Does Harbaugh relate to players in the "Harbaugh to NFL" drama?

Submitted by MMBbones on January 17th, 2023 at 1:22 PM

Probably stupid. Negbang away, but...

Reading the quotes from Donavan Edwards today, and taking them at face value, it does seem possible the players are less concerned about the annual JH NFL drama than we and the media are.

The best players face that same decision: "Go to the NFL or stay?" And they weigh their options and of course NIL is a new and interesting twist. 

But I do firmly believe JH is honest to a fault with every one of his players. And maybe sitting down privately and discussing how their current dilemma is one he struggles with as well does more good than harm? Trusting your coach completely in the moment just might have more value than we suspect.

Maybe as a player: "We're all just passing through. Thank you coach for leveling with me and relating to me as I wrestle with the best decision for me." 

Or maybe I'm an idiot. I'll deal with either conclusion. 

(Context: posts below about The Don)

smitty1233

January 17th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^

Current U of M rostered players maybe.... Future U of M non rostered recruits probably not.... 

I personally don't have a problem with it. Ideally this new contract ends it for good but I'm not holding my breath..... I'm guessing Santa gave a little and Warde would not... All speculation and until we see the contract won't know. 

ShadowStorm33

January 17th, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^

Current U of M rostered players maybe.... Future U of M non rostered recruits probably not....

Yeah, the issue isn't the current players, it's recruiting. We saw how that impacted recruiting last year and likely nerfed a lot of the benefit of winning the B1G and making the CFP. It's tough to have recruiting success if every offseason is going to be a saga of "will he stay or will he go," given how important relationships are to recruits and that likely many if not most of the schools we're competing with for a given player don't have those same questions regarding stability. You just know coaches like Frames are milking this for all it's worth in negatively recruiting our targets...

BlueKoj

January 17th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^

“I kind of avoided that question because I want him to do what’s best for him. I avoided that question,” Corum said. “I told him I support him in whatever he does, 'cause that’s how I really feel. I support coach with whatever decision he makes.” Blake The Great on Rich Eisen

I think they understand his situation better than fans. But they'll all react in their own ways too. Some will completely understand and support him. Others may feel quite differently. Parents too. 

rc15

January 17th, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^

Harbaugh was clearly trying to get a commitment from the university on NIL and paying assistant coaches. Players and recruits are going to understand and appreciate that. They aren't going to care about some minor flirtation with the NFL clearly used for leverage.

Kentucky.maize

January 17th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^

Really? He didn’t already have enough leverage to just walk if they didn’t do what he wanted without hindering recruiting by interviewing for NFL jobs for the second straight year. The only thing I think is clear is that there is still a part of Jim that wants a super bowl no matter how much he may like coaching Michigan.

bdneely4

January 17th, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^

Who did Jim hinder in recruiting this year by interviewing with any NFL teams?  From what I see, it looks like a Stanford recruit may flip to us for 2023. I also saw a lot of current players make a decision to stay even with Jim’s “flirtation” with the NFL. I think we as fans create more than what is really there most of the time. 

Kentucky.maize

January 17th, 2023 at 8:31 PM ^

Current roster is irrelevant. One four star flipping means a coach interviewing did not have a negative impact? You can look at Davis who would likely already be committed if not for the Jim drama. The biggest indicator is that Michigan has the second best record over the last two years and does not have a top ten class either year. If you can’t deduct that a coach interviewing for other jobs every year is going to have a negative impact on a kid committing for 3-4 years I don’t know what to tell you because you don’t live in reality.

bdneely4

January 18th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^

I didn't say that it would have no impact on recruiting if Harbaugh interviewed for other jobs every year but I will say that I don't think it had much if any impact this year on recruitment.  My guess is JD's recruitment has changed more due to NIL than whatever Harbaugh has done.  This will also probably be the norm for years to come until they put more restrictions and clarity on NIL.

Kevin13

January 17th, 2023 at 7:07 PM ^

The reports from Denver were pretty interesting. Jim called the Broncos owners Monday morning before the news broke and told them his heart is at Michigan and that’s where he wants to stay. The Broncos do not feel like he used them for leverage and there was very strong mutual interest by both parties. They also said it looks like Jim’s new contract will make it very hard for him to leave in the next three years. Will be interesting to see what his contract looks like 

goblue2121

January 17th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

If your goal is to make it to the NFl, which most players envision,  there are not many college coaches that you'd rather play for or get advice from. He's experienced it all first hand and is well respected in NFL circles both as a coach and player. If your playing for financial reasons only and not because you love the game, you're going to clash.

 

Booted Blue in PA

January 17th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^

JH most likely told the players that he was planning to be back, unless some thing unforeseen was to happen.   Unlike the crazy fanbase and media, they took him at his word and were okay with it.

how often do you hear recruits say things like, "I talk to coach Clink all the time, Coach Harbaugh too, they're always checking in with me"?

I'm guessing that JH didn't talk to any recruits any less during the last two weeks than he would have any other time, and he probably told them the same thing.

TickerTape

January 17th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

This isn't a stupid post. What's stupid is the media and fans bringing this up every year. Nobody in the NFL has offered Jim Harbaugh anything since the Niners. Sure someone might talk to him, but it certainly never goes any farther than that. This isn't like a player deciding to go pro, Harbaugh would go pro in five seconds flat if someone offered, but nobody ever does. Let's talk about it again next year though. 

RobSk

January 17th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^

It never ceases to flat out amaze me when people assert things as fact that they can't possibly know. You can't possibly know:

A) What the state of his relationships or discussions with NFL teams over the last 7 years have been. There are probably under 30 people that know that for sure. You aren't one of them.
B) JH's state of mind regarding any of those discussions. To characterize the thinking of a non-idiot as almost any single state over a period of years with regard to an enormous range of potential situations is just absurd. Not just because you don't know (which you don't), but because much like any person, that state of mind changes based on all sorts of variables. 

So while I'm amazed often at the absurdity of bad posts on mgoblog and elsewhere, you actually spurred me to comment on it. Rarely does it sink to those depths. Well done sir.

     Rob

willirwin1778

January 17th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

You are not an idiot.

I actually think Jim Harbaugh's and John Harbaugh's direct longtime connection to the NFL is an incredible asset for the Michigan program.  

I don't know why people don't discuss it more often.  They seem to know practically everybody in the league.

Blinkin

January 17th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

I think it depends on the player.  But most of them are probably aware that "coaching stability" isn't really a guarantee anywhere.  Sure, not every college coach publicly "flirts" with the NFL each year, but almost all of them would go abruptly and without a 2nd thought the instant they got a job offer.  A good portion of them will jump to another college program for a pay raise with little or no warning - look at Riley and Kelly last year.  The only real difference with Harbaugh is that he's actually plausible to GET an NFL offer, as someone who had real success in that league previously. 

stephenrjking

January 17th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

I’m sure it causes uncertainty, but it clearly isn’t burning down the existing roster. A flurry of guys that could have been drafted announced that they were staying and a bunch of transfers committed, all before the tweets last night.

Thats not to say there aren’t some negative effects. Some think this just destroys recruiting; I don’t think it’s quite as bad, but it’s not exactly optimal.

But Harbaugh is also a pretty straight shooter and I think the OP’s suggestion that the players see this and understand it based on their own experiences is a very good point. 

charblue.

January 17th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^

I think the players act accordingly around their coach with respect and honesty. And I expect that they get that back in return. 

You got an indication with Corum's announcement last week that he was returning for another season, that he didn't address the question of his coach's future before letting him know his. And it ultimately didn't factor into his final decision. 

Was Harbaugh actually planning to leave or was he simply giving the impression he might without informing anyone, let alone his players, because it only mattered if he did so? I have no answer for that other than his past behavior in honoring contracts and being forthright about his NFL intentions.

I think his kabuki theater act is only meaningful if you disregard the team-building that Harbaugh and his players claimed drove them and their connection to each other last season. 

If that's the case, then why give up a good thing without knowing whether you can't get it all back. Harbaugh hasn't given anyone but doubters the idea that he would leave. El Dorado or steak knives, the players are all in on this year's sales competition. Maybe their coach will follow after he signs on the line which is dotted. 

 

bronxblue

January 17th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^

Harbaugh seems "real" almost to a fault, which is why this year him telling recruits he planned on being back at UM felt genuine.  Last year he was telling guys he was looking at the NFL; this year felt more like "I want a better contract so I'm going to use leverage from NFL openings".  Seems like the players respect that about him and that's enough for them.  I think as fans we feel more powerless because the dynamic is one-direction; we don't interact with the coaches or players outside of Saturdays so it feels like sudden changes in behavior hit harder.

MGlobules

January 17th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^

Of course. Personally, I just don't see why the guy looking around at his options when he's at the height of his career and value is really objectionable or even too much of my business. 

willirwin1778

January 17th, 2023 at 5:22 PM ^

Man, I swear it is getting really hard to troll Harbaugh with a straight face.  I welcome anyone to try.

The guy is arguably one of the best football coaches ever, full stop, in terms of turning around numerous programs and taking them to the highest level multiple times.  I can't say I have seen any other coaches do it that often.  Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Vermeil, Reid, Shula, Pete Carroll.  Jim Harbaugh is on that list and probably at the top if you factor in the number of programs he guided to the top.    

His one questionable season was during a full blown isolation pandemic, which is basically a toss out anyways.      

 

BlueHills

January 17th, 2023 at 6:32 PM ^

It's my honest feeling that Harbaugh is the most talented coach Michigan has had since Yost, Kripke, Crisler and Oosterbann. That includes Bo, who took over the program when Michigan was in the hunt for a big Ten Championship the previous year (1968), and had gone to the Rose Bowl in 1965. Don't get me wrong, I loved Bo. He was great.

Nonetheless, Michigan had a longer way to go to return to prominence than Iowa and Wisconsin, who are in a weaker division, or Penn State, who did OK under BOB and Frames.

Michigan's previous two coaches were relatively helpless. The 2011 anomaly under Brady Hoke was (to my way of thinking) 100% about Denard Robinson, and not about Hoke, who proved himself relatively incapable.

We're lucky to have Harbaugh, even through the ups and downs.