Discussion:former NBA players and their college head coaching results

Submitted by Jordan2323 on January 21st, 2022 at 5:57 PM

A lot has been talked about with Michigan’s struggles in hoops this season. Thought I’d dig up some records on former NBA players coaching college lately. There are others but I’m hitting the ones that I remember growing up and more recent  

Juwan Howard-Michigan                    50-24
Aaron McKie-Temple                          29-34                               
Jerry Stackhouse-Vandy                     30-44                              
Penny Hardaway-Memphis                 72-40                              
Patrick Ewing-Georgetown                  68-68                              
Hubert Davis-North Carolina                12-5                                
Mike Woodson-Indiana                        14-4                                
Danny Manning-Tulsa, WF, Mary.        120-146          
Fred Hoiberg-Iowa St, Neb                  135-114              
Clyde Drexler-Houston                        19-39                            
Donyell Marshall-Central Conn            40-104
Terry Porter-Portland                            43-104    
Damon Stoudamire- Pacific                  71-77  
Bobby Hurley-Buffalo, Ariz St               152-112
Johnny Dawkins-Stan, UCF                  261-180             
Lindsey Hunter-Miss Valley St               5-48

Total record is                                     1116-1143

Some of the ones above are in their first few years or less. Some coach or coached at really low profile programs. Some had success at certain schools and not others like Hoiberg at Iowa St vs Nebraska. Penny has a decent record but hasn’t made the tournament yet with a lot of talent. Some flamed out early like Drexler, Hunter, and Marshall. Juwan had early success like Davis and Woodson are this year. Overall, not great success so far for the NBA turned college head coaches. 

MaizeBlueA2

January 21st, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^

I honestly don't think you'll find anything that you can take from this other than maybe coaches are more likely to take bad jobs at their alma maters.

There's no conclusion you can draw that says coaching at your alma mater is better or worse than coaching anywhere else. Every situation is different and if you take 17 random coaches from around the country...you're probably going to end up with a record closer to .500 than any extreme.

Interesting data, but I'd leave it as just that...data.

blueheron

January 21st, 2022 at 6:26 PM ^

Thanks for making that list.

I think guys like Hubert Davis should have an asterisk (or something) next to their name. UNC still recruits itself and the degree of difficulty will always be a little lower there.

MGlobules

January 21st, 2022 at 6:29 PM ^

Tony Bennett? Won an NC just a short time ago. Has a lot of wins at UVA. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Lotta less-regarded NBA players have gone on to coach at HBCUs, too, which might send your winning percentages in the other direction. 

Unfortunately, when we have this conversation I fear that the subject is really Black coaches. At least it has been when I've seen it; and almost always derisory (as in, "all these former players suck.") From there to 'they don't know how much hard work NCAA coaching really entails' (where I've seen this convo go on various occasions) is. . . a little messy. 

You need to have a comprehensive list to even begin to pretend that computing their winning percentages is meaningful. 

OuldSod

January 21st, 2022 at 6:37 PM ^

With a large enough sample size, NBA players turned coaches should be close to 0.500 . There is no reason to expect playing in the NBA equates to being a better coach.  If anything it's a negative because it's a few years playing that others spend coaching or becoming a coach. Occasionally it may be a recruiting advantage, but that is time and location limited. I'll change my mind if the data show otherwise. 

There are also many D2&3 players who never sniff the NBA due to athletic limits but have high leadership and basketball acumen, as well as the D1 players who don't make the league. Many become coaches. It's a deep and talented pool making it difficult to outperform. 

SFBlue

January 21st, 2022 at 7:25 PM ^

Many of these guys have college assistant coaching experience, or legendary status as a college player, as the relevant credential and just happened to play in the NBA (Dawkins, Davis, Hurley, Hoiberg, Manning). 

I would add Kevin Ollie to the discussion. 127-79 at UCONN. Won an NCAA title. Very successful but also not hired by another college program.

It's hard to get a job in Division I NCAA and even harder to win. It seems to me that these opportunities have only recently become accessible to former NBA guys who have not paid their dues at either a smaller program or another top college program. 

The data changes quite a bit if you add Steve Alford (629-326). I suspect if you compared former NBA guys to any control group in a statistically valid way (adjusting for historic winning % prior arrival) you would find very similar records overall. Perception is driven more by the lack of success of high profile former NBA guys, which is a common (flawed) heuristic. 

Macenblu

January 21st, 2022 at 9:07 PM ^

Larry Brown did ok as a former NBA player turned college coach. And then pro coach.  And then college coach.  Well, you get the idea.

Chris Mullin (not on your list) not so much

Swayze Howell Sheen

January 22nd, 2022 at 1:55 PM ^

Sorted by win percentage:

Mike      Woodson     Indiana                   14   4    77.78
Hubert   Davis       NorthCarolina            12   5    70.59
Juwan    Howard      Michigan               50   24   67.57
Penny    Hardaway    Memphis             72   40   64.29
Johnny   Dawkins     Stan,UCF          261  180  59.18
Bobby    Hurley      Buffalo,ArizSt       152  112  57.58
Fred       Hoiberg     IowaSt,Neb         135  114  54.22
Patrick   Ewing       Georgetown           68   68   50.00
Damon   Stoudamire  Pacific                71   77   47.97
Aaron     McKie       Temple                  29   34   46.03
Danny    Manning     Tulsa,WF,Mary.  120  146  45.11
Jerry     Stackhouse  Vandy                  30   44   40.54
Clyde     Drexler     Houston                 19   39   32.76
Terry      Porter      Portland                  43   104  29.25
Donyell  Marshall    CentralConn         40   104  27.78
Lindsey  Hunter      MissValleySt           5    48   9.43