Devin Gardner to Lloyd Carr?
I would imagine Bolden might be a bigger target (than he is currently, not necessarily bigger than Gardner), but I think he would have pursued Gardner just like he went after Antonio Bass. I don't know if it would have been as effective, though.
I would guess that we wouldn't have gotten him.
Carr would certainly have been in the mix for anyone in the Elite 11 -- at this point Mallett would have been entering his junior year, with his only backup a virtually unused Steven Threet, a redshirt sophomore.
That would leave plenty of room for a big-time recruit to come in, sit behind Mallett for a season or two (depending on if Mallett bolts for the NFL), then be in the driver's seat to start.
if Carr was still the coach. From everything that I knew about the kid and heard from people that knew him was that he was an all around cocky guy who didn't fit in with the team and was homesick all throughout his first year.
He had himself half way out the door before Carr even left
Carr was ready to kick Mallet's ass all the way back to Arkansas.
Carr had to talk Mallett into staying halfway through the 2007 season, IIRC.
Mallett was gone; RR just provided a convenient excuse.
I think Mallet would still be our starting QB. DG would likely be headed down south
would have had no effect on Gardner's supposed recruitment. Mallett's eligibility would have been done after 2010. Gardner would have either been a true freshman or a redshirt.
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I agree with you, but I think you misread Edelman's post. I think his two sentences were independent, not that DG would go down south because Mallett was here. More that Mallett would still be here because Carr was here. DG would go down south, also because Carr was here.
Gardner does not fit the offensive system that Lloyd and DeBord ran. I think Bass was recruited more as an athlete and change of pace QB. I don't think Bass would've started under Lloyd.
Debord have survived the inevitable heat placed upon him with the lack of offensive effectiveness, given past 5/6 years???? I think not.
Bass would definitely have started under Carr - but at WR. He was considered by everyone not named John L. Smith to be a WR recruit (and most people believed Smith was lying when he promised him a shot at QB). His passing numbers in HS were horrible. Since his injury, a lot of people have engaged in revisionism and claimed that he was going to play QB here. He was not going to. He was no more of a college-level QB than Steve Breaston was.
meant to say Bass would not have started at QB under Lloyd. And I think Lloyd would've recruited Gardner as a WR, not a QB. And I doubt Gardner would've considered Michigan at that point. My guess is Gardner would've probably ended up at OSU to succeed Pryor, since OSU (I think) was his favorite team growing up.
I'm sure Gardner would've gone elsewhere with our targets more focused on Bolden and Boisture... We'd be looking pretty solid right now with Mallett at the helm and Les Miles as our coach.... too bad Martin can't answer the phone
Oh, another person who (wrongly) assumes Mallett would've stayed if Les had been the guy...
OMGinsiderZ!
I wonder how Bo would have reacted if Mallet yelled at him on the sidelines???? That would have been an interesting scene to watch play out.
I would lol.
gardner or bolden would have come to UM under LC they would have gotten about as much of a shot at playing QB as jermaine gonzales and bass got. if you remember correctly the few times that bass came into the game you already knew what the play was going to be: either run left, or run right. and i can't remember how many passes gonzales threw but i do remember bitching at navarre and screaming that jermaine should be in the game.
before this year when was the last time michigan had a true running threat at QB??? i'm going to say 1988 when we had brown and taylor. then after michigan started the pocket passer era. sure we had a couple athletes throw the ball: henson and drisbach(sp?) but that was it. i think i read it in hail to the victors 2008 that jason forcier transfered out because he felt that michigan was never going to take advantage of his running abilities.
Was a terrific quarterback and guard for OLSM in high school, at U-M he was utilized as a receiver and punt returner with the occasional "trickeration" downfield pass. I imagine that would have been the extent of Mr. Gardners use in that offense
safety... he played it on the 97 team, even got a pick in the state game thay year. you are right though he was a great athlete in high school. but when he got to michigan he became a "role" player.
lived on my hall Freshman year. Great guy. I lived next door to Griese and down the hall from Ty Law and those two were, how shall I say, confident. Diallo was really cool though and even gave me a suit he had outgrown due to college level weight lifting.
Actually, DiAllo Johnson came to Michigan as a QB. He was in the same class as Tom Brady, and fell behind him in the depth chart, prompting him to switch to safety as a redshirt frosh, and later to WR.
LOTS of QBs sit their freshman and sophomore years, even really talented ones.
Why do people assume every single high profile QB is some prima donna douche that will DEMAND the starting job for 4 years? 4 year starters are the exception, not the rule, in college football. A guy two years ahead of them on the depth chart won't scare them away.
demand playing time but they can leverage it. isn't that what henson did to LC? first henson tells carr that he'll come to michigan as long as he doesn't recruit another QB in his class and then in his freshmen and soph years carr felt the need to play him. i would almost have to say that he played him because the thought of him bolting for baseball after either one of those years was there.
How quickly we forget* about what Vince Young and Troy Smith and Armanti Edwards did to us.
If we had a shot at "opening up" the offense and getting a quarterback that would help do to other teams what they did to us, I think Lloyd would have jumped at it.
* (Of course I'm still pretty sure those games never happened.)
* (Of course I'm still pretty sure those games never happened.)
...Seriously? You think Lloyd was flexible with his offensive preferences?
Seriously, Bo was more flexable than Lloyd.
Gardner is more of a QB recruit than Bass was. Carr most likely would have offered him a shot at QB as a freshman, but would have planned to asked him to switch to WR if it didn't work out. It's not likely that he would have changed the offense from its pro-style system, though.
the dead horse
Only because coach Carr preferred true drop back passers. I suspect Mallett would have been gone either way so that would not have played a role.