DB Coach?
Now that his season is over, who thinks Brady's brother, Jon, will give us a look? Even with Mattison, I think it's important we have someone in place to get commits from McClure and Raven (and Countess' confirmation for that matter). Who are the other candidates?
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 PM ^
Well, if there's anything we've learned over the past several years at Michigan, it's that every job is safe. Just ask Ron English, Erik Campbell, Scott Shafer, Jay Hopson, Rich Rodriguez, Tony Gibson, Bruce Tall, Greg Robinson, Greg Frey, Tony Dews, Calvin Magee, Rod Smith, and Adam Braithwaite.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 PM ^
Did you enjoy the theater?
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:31 PM ^
and sad...
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:32 PM ^
Your example is well taken, but a brand new staff is likley going to have at least three years of job security. Position coaches will almost certainly be garenteed more than one year, becuase they can blame the old staff for their current deficencies.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:37 PM ^
Every staff at every school is subject to review at the end of each season (or in the middle of it). There are very few exceptions, save maybe Joe Paterno and some other great coaches.
Scott Shafer was fired after one season.
Jay Hopson was fired after two.
Everyone else was fired after three.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^
I agree with everything you said, however; barring an absolute disater Hoke will not be fired in less than three years. It would be an unlikely scenerio that would result in him firing his brother quickly.
I think this is a unique situation - one that would provide some security for a DB position coach. No matter the product after the first year, we should see improvment (maybe jjust becuase of player development / maturing). However, Hoke will get at least three years at head coach.... if he can convince his brother to come over, i have a hard time believing that he would quickly get the axe, just my opninion.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 PM ^
While I agree with you, i also think that his brother really does not want to come back to college. It is known (at least I think it is) that he does not like to recruit or that side of the job.
When I look at "the other Hoke" I think that he is much more comfortable coaching professionals and refining their trade, rather than turning a raw prospect into a serviceable player. I could be wrong, but I think some coaches prefer college over pro's, as well as vice versa.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 PM ^
Hoke gets the "Michigan Man exemption:" five years to win nine games. If DB stays that long instead of staying just long enough to build a resume as a "man of action" and subsequently leaving to pursue his politial ambitions, there is no way he will admit he was wrong with this hire.
That's why I hope he really does well; I don't want to be stuck cheering for a shitty team for the next five years, and I've been a Michigan fan way too long to jump ship. If Hoke doesn't get the job done, we're all pretty much fucked.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 PM ^
How long Tater?.......with me it's been since 69
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
RR did not bring us back to where we wanted to be, and now should Hoke not get the job done we are headed for the boonies for another 3-5 years.
Sure hope Hoke and Mattison and rest get us back to contending for Big 10 championships at the very least. All we can do now is wait and see!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 PM ^
3 years ago when RR was hired. You never know for sure, so we have to wait and see what happens.
January 24th, 2011 at 8:49 AM ^
you may very well be right, but this is exactly the reason I DON'T want Hoke #2 as the DB coach. The last thing UM needs is the HC's brother to be coaching the Db's (probably the position that needs the most coaching and development at this point). As you stated, they are family and he is likely to get a free pass regardless of how well he does simply because he is his brother.
I can only base this off the relationship I have with my brother (which obviously doesn't correlate 100% to the Hoke's), but I would have a very hard time firing my brother regardless of the job he did. I don't think this is a situation we would want to put our head coach in, but that is just my opinion...
January 24th, 2011 at 9:04 AM ^
Bingo. It's hard to fire family. Not saying he will do a bad job, but he seems to have a stumbling block that may prevent him from being successful, he doesn't like to recruit.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 PM ^
They weren't all fired for the hell of it, you know.
I mean, if your reasoning is he won't come because he could get fired--well we'll probably not get anyone to fill that position.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
No, that's not my point at all. My point (in response to an above poster) is that coaches get fired all the time. Part of being a coach at the college/NFL level is not knowing if you'll have a job next year. Those guys I mentioned were all fired in a short amount of time compared people in most careers, and just like Jon Hoke might be concerned about getting fired from the Bears, he wouldn't be safe from getting fired from Michigan, either.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 PM ^
Does the thought of any potential lockout come into play with guys like Jon Hoke, though?
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 PM ^
In 2007, I could have responded with "Andy Moeller" and countered you somewhat effectively. Alas, it is no longer 2007.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 PM ^
Where did you hear this? He said publicly that he did not want the job.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 PM ^
I'd be surprised if UM didn't get an established DB coach. Maybe Jay Hoke, but it sounds like he's not interested. Brown would be huge, but however they go they'll need to grab a guy with some experience and (hopefully) a little youngish.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 PM ^
I never wanna hear the words "young" and "DB" in the same sentence ever again.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:32 PM ^
I don't get it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^
whose the d line coach?
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 PM ^
Some guys named Hoke and Mattison? I hope they're ok.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 PM ^
Brady Mattison.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 PM ^
Actually, its Greg Hoke. Its been confirmed on Twitter...
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 PM ^
Instead of negging you, Mattison and Brady Hoke are very well versed in defensive line coaching.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^
Does that mean we get another O coach? Would love to get a QB coach and some recruiting help on that side.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 PM ^
You're right, I'm not sure on this. I would love to see Lefty come back home.
I'm actually pretty unsure on what coaches we still need. I know its DB, but what else?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 PM ^
No, we've got coaches for WR, TE, OL, and RB, plus Borges (who will likely be the QB coach). That's 5 offensive coaches already, plus Brady Hoke (who probably won't coach a position).
That means there are 4 spots for defense, including the coordinator.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:51 PM ^
I am not sure we can find a better D line coach than Mattison or Hoke, I know Hoke probably won't coach a position and Mattison has to game plan. Maybe Brian is right, all we need is a guy to really recruit.
Does it seem like we lack a top offensive recruiter. I look at Loeffler and I don't know if he was a good coach, but he seem to have a rep for working with QB's. I remember an interview which Tebow said he visited and thought about Michigan because of Loeffler. It seems we need someone like that for the O. I have no idea about Funk or Ferrigno and I think Brian mentioned that Borges doesn't really recruit. I know we should have a balance in coaches but interested in knowing what others think.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
But Hoke WAS the defensive line coach at SDSU along with his HC duties.
Different animal at UM, I know. Just sayin'
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 PM ^
coaching at a smaller school in Ohio or other MAC territory that knows high school coaches and will help with recruiting etc....
Nothing wrong with having some diversity in age and others aspects on the staff.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 PM ^
dodn;t you see Brian's post? We need black coaches.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:52 PM ^
What is the expected timetable for hiring the last two coaches (DB and DL), anyway? In the next few days?
January 24th, 2011 at 11:28 AM ^
Who will be the d line coach and DB coach? I really want to know lol
EDIT:Who you guys "think" will be?>
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:56 PM ^
Ty Law? He played in the NFL for 15 years. He has three Super Bowl Rings and played on some great defenses during his career. He, Mattison, and Hoke could sure up this lousy defense in a hurry and put a scare into the conference.
January 24th, 2011 at 12:53 AM ^
Being a great player does not automatically make you into a good coach.
January 24th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
I would be extremely surprised if Ty Law is even being considered. I don't think he has any coaching experience (i know he works with some NFL corners so I'm not counting that) and it would shock me if they hired someone with no coaching experience to take the job.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:08 PM ^
He could be DC in waiting?
January 24th, 2011 at 10:29 AM ^
I don't know why you are getting negged for that, as this is something that I've thrown out there as well.
January 24th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^
Bouje always gets negged, it's tradition and science. Once you add in this comeback from the banhammer without even making an adequate attempt at hiding his identity, he'll get negged for absolutely anything.
January 24th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^
I am hoping for Terryl Austin or Corwin Brown - although I don't believe we should expect either of these* guys to get the job as I feel they would have been announced already if they were taking the job.
I think either one of these guys would be another great hire by Hoke. Keeping my fingers crossed that I am wrong and one of them are announced in the next couple of days!
January 24th, 2011 at 2:30 AM ^
Cornflakes what are you wait for my friend?