Day 1 Draft Grades are out - Lions dont score very well

Submitted by mGrowOld on April 28th, 2023 at 11:15 AM

Well it's time for people to evaluate the first round of the draft and give their "grades" to the respective picks.  Basically it's a chance for the talking heads to compare where they thought a player would get selected vs where the player actually got picked.  Players picked higher than the talking head thought they'd go equals a bad pick and players picked lower than projected equals a good pick.

That being said virtually nobody liked the Lions pick of Gibbs while most were ok with Campbell.

NFL.com graded the Lions as a C- (tied with Miami for lowest score)

PFF graded both Gibbs & Campbell as "below average" picks

CBS Sports gave the Gibbs pick a D and Campbell an A-

The Athletic  gave the Gibbs pick an F and Campbell a B

Bleacher Report gave the Gibbs pick a D and Campbell a B

Do you agree with these grades?  FWIW I wanted the Lions to take Robinson with the 6th pick so I like the idea of a RB (even though everyone's crushing the Falcons for taking him so high) but I'm really not sure about Gibbs at 12.  IMO he would've probably been available in the 2nd round and would've definitely been there at 18 so I think the Lions missed a big opportunity to improve their DL last night.

Michigan Realist

April 28th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^

Anyone who gives Gibbs an F or D or even a C is a freaking moron. 
 

Gibbs will be a star - Swift can’t carry Gibbs jock. 
 

 

M_Born M_Believer

April 28th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^

One of your said RB is in the last year of his rookie contract and quite frankly is not worth having to pay a 2nd contract for.  So your point is invalid.  Take a better option, put him on a 5 year rookie contract and save on the salary cap.

Its not that difficult to follow here.  This is NOT Madden football where you can stack you lineup with All Pros at every position.

Do I like Swift, yes..

Was I happy when the Lions drafted him... Somewhat (I would have preferred J Taylor)

But he has been unable to make it through a season with out getting dinged up and was on the final year of his contract.  The Lions made a decision to move on from him, its that simple and honestly they upgraded with Gibbs...

Gibbs >> Swift... Same rookie salary...

denardogasm

April 28th, 2023 at 9:28 PM ^

The point is they obviously didn't think the talent available on the defensive side was an upgrade over their current players outside of linebacker, which they recognized was even more of a value problem at 12. Given the way they're trading down like it's going out of style it's obvious they think the talent in this draft class is just poor.

M_Born M_Believer

April 28th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^

My guess is a 4th rounder is what they are asking for since they have a gap from 81 to 159 in their picks...

Teams with multiple late 3rd or 4th round picks...

Raider (70, 100, 109) - not too likely

Texans (104 and 105) - possibly

Atlanta (110 and 113)

Cleveland (111 and 126)

Carolina (114 and 132) - possibly

NE (117, 120, and 135) - possibly

Jax (121, 127, and 130)

KC (122 and 134) - possibly

 

Perkis-Size Me

April 28th, 2023 at 11:52 AM ^

Complete wasted pick on Gibbs in the first round, although to be fair I’d say nearly the same thing about Bijan Robinson. You just don’t draft running backs that high in today’s league. You just don’t.

He might end up being really good, but you could’ve waited until 18 to pick him (which would’ve been stupid then as well) and he still would’ve been there. 

Textbook Lions move, but you’ve got the opportunity today to draft Levis and get some first round value in Day 2. That could kinda sorta make up for it. 

blanx

April 28th, 2023 at 11:55 AM ^

I didn't like the picks at all.  I'm generally in favor of trading down, but at 6 there was a world destroying DL available-  Carter from Georgia.  Why not take him?  

King Tot

April 28th, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^

I like both players and Holmes has earned some trust so I am not concerned with what the graders say. It will be interesting to see what they do with their 3 2nd rounders. 

GRBluefan

April 28th, 2023 at 11:59 AM ^

it was just a total case of resource mismanagement.  The players themselves are almost irrelevant.  You basically just spend $1 on something that could have been had for $0.50.  That is how I look at it.   

The Blue Collar

April 28th, 2023 at 11:59 AM ^

The Lions were always going to pick Campbell with the second pick. They tried to trade back a little but had no suitors. But they wanted him, and he wasn't going to be there at 34.

I assume they tried to trade back from 12 a bit, too, but they liked Gibbs better than Robinson (as a few teams did). This pick can't really be "graded" until they pick at 34.

I'm fine with both picks (it's not what I "wanted" but it is what they wanted). This team was heading into the season favored to win their division and both picks make them better. Still a lot of draft to go.

Blue In NC

April 28th, 2023 at 12:06 PM ^

"But they wanted him, and he wasn't going to be there at 34"

Do you have any source for that?  I understand there's no certainty here but everything I have seen indicated that he likely would be there at 34 and likely was a mid to late 2nd round guy.  Or even trade 18 down into late first and get another pick.

gobluem

April 28th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^

he’s being mocked as high as 25th overall to the New York Giants. That’s where Walter Football and Draftwire have him going.

Other potential early landing spots include 27th to the Buffalo Bills (per the LA TimesSporting News and Fantom Sports), 26th to the Dallas Cowboys and 32nd to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Wherever he lands, Campbell is sure provide an instant impact to any locker room and any linebacking group. Look for him to become a staple of some organization for years to come.

 

 

Lots of late 1st mocks

 

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/jack-campbell 

Mich1993

April 28th, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

I've been a Lions fan plenty long enough to be skeptical, but my take is they just drafted two players that are very likely to be major contributors next year.  That seems pretty good to me. 

Could they have traded down and still gotten them, maybe, but I'll take it.

FrankX

April 28th, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

I like the players they got.  Moreover, I like that the Lions like the players they got.

That being said, Get the Pitt DT or Mazi at 12, Campbell at 18, and Gibbs would most likely still be there at 34.  The DT is needed piece of the current defense.  Campbell is guy that will make a world of difference for years.  (Corum made a lot of people lot bad on a play or two.)  Gibbs will be the Swift we wish swift was or better, but drafting a future RB was not as important as a high level DT for this season.

Blue Middle

April 28th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^

I think Gibbs was going at the end of round one.

That doesn't justify picking him at 12, but he's 29 on the consensus big board and his ability to attack as a receiver increases his value.

The DT thing is tough, because there isn't a 1st-round DT I liked.  Carter was a DND for a lot of teams.  Kancey is too small to fix what's broken for our run defense.  Mazi would have been a reach.

There's still time for the Lions to address their needs.  Let's see how the rest of this thing goes.

Bo Lytle

April 28th, 2023 at 12:02 PM ^

This is why i hate the nfl. The lions are losers. They had their pick at two dynamic defensive lineman and they blew it. Jalen Carter was the slam dunk 

nerv

April 28th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^

Same ol Lions are back. In two hours I lost all faith that had been slowly accrued by the new regime.

Back to being the smartest guys in the room with a 100% different big board than the rest of the league.

RobM_24

April 28th, 2023 at 12:09 PM ^

As a Bears fan, I wasn't happy when the Lions traded down, bc it was a great move. My initial reaction when I saw the number of premium picks they aggregated was "holy shit, the Lions are going to be loaded". After their first two picks, I felt like the Bears dodged a bullet. Had the Lions taken the top-end corners or edge rushers who were available, I'd have been extremely jealous of their picks/team. With them taking a stack linebacker and a 3rd RB, it almost feels like they didn't do anything -- maybe just very marginally upgraded areas that they were already solid/good at. 

Blue Middle

April 28th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^

I absolutely hated the Lions' draft last night.

This morning I hate it slightly less.

It appears they are building a McCaffrey-like role for Gibbs in the offense.  If they use him to that degree in the running and passing (and maybe return) phases, the value is there.  But he has to be really good to justify that projection.

Jack Campbell?  I don't like taking a LB in round one.  That said, there was a lot of smoke about him getting taken late in round one, and if the Lions really thought he was their guy (which they clearly did) and couldn't trade back (which it sounds like they tried to do) then I get it.

But even understanding the reasoning and potential value, I'd give the Lions a "C" so far.

All that said, Holmes has always made his money later in the draft.  He's got three 2nd-round picks today and a bundle of picks tomorrow.  He could still turn the total haul into an "A" before it's over, but he's playing from behind.

Gohokego

April 28th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^

They took players at 2 positions that most teams don't value as 1st round picks. They're not the premium positions to build a team. Dl and cb would have been better uses. Trade down and accumulate more picks if those are the guys you really wanted.  Both would have been available later. 

leidlein

April 28th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^

I hate the first pick. I don't like the 2nd pick. Both players may turn out to be great. But the position value and where these players were slotted to go really is a head scratcher.

 

If I were the Lions GM at 12 I would have taken Van Ness or Gonzalez. At 18 I would have taken a WR or that G from Florida. I probably still would have gotten Gibbs and Campbell (or an equivalent) on Day 2 if I really felt I needed an RB and LB.

The Blue Collar

April 28th, 2023 at 1:21 PM ^

You must be a pretty deep insider to pick "that G from Florida" without knowing his name.

You're talking about O'Cyrus Torrence, who is still undrafted and might actually be there at 34 instead of hypothetically being there at 34...

And the only WR that had a first round grade for any team (as evidenced by the draft) was Njigba who isn't the type of receiver (X) the Lions need. 

I would not have done the same thing as Holmes, but I'm also not a "he's a GM so he knows better than non-GMs" kind of guy (See Millen, Avila, etc) but just because Holmes did something different than I would have done, doesn't mean he was wrong. Also doesn't mean I would have been wrong. Different strategies can both work.

modaddy21

April 28th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^

Both the Jets and the Pats were eyeing Gibbs in the 1st round.  The Falcons were eyeing Campbell in the 1st as well.

People get hung up on mock drafts written by the media, then get upset at the actual draft.  This doesn't' make a whole lot of sense.  Also, draft grades are dumb, it's literally media grading org's on not following their mocks.  You really can't grade a draft until after a few years.

mGrowOld

April 28th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^

"Both the Jets and the Pats were eyeing Gibbs in the 1st round.  The Falcons were eyeing Campbell in the 1st as well."

Is there any verification of this other than "sources say" that this is true?  I've seen this floated here in this thread but nowhere in the national media do I see that being said.  For all we know the Liions themselves put that out there to save face with the media.

bighouseinmate

April 28th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^

They weren’t flashy picks, but my bet is a couple few years from now they will both be great players. Gibbs, imo, is a much better value than Robinson because of his versatility and Campbell is seriously underrated and has the potential to become as important a defensive player to the lions as urlacher was to the bears over his 13 year career. And this is a perspective from a bears fan.

Team 101

April 28th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^

I haven't heard anyone think that these were good picks - moreso that the players could have been taken later in the draft than they think the players are likely busts.  I look at as we traded a first round pick for a second round pick.  I am concerned that they did not address the secondary when sees like an area of need but am glad they did not take a QB.

The Lions room was high fiving it up after they picked Gibbs like they got the steal of the draft.  I think it is either Same Old Lions or some shockingly new Lions that knows more than everyone else.

OldSchoolWolverine

April 28th, 2023 at 12:35 PM ^

Yahoo sports gave both picks an F. But I like both.  The chatter here  before we played Campbell was a sign he's great.  And Gibbs looks better than Kamara did when coming out.   I did however want Carter. 

ShoelacesFlapp…

April 28th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

The Lions have now drafted six running backs in the first two rounds since 2010. Now that Swift's definitely gone, none of them will have lasted four years with the team. 

Something about this cursed franchise eventually makes every GM lose their logic and reason. Holmes picked a luxury player when the team needed help at every level of the defense. Draft a corner and D tackle and he can still salvage the draft but I can't imagine a worse first day.

SalvatoreQuattro

April 28th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^

The Lions signed two starting caliber CBs and a S/nickel back in CGJ.

They drafted a LB who is an upgrade on defense. They have three second round picks to up grade defense even further.

Gibbs isn’t a luxury pick. Not when Swift is consistently injured and missing holes. He is an upgrade at a key position on offense. 

I can’t imagine a more poorly informed post about the Lions than what you just wrote. You not only ignored the Lions free agent signings you call a pass catching RB in an offense that emphasizes the run and short passing a “luxury pick”. Astonishing.

UMfan21

April 28th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^

It feels like we traded down thinking we could still get Witherspoon/Bijan/etc and when they got taken off the board we overreacted and took Gibbs a few picks too early so that we didn't entirely whiff on "our guys".

denardogasm

April 28th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^

It's pretty clear Holmes just felt this was a terrible draft.  He's shown he understands positional value in the previous two drafts. This one he decided it's more valuable to get two starters in the first round than it is to get non-starters at "valuable positions." He didn't see anyone left at 6 that was worth the pick, and obviously didn't see anyone worth the pick at 12 or 18 at a more valuable position so he took players they had at the top of the respective positional charts. Time will tell how it works out.  He's not the only one who didn't like Carter obviously, who was by most accounts the best player in the draft so the character concerns must have been pretty compelling. There really weren't any guys at 12 that were SO exciting they just HAD to take them. Picked up an early 2nd, and 2nd round is where the value is in this draft.  Lots of 2nd tier players, very few 1st tier players in this draft class.