this may be of some local interest
David Moorman to Wiscy
I . . . Agree?
EDIT: David Moorman commits to Wisconsin. In my amateur opinion I believe he should have been offered by Michigan. If we don't do well this year I think Hoke is on the hot seat. We cannot afford another year of frustrating OL play.
Someone should contact the NFL and let them know those lowly Wisconsin OL they've been drafting for years now are below Michigan's exacting standards.
Wisconsin currently has 6 OL in the NFL
Michigan currently has 6 OL in the NFL.
That doesn't include Molk. That doesn't include the group of at least three that just retired. That doesn't include the two that will be there in less than a week.
Now say what you will about how it hasn't been "this staff" that has produced Michigan's talent in the NFL, but it hasn't been "this staff" at Wisconsin either. Both schools are well known for producing OL by NFL standards.
Tooled by Space Coyote there. #actualanalysis #facts?
I think my comment was taken the wrong way. I didn't mean to compare the amount of Michigan OL to Wisconsin OL.
The OP merely insinuated that Wisconsin OL, which has been a solid position group over the years, are "beneath" Michigan. I hate that elitsm / arrogance in our fanbase.
That's not at all what he said. I think you missed some pretty blatant sarcasm.
I haven't seen elitism in this thread at all. I hope our coaches are smart enough to make their own decisions on talent instead of running around offering because other schools do.
Hmm...maybe I was the one that missed it.
we could use him as a grad assistant.
That means a lot coming from someone who has the writing skills of a second grader.
No. Jack's wife Jackie Harbaugh. This fucker is on to something.
Michigan's struggles on the OL certainly would not be helped in the near future, let alone probably at all by Moorman until after Michigan's current group of players graduated.
Moorman has a ton of work to do. He would come in extremely raw and take a lot of work to get to a point where he would be able to play OL at Michigan. Not only is his technique pretty bad (a lot of HS kids have bad technique, that's not necessarily a shot), but his footwork is currently not up to par. That is why not only has Michigan not offered, but MSU hasn't either.
I wrote on an MSU message board a couple weeks ago:
"Moorman may get an offer after Summer, but frankly, MSU is in on some higher players on their board. The biggest concern I'd have with Moorman are his feet. He has decent size, technique is all over the place, but that's typical from a high school player from a small school, and he has good tenacity, but I think there are just serious concerns about where he fits along the offensive line and if he has the feet to move well enough at the next level. I think that's probably why the coaches want to see him camp, to see if he's really being held back by some technique, or if he just isn't as nimble footed as you'd like.
I think if he ends up at MSU he most likely ends up inside at OG. I think the upside there is probably Dan France without the option of really flipping him out to OT in a pinch.
I do want to make sure to clarify one thing here though: Moorman is a good recruit and there is a reason the coaching staff is following him and wanting him to camp. If I was a MAC team I'd have an offer out to him. If I was a lower level B1G team (say Purdue or Illinois) I'd have an offer out to him in hopes that gets him to camp and you have an inside edge if things look good there. He does have some skill, and he does appear to have the tenacity aspect down. But on film, I don't see the footwork I'd like to see at a mid-to-upper tier B1G school."
So basically, you can snark and be debbie downer about Wisconsin (who isn't the same Wisconsin staff anymore, by any stretch of the imagination, that made a Wiscy OL offer a great offer) picking up a kid that, at this point, does not look like a Michigan or MSU caliber recruit. And you can talk this and that about the OL's struggles this year, but that has nothing to do with Moorman committing anywhere, and likely has little to nothing to do with any O-lineman in this class.
Threw the book at the guy with this one.
It's a problem, I know.
But this post, about a player Michigan didn't offer, could have and should have read something like:
"David Moorman, a recruit from Michigan, committed to Wisconsin. Michigan was looking to see him camp this summer but had not extended an offer."
It then could have added some opinion in a decent way, such as:
"I would have liked to have seen Michigan offer Moorman. I think he'll be a good lineman. Wisconsin has a pretty good history of producing OL and I hope this doesn't come back to bite us down the road."
You can agree or disagree on the opinion part, it's an opinion after all. I'd disagree with the first part, and be non-committal on the second. But at least then the OP wouldn't come off, well, like he does.
To each his own, but FWIW I'm on your side to the point of an upvote. Prefer your approach to the OP khasdlkfjhwaeiunweclkjansfewakjf everywhere.
Thank you for your analysis on OP
Thanks you Space Coyote, Voice of reason.
To be honest, folks have a funny way of showing their diagreement around here.
Yes, because Wisconsin knows all about recruiting future NFL caliber O-Line prospects while Michigan knows nothing.
Jake Long, Taylor Lewan, Maurice Williams, Steve Hutchinson, Jeff Backus, Jonathan Goodwin, David Baas, and around 50 other guys.
Well.....Dave Molk. Lewan and Schofield this year. Keep in mind RR considered recruiting OLine prospects optional.
recruited 2 of the 3 you mentioned and helped make Molk. That Jake Fisher kid that verballed to RR isn't doing to bad (unfortunately at Oregon). Posada quitting and Bryant and Pace going the medical route didn't help. His Oline recruiting may not have been where it needed to be numbers wise but RS freshman Lewan was superior to anything we've seen out of the current regime and RS soph Schofield was to though if someone improves dramatically this year they may measure up to Michael.
"May or May Not" re O-Line numbers
Black hole of depth starting a god damned true freshman and a RS freshman last year...but RR may have recruited the line okay?
Well, a First-rounder, possibly Top-10 pick tomorrow, with another pick somewhere in the 4-7th round.
Co-signed Gabe Carimi.
/disgruntled Bears fan
What is this shit?
What do we know about Gary Anderson OL recruiting? He has a totally different staff than the one before him.
...so we win.
with a guy named David Moorman.
I see what you did there
This post doesn't even make sense. This kid wouldn't help us at all right now. Also, we are recruiting higher ranked OL. I don't see the reason for the negative undertones.
Because it's the popular thing to do among to the lazy facet of the fan base.
The OP hurts my eyes to read.
Seriously, there are about 10-20 posters on here who are so bitchy and redundant that it makes a lot of these offseason threads almost unreadable.
85% of these off-season threads are worthless. Thank God I have the NBA Playoffs and baseball to keep me occupied.
Agree to all. Most topics in the past month should be combined into a thread titled "Miscellaneous Random Shit That Isn't Particularly Important."
I don't know about you guys but I've had it with this staff. Will someone retire Fred Jackson please.
Thanks for the extremely relevant, insightful, tastefully delivered comment. I look forward to your future posts.
I don't like losing but a lot of michigan fans are cool with it I guess.
shut up! Bitch on another board.
Now there's an idea I can get behind.
Wiscy is by far his best offer. Next best are Illinois and Minnesota. MAC schools round it out. Doesn't mean he won't be good, but M isn't the only team holding off.
Sometimes you take the local kid who wants to be a Wolverine. Seems we are neglecting instate recruiting, that is not smart IMO.
Also, Josh Alabi named his top 3, MSU, Wisconsin, and Tennessee. We didn't make the cut and reportedly this kid's whole family was pushing him here.
alabi? no thanks.
i dont agree with a lot of hokes decisions but still have to maintain some confidence in his recruiting evals and practices while hes here. and they did not have this kid anywhere near the top of their board at DT. they cant just jump all over local kids who might be marginal prospects in their eyes, doubly so in years with smaller classes like 2015. hopefully these comments regarding the need to lock down average local talent that appears to be fairly low on coaches board (ie jayru campbell, alabi, moorman, etc) do not come from the same snobby faction of fans constantly bitching about winning big while never losing that elitist mentality. they need to build a deep roster of freak athletes to consistently compete with osu, msu, nd, psu etc and even begin to compete regularly on national basis...and they will never build that dominant roster by blurting "this is um, were harvard with 11 natl titles, etc," and then simply scooping up little peter and paul from around the corner just bc theyre local and bleed blue. if theyre local and also elite talents the coaches have proven theyll sign or seriously try to sign - but keep in mind its meritocracy. i have to give the coaches some room for my mental health, particularly offseason, suggest you do same. fyi - seriously nagging posters over grammar and punctuation just oozes elitist um tude
Alibi stinks , I've seen him play. He's lazy and slow.
And sits behind some other dudes for two years before his junior year, at best. That's how they do it, that's what would happen here.
This is one of the stranger collection of posts I've read, yet I am guilty for reading every last comment in the absence of actual football news, hoping that I actually found some sliver of football news.
I miss football.
Might want to leave the snark at the door.
The offensive line depth isn't the problem with this team; it's figuring out what they have and if it works for the offense they are going to run. Just recruiting some kid because someone else is as well is a poor mindset and shows the key differene between people paid to do that for a living and fans who have nothing other than their rooting interests on the line.
Wisconsin hasn't always had studs, and there are disappointments on that line like every other team.
we may not be great now, but we've been recruiting great. A #37 OT recruit doesn't belong on Michigan's roster at this point - sorry
A commit to another conference school who we hadn't offered? I know it's May and all, but this is just a thinly veiled thread to bash Hoke and have delusions that an NFL coach will willingly leave his job replace Hoke. Can we have a limit to these kinds of threads? Your collective point has been made.
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I don't see how it's irrelevant. It's an in-state kid who committed to a Big Ten championship contender. I don't agree with the tone of the post, but the topic pertains pretty strongly to Michigan.
Chance Stewart was committed to Wisconsin for a while, too. Then he decommitted and ended up signing with a MAC school.