Dante Moore to flip to MSU?
Saw this on 247Sports that an MSU insider out a 7 level ball to MSU for Dante Moore. First I have heard of this anyone else have info?https://247sports.com/User/Sean%20Scherer/Predictions/?PlayerInstitution.PrimaryPlayerSport.Recruitment.Year=2023&PlayerInstitution.PrimaryPlayerSport.Sport=Football
November 7th, 2022 at 6:33 AM ^
Speech to text didn't quite get my description the best. Anyways just was wondering if this has any merit behind it? He put a 7 on it which is pretty high for this.
I posted this because I thought it was a WTF moment not that I think MSU is going to get him and I follow recruiting and haven't heard anything else and wanted to know if anyone else heard anything. That was it and wanted to see if anyone else heard anything as I don't know why Moore would go to MSU Guess I am confused why I am getting all the negs? Anyways I have learned posting on here we have some bad fans and very negative people.
November 7th, 2022 at 8:31 AM ^
Allen Trieu (chief of 247 Midwest recruiting) said the following in the comment thread:
At present, with King in the playoffs, I think that’s Dante’s primary focus. Last time I talked to him, he was planning to enroll early at Oregon but that was before the Edmundson news.
IMO - once King is out of the playoffs, we’ll get a better read on where things stand.
Bo Edmundson is the 3* Lake Travis TX QB (where Baker Mayfield played) who recently decommitted from MSU.
November 7th, 2022 at 8:42 AM ^
I read a diff article framed as MSU at least mutually parted ways with Edmundson. They seem to think they had reason to do so.
I heard that Tucker paid out a lot of under the table cash to get Walker. I wonder if they are making a big offer to Moore?
November 7th, 2022 at 8:55 AM ^
He had been working to recover from a herniated disk for quite a while
November 7th, 2022 at 9:24 AM ^
NOBODY knew walker was going to blow up at MSU. He wasn't even near the top ranked transfer portal RB's - there is no way he was being paid out a lot under the table. MSU got incredibly lucky. Stop making stupid stuff up.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:31 AM ^
There was a ton of reason to think that Walker was going to be successful.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:48 AM ^
Successful sure but heisman caliber?
November 7th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^
No one was expecting heisman but IIRC Walker was PFF's top ranked returning running back prior to the transfer to MSU. Wake heavily rotates their running backs and he wanted to be the bell cow.
November 9th, 2022 at 9:04 AM ^
Michigan St. called him and bought him.
1. Tampering.
2. Illegal Enticement.
You can't convince me he was in the portal for all of one day and made a commitment to a stranger.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:27 AM ^
He was also in the portal for literally one day. There was most definitely an agreement in place before he entered. That doesn't mean a bunch of money changed hands. However, Walker was certainly tampered with, and I don't think Walker/MSU was a unique case. This is happening everywhere. Welcome to the new college football landscape.
November 7th, 2022 at 11:44 AM ^
my source on that is an in person event many of us MGoBlog supporters attended in the summer of 2021. So stop accusing me of making anything up. And it wasn’t just Walker specifically, it was a lot of recruits and transfers being paid to come to MSU.
The exact comparison I was told is that Mel Tucker is paying a lot more than even Chris Partridge was known to pay higher ranked players at various points in his career. If anyone in charge of this site wants to come on and back me up that they heard that too, then great, and if not oh well. I know what I was told by those on this blog who have that info.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:46 AM ^
Edmundson has been injured this year, so it was mutual. Moore apparently got his family jobs at Nike, so I'm not sure what else Tuck can offer. Maybe $1M cash/ year?
November 7th, 2022 at 12:06 PM ^
Mutual? If I were injured, I don't think I'd back away from a free ride.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:04 AM ^
Am I missing something? In what world would a 5 star QB be scared away from a school because a 3 star is already committed? All this speculation that Moore is now interested in MSU because they now have an opening seems silly. Not to mention all of the other issues with committing to MSU…
November 7th, 2022 at 9:23 AM ^
I think the speculation isn't that Edmundson's departure makes space for Moore, but Moore may have flipped, so MSU no longer has room for Edmundson, leading to the de-commit.
Not saying I believe it or not, but that makes more sense...
November 7th, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^
Sounds like a lot of Sparty wishful thinking.
November 7th, 2022 at 11:47 AM ^
MSU has 12 commits in their class right now; I can't imagine it's a "space" issue especially given how active the portal is every year. I know they took a decently-ranked kid last year but again, if Moore wants to go to your school you make space.
If Moore flips to MSU from Oregon then so be it but it'll be because of something beyond roster configuration.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:25 AM ^
The MSU spin is they basically processed the other QB out of the class for Moore. Not that his decommitting is what caused Moore to re-evaluate
November 7th, 2022 at 9:48 AM ^
As if the only reason MSU would lose interest in a QB with back problems, someone whose rankings have dropped into the 800s, is that they have a 5* recruit that wants his spot.
November 7th, 2022 at 11:00 AM ^
Neither of those is really accurate. Parting ways with Edmundson wasn't related to Moore. His recovery from his back injury was a concern and they decided to move in a different direction. Now we don't have a QB in this class, so why not make another run at Moore while we evaluate other QB prospects?
November 7th, 2022 at 11:46 AM ^
That's the part I never really understood. If it's a "space" issue then you do what every other team in CFB history has done and you tell one of your lower-rated kids he can either gray shirt or look for a spot somewhere else. One of the top 2-3 QBs in the country gets a spot in all cases.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:46 AM ^
If Bo Edmunson had to leave MSU before Dante Moore would consider MSU that doesn’t say much about Dante.
Dante had every chance to go to MSU. It would surprise me if MSU has any chance at a flip.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:38 AM ^
After MSU's criminal behavior two weeks ago and a likely 6-6 record what could possibly make MSU appealing to Moore? The wheels on the bus are coming off.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
Maybe "a Dante Moore soap opera" is just a desperate attempt to slow the attrition of their rapidly sinking recruiting class. Maybe MSU losing his future teammates is cool?
Dante's sign to Hell, in the inferno reads "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" Hot take clue?
November 7th, 2022 at 5:28 PM ^
MSU has nothing but negative news since the ball was kicked off in September. Poor performance on the field, de-commits, suspensions, etc. An MSU insider putting in a CB seems, in my opinion, more like trying to drum up some positive energy in the recruiting world.
ND had crazy momentum, a #1 class and a ‘top 5’ team per the offseason rankings. Moore still turned that down. Seems like he doesn’t have much interest in staying local if ND couldn’t reel him into that class.
Seems unlikely MSU is able to flip him, and hey if they do, good for them. Moore looks like the real deal and it would be cool to watch a local kid without having to stay up until midnight most Saturdays of the season
November 7th, 2022 at 6:12 PM ^
If Moore is softening on his commitment to Oregon, should Michigan try to jump back in to this race?
Would it jeopardize chances with Jadyn Davis? If it might, is it worth it to maybe get Moore and keep him from MSU?
November 7th, 2022 at 6:33 AM ^
Sure. They should just give him 95 million 4 year contract from their "boosters". He is going to choose MSU over Oregon who is in the mix for CFP and Nike is involved.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:08 AM ^
Don’t be silly. Their boosters don’t have $95 million.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:25 AM ^
Not any more.
November 7th, 2022 at 6:35 AM ^
November 7th, 2022 at 6:43 AM ^
Precisely why I'm not a proponent of NIL. Cans of worms opening all over the place.
There has to be a better way to compensate players rather than allowing compensation to coveted players with what is often laundered money.
November 7th, 2022 at 8:02 AM ^
What's so bad in the can of worms? Someone who's working their butt off to generate millions of dollars in revenue is about to get paid. What's wrong with that? Like we never lost a recruit before?
November 7th, 2022 at 9:43 AM ^
Every decent HS football player has worked their butt off to compete. None of them have generated millions of dollars. If they happen to be good enough to play they might contribute to the millions of dollars that are already being generated whether they play or not. I'm for paying players to a large extent, but unless it is a Fab 5 situation, where the players are a special talent above the rest, the players aren't actually generating any of the money.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:13 AM ^
Look up how much these football programs pull in bud.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:50 AM ^
The players are necessary, but they're far from sufficient; it's the schools that drive the revenue. Take any top college team's roster, strip away the college affiliation (and thus the built-in fan support that makes up the vast majority of the market for that team), and see how much it's worth. Hint: your new team--effectively a minor league team--will be worth a tiny fraction of what it was when it had its college affiliation, despite having the exact same roster.
So because the vast majority of the value derives from the college affiliation, I don't see a problem with the vast majority of the revenue going to the colleges.
November 7th, 2022 at 11:54 AM ^
This is such a weird argument to me - a significant portion of fan interest in all athletics (both professional as well as amateur) is derived from off-the-field affiliations. Do you think people would actively watch the Lions, for example, if they didn't have an association with the city of Detroit? The Yankees have fans in the stands because of the pinstripes and the city's history, not because people are dying to see Gerrit Cole pitch.
And I'd argue that the institutions derive a TON of value from the players who played there; strip away the history of success from Alabama, Michigan, OSU, etc. and few people would spend millions to watch them on the field. It's a symbiotic relationship and acting like it's all one direction doesn't make much sense.
November 7th, 2022 at 12:43 PM ^
a significant portion of fan interest in all athletics (both professional as well as amateur) is derived from off-the-field affiliations
I agree, which is why I don't give credence when people say pro athletes don't get a big enough share of the revenue vs the franchises. The athletes are already likely getting a larger percentage than they generate. Sure, there are some instances where people are truly fans of the player instead of the team (oftentimes because of that player's college affiliation). I was a Patriots fan, and am now a Tampa Bay fan, solely because of Brady. But for the most part, fandom of players is driven (or at least initiated) by those players playing for the fan's team.
And I'd argue that the institutions derive a TON of value from the players who played there; strip away the history of success from Alabama, Michigan, OSU, etc. and few people would spend millions to watch them on the field. It's a symbiotic relationship and acting like it's all one direction doesn't make much sense.
One, I think you overstate the value of past success. Yes, past success increases value, but there's plenty of baseline value derived from college and geographic association. More people support historically unsuccessful programs than you imply. Also, success isn't solely tied to players. Plenty more goes into it, such as coaching. Just look at A&M; they have one of the best rosters money can (and did) buy, and they're sitting at 3-6. And it's not like the players weren't getting anything. They were getting tuition, room and board, assistance and support, coaching and training, etc. worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. And now they're getting NIL, which is a huge gift given that the vast majority of players receiving NIL deals are doing so because of their college affiliation. Only a tiny fraction would get that based on their athletic talent alone if you took the college connection away, basically the superstars who shoe companies are trying to lock in for when they turn pro.
November 7th, 2022 at 1:54 PM ^
> The players are necessary, but they're far from sufficient; it's the schools that drive the revenue
I mean with that logic everyone in the economy should just get paid room and board the value of the equipment and services their employers provide. Like, these are adults, some of the players are as old as 25.
These arguments would get called out as straight up communist if you said them about anyone else who isn't a "student-athlete."
November 7th, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^
I mean it literally is a fab 5 situation with the #2 recruit in the country, isn't it?
November 7th, 2022 at 10:16 AM ^
As opposed to *every other* student athletr that "works their butt off" just as much for their respective sports... plus actually need to care about getting a real & usable degree for after college? And some of them also need to pay for school as well, since they aren't on scholarship.
This argument that revenue sport athletes get a raw deal is such a red herring.
November 7th, 2022 at 1:18 PM ^
Come on man, advertisers aren't paying millions of dollars for ads during a swim meet or wrestling match. At the end of the day, for better or worse, millions of dollars, billions of dollars are being spent to watch college football specifically.
Same as people paying millions at a pop concert but they wont pay a tenth of that to go to a classical music concert even if those musicians are extremely talented and hardworking.
There's no good reason an 18 year old star shouldnt get paid while a 22 year old star does, whether its football music or rocket science.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:55 AM ^
Because the goal of college sports is to allow students to pursue an education. Not make a million, flame out in the NFL and then have no job, education, skills (other than their 1 sport). We are screwing a whole generation of young, likely poor kids.
November 7th, 2022 at 12:46 PM ^
Poor? Have you taken a close look at most of these kids? Even the football players on most P5 programs are solid middle class. And football players are probably lower in income than most sports given almost every public school does football. Not so much Crew or Fencing, those take $$ investment by Mom and Dad.
The lower class kids are riskier and require more development are playing at EMU. And they aren't getting any $$ there, under the table or not. This isn't 1995. Are they getting useful degrees there? I have no idea.
November 7th, 2022 at 1:22 PM ^
They're getting a degree, makes no sense to stop them from making money on the side while they pursue their education. You gonna say the theater school students shouldn't be allowed to act in movies while in school too?
November 7th, 2022 at 11:30 AM ^
Football players should absolutely be paid, but they should be paid openly and above board by the universities that employ them as de facto marketing representatives for massive PR/entertainment enterprises.
November 7th, 2022 at 9:30 AM ^
what is often laundered money
Because of arbitrary rules and limits on NIL, if it were truly unlimited it would be out in the open and UM could actually compete with the rule benders and outright cheaters. It's not like paying croots didn't happen before NIL, it was even more secretive and under the table.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:12 AM ^
Waiting for any evidence for your last claim.
November 7th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^
You require evidence to prove that recruits were paid prior to nil? Really? Is it not abundantly clear from the instances when players were caught red handed accepting money bags, such as the fab five?
November 7th, 2022 at 3:28 PM ^
Are you still that ignorant to what happened with the Fab 5?
The Fab 5 were accepting money bags?
Do share your infinite wisdom.
November 7th, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^
https://www.si.com/college/usc/football/lendale-white-says-he-found-bag-full-of-cash-in-his-apartment-when-he-was-at-usc
One of many former recruits that have admitted it.