Crappy just got crappier: Big East Not Just East Anymore
Don't call it the big least.
You just don't get the joke...
The conference's name is the Big East, right? Now, what this fellow has done, quite shrewdly, is changed the word "East" to - you won't believe this - "Least." See, it rhymes with East, but it also denigrates the conference for their subpar football abilities. It's biting social satire and it works on so many levels! But then I'd guess you're not a Jonathan Swift fan either.
so THAT'S what "also" means
I really liked the idea of the MAC, Bigeast, MWC and C-USA creating a new Mid Major conference then spliting into 4 regional sub conferences, made a whole lot of sence, prolly to much sence
Makes scents to me two
Just had too put in you're to sense, didn't you?
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You forgot to end your sentence with a period.
If I'm Boise State, there's no way I'm accepting that invite. Hold out for greener pastures. Hell even the WAC may be better.
and who exactly is going to be offering bsu a spot in their conference??
That the Big 12 tries to poach Boise and maybe SMU/Houston?, to get them back to 12 after they lose Missouri and Texas A&M?
The only thing Boise offers is a football program. Yes, thats the money maker, but BSU has terrible academics and with little else to bring to the table, they haven't been snatched up by the major conferences for that reason.
but the WAC is absoutely a giant black hole of suck. I am certain that there's an FCS conference or two that is stronger than the WAC
1. They are no longer in the WAC. They are in the Mountain West now.
2. Their academics are not highly ranked, their other sports are not on the same level as other BCS conference teams, and their stadium only seats 36K.
3. They are not likely to get a big conference bid right now, but they might be able to use Big East money to build facilities, expand the stadium, etc.
Guh. This conference ralignment nonsense is getting way out of hand.
Notre Dame accepts Big East's bid for football & gains relevance again
ND: Returning to Glory since 1994.
...but the fact that you even mentioned ND proves their relevance.
ND's relevance is why almost every MSM sports personality so desperately wants them to succeed again. It is also why they could have made the BS Sham-pionship game by running the table this year, even with only four legitimate opponents.
How many other schools could suck for over twenty years and still get the amount of national press that ND gets? I am thinking there aren't any. That, my friend, is relevance.
What is that going to look like for basketball? Now the Big East is a crappy ball conference too.
From the link: "The Big East Conference will invite Boise State, Navy and Air Force for football only and SMU, Houston and Central Florida for all sports, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press."
Not that that detracts from your overall point...
Hey, it gets all of the basketball schools in the league thirty wins and since they don't have football, they lose nothing. Great scam if you can pull it off. I'm sure we can count on Mark Emmert to show leadership as this BCS money prostitution ring is making a mockery of intercollegiate athletics....oh, never mind.
Yes, the whole thing is stupid but you don't have to go and start acting like Sparty. I hate Boise St..
Big East autobid made sense when Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Syracuse, and Pitt were good. Now...
I guess fighting two wars at once wasn't enough to impress you lazy, entitled bastards. Fine, we didn't want to be in your stupid conference anyway.
Following "Big East" relaignment & C-USA/MWC merger:
Temple, Ohio, Miami OH, Bowling Green, Kent St, Buffalo, Akron, Eastern Mich, Western Mich, Central Mich, Toledo, Ball State, Nortern Illinois
TCU, Wyoming, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, New Mexico, East Carolina, Marshall, Memphis, UAB, Tulsa, Southern Mississippi, UTEP, Rice, Tulane
Arkansas St, Louisiana-Lafayette, Western Kentucky, Florida Intl, North Texas, Middle Tennessee, Troy, Louisiana Monroe, Florida Atlantic
Nevada, Hawaii, LaTech, Fresno St, SJSt, New Mexico St, Utah St, Idaho
HOW IS THE BIG EAST AQ?
Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Boise St, Navy, Air Force, UCF, Houston, SMU
For what it's worth, TCU will be in the Big XII.
I thought I read somewhere that UMASS is joining the MAC for football too.
How nice would it be to have five "BCS" conferences with 62-64 teams fighting for five AQ spots and four or five "non-BCS" conferences with anywhere from 40-60 teams in a playoff for one AQ spot and the rest of the Sun Belt and WAC just busted down to FCS?
Missing the WAC to MWC moves, some FCS to FBS moves, and adding the errors noted above.
2012 Non-AQ's assuming everyone accept invites and is allowed to move next year (except one 2013 move where noted):
Temple, Ohio, Miami OH, Bowling Green, Kent St, Buffalo, Akron, Eastern Mich, Western Mich, Central Mich, Toledo, Ball State, Nortern Illinois, UMass
Wyoming, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, New Mexico, East Carolina, Marshall, Memphis, UAB, Tulsa, Southern Mississippi, UTEP, Rice, Tulane, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno St
Arkansas St, Louisiana-Lafayette, Western Kentucky, Florida Intl, North Texas, Middle Tennessee, Troy, Louisiana Monroe, Florida Atlantic, (plus South Alabama in 2013)
LaTech, SJSt, New Mexico St, Utah St, Idaho, UT-San Antonio, Texas State
And the BIG EAST would have these members (* for current, 2011 non-AQ's):
Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Boise St*, Navy*, Air Force*, UCF*, Houston*, SMU*
It's not like Boise and Navy are bad teams, though. Navy is basically a perennial bowl team, and Boise is...well, Boise. Air Force is pretty decent every few years, IIRC. The rest are obviously an attempt to keep some kind of conference going, but I don't think Navy, Boise and AFA are all that bad of additions.
I feel like putting Navy and Air Force in the same conference actually will hurt both schools. With every team preparing for the triple-option once or twice a year, I'd imagine their offensive productivity will decrease.
Theyre not horrible, but AFA and Navy, albeit bowl teams, are still not BCS conference caliber, and Boise is of late only. The academies aren't even at the top of the mid major heap.
If anything, this will be nice because we don't need to see the BE champ and Boise in the BCS.
From everything I've read, the BE has to take Boise to have any hope of remaining a BCS conference. I don't think they care whether Boise will be relevant in fifteen years as much as getting their BCS numbers up, right freaking now. You're right about Navy and AFA not being ideal teams, but every conference has not so good teams, it's just the number of them in the BE that's a problem. In that context it's obviously not good.
Completely agree about the BE champ and Boise, especially since this takes effect after Pitt is safely in the ACC (thank god).
I agree with adding Boise, just not the other two, but whatever.
I'm just glad we don't have to have the same Boise St discussion every year, we can just continue asking if the Big East is any good.
So you're saying it's just like OSU hiring Dantonio? Consolidating all emotions into a single location? Makes sense.
There is zero, as in zero, rationale any longer for a Big East auto bid. I don't think anyone will get sucked into the Big East exapansion argument again like last time, where they added Louisville et. al and said that made them still worthy of an auto bid after Miami etc left. None of those teams, with the exception of Boise, is even in the top 30, ever, of colege football at the end of any given regular season. They are all mid majors and do absolutely nothing to help raise the already sub par quality of the Big East., which, with WVA leaving, is clearly barely better, if at all, than the MWC. If there is any justice, the BE loses the auto-bid, which should default to the highest ranked team outside the now five conferences with auto bids.
WVU's lawsuit lacks teeth.
I wouldn't say it lacks teeth.
I would say it lacks merit.
Either you don't get the joke or I don't get yours.
As an Air Force Academy grad all I can say is no,no,no,no,no,no,no, oh god please don't do this to me!, no, no, no, Fuck!
I really hope they tell the Big East to shove it and stay in the Mountain West. This move makes no sense for them whatsoever and I know feedback on it has been overwhlemingly negative from the fans.
If I'm Air Force, I think they're better off trying to secure a solid MWC. Convince Boise to stay, make a move for SMU and Houston and you get a nice eight team league that makes a lot more sense for all of your sports and is at least the equal of what's left in the Big East. If you want to see if Army and Navy are interested, go for it. The nice part of an eight team league is that it gives you 5 non-conference games to make your SOS exactly what you want it to be.
EDIT: Forgot about UNLV. Maybe invite UTEP or keep an eye on UTSA to go to 9 or 10.
Fresno St and Nevada were already scheduled to enter the MWC sometime within the next year or two.
Recruiting tactic: Come join the Big East and travel all over the damn country!
I count 11 teams in the new Big East, how are they going to schedule a championship game? Am I missing something?
They also want to add the storied football programs of Temple, Memphis, or BYU.
BYU would be solid, but they just went independent, why go to a crap conference like the Big East.
This new Big East is a mid-major conference, no different than Conference USA or the Mountain West. I can't see how they keep their BCS bid.
Rand McNally and Fodor's Travel Guides?
So basically the good teams in the Big East will be UConn and BSU. Houston and SMU will be competitive until larger schools get around to highering away any successful coaches hey have.
What a joke of a conference. No geographical footprint, no philosophy of any sort, and crappy football schools. the MWC/C-USA merger is more worthy of an autobid than this.
At this point I say lets get ND into a conference and split the B12 up. Full steam ahead for 4 super conferences and we can split away from the rest of D-I ball. MWC/C-USA can be our new D-II cupcakes.
When UConn is your premier team(s) you are in big trouble. What bothers me, for the fans and players of those teams joining the BE, is that their schools only are joining for the prestige of being in a "major" conference with an auto bid. IMO, if there is any justice, the BE will lose that auto bid soon, and then where will those schools be? Stuck in just another mid-major conference with increased travel bills and no natural rivalries.
If I'm these schools I would want to be darn sure the Big East is still going to have an automatic BCS berth, because that's why you would make the move, right?
None of these schools would go to the Big East if the Big East didn't have an automatic BCS berth.
Wait, what? West Virginia is suing someone/something that it used to be very connected to and friendly with? Where have I heard something like this happening with WVU before??? Oh yeah, I remember now. Fickle f-ckers.
So we play a BCS conference school next year when Air Force comes to town!
Our schedule just got so much more difficult on paper.... if that paper says "BCS Conference opponent" and not "Big East opponent"
Can't wait for Boise State and Air Force to turn down the Big [East]. Their commissioner looks almost as incompetent as Dan Beebe did in the last 2 years ago before getting shitcanned.
Big Wherever. Waiting for the Catholic bball teams to bail and start Big East Classic. And leave this monstrosity to be Big East Zero.
The Big East is a basketball conference faking it as a football conference. Kinda worked when VT, BC , and Miami where in it. Would've worked if ND wasn't as arrogant, self-righteous, and greedy as they are.
Boise lives and dies on the one and done apparoach to major college football. If they play VT or Georgia or some other major conference school to start the year when teams are really sure what they have yet, BSU can win and them dominate their loserville conference. If they had to play Texas, OU, OSU, Kansas St and Missouri every year, they'd never go undefeated.
Boise couldn't handle big boy football more than twice a year maybe three times and certainly not week-in week-out. They'd die in the PAC-12 (where they belong) or the Big XII. They would feast on Indiana and Minnesota, but they would never be able to play a schedule that included Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU and Nebraska every year.
They like the 'big fish in a small pond' scenario.
I'm extremely tired of this argument being made by people from the "esteemed" President of Ohio State to random dudes on Michigan blogs.
Boise's wins over the last 4 years are nothing to sneeze at...
at Georgia (Current Top 20), at Virginia Tech (#16), Utah (#26), Oregon (#11), TCU (#6), at Oregon (#10)
The poster is making a valid point -- and you're missing it. It's one thing for BSU to play JUST ONE tough team a year, particularly early in the season. It's another to play in a difficult conference where they'll play four or five really tough opponents, spread over two months deep into the year.
We'll never know. But few of us think BSU would go undefeated facing, in just one year, Oklahoma, Okie State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, K-State and Missouri. Or Wisconsin, Nebraska, PSU, Michigan, Sparty, and tSIO. Or Stanford, Oregon, USC, and... well, ok, I'll give them the Pac-12. And let's not start on the Ess-Ee-See.
As injuries and "dings" pile up, as you go on the road in really hostile environments, then as you scatter "lesser" opponents between these big games -- trap games -- it makes it really tough to go undefeated.
So Boise beating those teams one per year doesn't prove anything. We'll never know how they'd do with a real schedule. The fact they lost to Nevada at the end of last year, however, makes me think that they could NOT handle a schedule with a lot more problematic games.
are so in for second-rate or mismanaged conferences these days. Clearly BE had to add more schools or get decimated further. BSU is geographically questionable but BE needs the money and BSU needs the stage, such as it is.
I thought I heard Air Force and Navy were going to say no after Army backed out of the picture, though. THey were talking about it on ESPN a few weeks ago it seems. Also, the Texas schools they're inviting are in the process of joining with the MWC right now. Not likely they'll jump ship to a conference that wont make them any more money than they already do, but the Big Something Or Other has nothing to lose by trying. I know, I know.. "Automatic qualifier." These little schools are smart enough to stay in a little conference and keep winning. If they start playing Cincy, Rutgers, USF, and UConn then their 12 win seasons will start becoming 6 win seasons. They're also talking about adding BYU who just went "independant", East Carolina (another school who might accept), Memphis, and Temple. This is weird because it looks like Notre Dame is working behind the scenes to have enough teams to play basketball against. This is going to be a bad conference unless Boise says yes to the automatic Bowl Bid.
Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette and the other Big East schools that don't have football are thinking. Losing 2 of the better bball schools (Pitt and Syracuse) and probably another really good bball school as well (Louisville or WVU to the Big 12). Then the Big East decides to invite a bunch of mid-majors in football that for the most part are pretty bad basketball schools.
if I'm the BCS commissioners, I'm looking through the fine print for a way to not give them an autobid. It won't matter in a few years, but i'd be trying to not let them in next year. Get ready for 8-4 navy in the orange bowl.
Take a look at it,
Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and soon to be Pitt and Syracuse. I know FSU, GT, and Clemson are good programs today. With due respect to FSU, historically speaking all the former Big East school of the ACC have better football traditions than any of original ACC schools. Without Bobby Bowden making FSU what it is, Miami, VT, and BC may have never left. The ACC has more cupcake games than the big east does. UNC is now irrelevant, NC Statte is irrelevant, Virginia, Wake, and Duke are also traditionally irrelevant. You might as well call the ACC the Big East football conference. The basketball conference the Big East is becoming could have been the ACC. Just food for thought.