@SWiltfong247 Steve Wiltfong
fair point that
That was my first guess too. I thought the coaching staff said if your committed then no visits? Am I wrong?
Maybe he just wants to visit the Pacific Northwest...in November...
Not a member but picture in the article is of Pharoah Brown.
Booo... Why would he even go to Oregon as a TE, they hardly feature them in the way we probably will. Unless he wants to play DE, in which case I dont see how Michigan wouldnt be the perfect situation... I'll hold off judgement until we really know whats going on, though.
I understand where you're coming from with that, but take a look at the statline of the starting TEs for us and Oregon right now...
David Paulsen- 17 catches/233 yards/4 TDs
Kevin Koger- 17 catches/195 yards/ 3 TDs
I know, the TE will grow and grow in importance in the future, but for now, I think it's understandable if a HS kid doesn't see the big difference lol
Given Shane Morris is coming in two years, Brown should feel comfortable to be a part of the Offensive
Ace is more of an insider than almost everyone on this blog. Enjoy Bolivia
As opposed to you and all of your 8 points? And what kind of name is "BigRedWolverine" anyway? Are you one of those idiots who wears the garb of both teams during a game because you like both schools?
Nuke these jerks to La Paz
Go away. And nice ignorant tagline as well.
If so, I hope he knows what he's doing .. cause I'm sure Hoke's already working on his backup plan.
Maybe Hoke already got his backup.
If he does, Hoke will boot him. You watch.
I was really excited to see him play TE for us. We have a bunch of highly rated guys still on the board, that we are really going after. I think there is a good chance that we will have to turn away some dudes, because we run out of available spots in this recruiting class. If he really wants to play for Michigan, he is really taking a big chance going to visit Duckville.
With 5 or 6 4/5 stars lined up for 4 spots, a decommit would hardly be devistating. That having been said, decommits are never good, who is it? Visits to other schools pretty much mean decommits with this staff, as I understand it. The prospect can still favor Michigan, but we will reopen the spot for recruitment.
I'm 30 min from Eugene. Want me to find him and send him back to Ann Arbor?
yes..and i hope that "/s" stands for serious
Loading up my creeper van
Still not funny.
Not even a bit. Little kids being molested or raped will never be something to joke about.
Well, if South Park did it I guess everyone has to revise their position on the matter. Thanks for pointing that out.
Nope. Just pointed out that he probably was among the group that didn't like what I thought was a very entertaining episode.
SNL did a nice job with The Devil on Weekend Update, too.
I am not someone who thinks for a second that what happend at penn state is funny at all, and i never and will never make a joke about the victims..but i don't need to defend my moral standards to a couple of high horse internet bloggers.
If only because he was just told that he could play TE, which has always appeared to be his position of choice.
If you'll remember, Oregon offerred Brown shortly after he committed to Michigan, as a TE. There may have been some sort of disconnect between Brown and the coaching staff, or perhaps the coaching staff wasn't as enthusiastic about him as a TE as he was. I'm not jumping to conclusions yet, but the coaches did tell TRich that if he took visits, they wouldn't consider him committed.
This is interesting. I wonder how hoke will approach this. He has to do something. Trich wanted to take visits and mags too.
Hoke will approach it the same way he did with TRich...tell him if he visits, he is not considered committed, and there may not be a spot when he gets back.
I actually have mixed feelings on that rule, but it is Hoke's rule, and Hoke is not one to mess around.
Mixed feelings? I'm not trying to be critical or attack you, but what do you mean? I've always found the concept of 'committed but looking' absurd. What do you think about it?
If you have early signing, like in bball, then you are really committed.
In football, whether looking or taking visits or not...it is still a verbal. Heck, think of the players we have lost and gained without having this rule. This rule doesn't really stop anything. It does make it clear what Hoke thinks about it though. Even with this rule...do you really think no one will defect at the last minute?
I think Sam w said this that he didn't believe we would have any decommits.
expect the unexpected
At least one player has decommitted in every class from 2007-2011.
that doesnt completely surprise me. am i disappointed in his visit, yes. do i consider him committed. no. i understand the kid, him being 17 and so. as i said before it would interesting to see what hoke does. if he lets one person go on a visit what about the others, and if pharoah went without saying anything, oh well.
I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't think thats the point. There could be a variety of reasons why a kid defects at the last second, but most of the time, it's because their feelings will change, but likely had been 100 percent committed up to that point.
With a kid who's 'committed but visiting', it's more like a kid isn't sure where he wants to go, but wants to use the coach's eagerness to lock up a top prospect to form a comfortable safety net. It's been my opinion that nothing good can really come of 'visiting for shits and giggles' with your buddies, anyway. If you don't take it seriously, then the other coaching staff will have wasted time they could have spent on prospects they're more likely to land, and money they could have spent on other recruits. If they do, then the commitment wavering begins.
IMO, these kids need a thorough lesson on 'commitment'. If you're not sure where you want to go, don't commit anywhere. This is obviously a different case when someone thinks they know where they want to go but changes their mind, but I think you get my point
Of course it's still a verbal, just like Hoke saying "I won't give your spot away to another kid" is just a verbal. My point is, if you aren't upholding your end of the verbal bargain, Hoke shouldn't either.
A verbal is not binding, so a player can reopen his recruitment at any time. As soon as he does that, though, his spot can be filled. You can't make reservations at two restaurants in this game.
Yes it goes both ways, how does a player feel when Coach is talking to other same position players.
It depends. If a coach tells a kid that they're all done with his position and then keeps talking to other prospects at the same position, then a committed player has the right to be upset. But that rarely happens, and most players commit with the understanding that they'll have competition from the same class...
anyone consider Brionte Dunn "committed" to Ohio?
I LOVE that rule. Hoke's laying down the law. Personally, I dont think it's harsh .. and it's not unprofessional. It's just the way it is.
I agree with it but see trich point. Trich just wanted to get wine and dined. Something he will never do again until he gets to the league. Bit I understand hoke saving him a spot and not wanting to be reneged upon. I think Pharoah didn't know hoke's rule. He seemed happy
I think Pharoah didn't know hoke's rule
Sam Webb mentioned earlier this year that the coaching staff makes it a point before anyone tries to commit that visits mean their spot is in jeopardy. There might have been a miscommunication (i.e. Brown asking Hoke, him not giving a clear answer or Brown just not understanding what he means), but I'm sure he knows the 'rule'.
I understand. I guess brown doesn't have a spot anymore.
That's not what I mean, the coaching staff still might not have caught wind of this. I'm saying there could have been some sort of communication breakdown between the two parties that needs sorting out. I'm still considering him committed until I hear otherwise.
It seems odd that it is just getting reported now so close to the actual game. Is there a chance that he is already on campus and that is how the writer knew that he was visiting?
It seems like this was kept under wraps or it was a communication break down like you said.