Up close video of handshake line w audio
February 20th, 2022 at 9:25 PM ^
The first rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:55 PM ^
This entire thing is so self inflicted it's cringe as ****
Full court press down 15 and of course the other coaching going to call a to.
Passive aggressive say "I'll remember that shit" and of course the other coaching going to respond. Even that remark alone is childish.
The wisky coach barely grabbed his arm to talk, 12 seconds later Juwan swung and connected open palm with someones face. With multiple players holding him back. Anyone saying wisconsin coach instigated has to have their eyes checked. This was just going to end with some shoving until coach let his hand fly
Jesus Juwan, why? If this was any other coach, we'd all be laughing and saying 'he gone' jokes. Everyone around the country is pissed at the unprofessionalism, many are calling for his head. Same people who loved him 12 hours ago.
Warde needs to toughen up and fire him. This sucks. I thought we were in the best possible situation with an amazing coach on and off the court.
For all of you defending him, jesus christ you're grasping at straws for a coach that hit another coach. We laughed at Woody Hayes and rightfully so for getting fired for throwing a punch. We don't get to suddenly say oh actually that's alright.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:02 PM ^
Sure if ignore that said assistant wasn't also putting his hands on UM players in between including straight shoving Faulds. And sorry that was not a light touch, coaches simply do not grab each other like that. Gard should have simply laughed at Howard's kind of dumb comment and not grabbed another grown man in that manner and thought anything good would come of it honestly.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:06 PM ^
What hands? Everyone was holding onto everyone, and it would have ended at that if coach didn't pull back his arm and slap someone.
Which turned into something ugly and we're lucky nobody got hurt.
And at what workplace does someone say "ill remember that shit" like a bitch as you walk by.
Yes we're all in shock and denial right, but think for chrissake. Non Michigan/Wisky fans who don't have a dog in this fight and generally. love Juwan are pissed at him and almost 100% and saying he should be fired. Put down your homer glasses.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^
There is literally a video in this thread and another of the assistant shoving Faulds, that is indisputable. And he does clearly put his hands on Williams after. Again doesn't excuse Howard but any narrative saying Wisconsin didn't do their part in escalation is just flat out incorrect.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:23 PM ^
In the sports workplace “I’ll remember that shit” is pretty tame. Also, have you ever worked at a manufacturing plant? Are you seriously comparing sports to an office. What is happening? I am in a twilight zone today.
suspend Juwan but I don’t get how appalled people feel. It’s all going to be OK.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:31 PM ^
Did you seriously compare a Big Ten head coach with a manufacturing plant job?
It's amazing how people laugh at woody hayes getting fired for his violence, but vehemently defend Juwan for something slightly less.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:38 PM ^
Right because straight randomly punching a player with literally no provacation is the exact same as momentarily losing your shit in a situation that was very heated at that point. The comparison is literally laughable. It is has nothing to do with being a homer, it is just a laughable comparison logically.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:46 PM ^
Woody chopped an opposing player (read: student athlete college kid) in the throat for...having the nerve to pick up an Ohio State fumble. Juwan swiped his hand at a goon Wisconsin assistant coach who aggressively grabbed/shoved Faulds and Williams who were actually being the grown-ups and breaking up an escalating situation/potential fight. These Wisconsin goons can go eat s***. Juwan wasn't right but they sure as hell weren't either.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
Enough with the Woody Hayes comparisons. That guy was at the *very* end of his career, was himself probably going to retire, and that university was already looking for an excuse to move on. And, yes, he hit a player, with no provocation.
I'm not defending Juwan here. Just ... enough with citing Woody Hayes as binding authority. Not the same situation, not relevant.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:58 PM ^
No I didn’t make that comparison. I was responding to your comment about saying I’ll remember that shit in the workplace. You actually brought the workplace into it so I was giving you a real example of where something like that might be said in the workplace. Try to follow your own arguments.
February 21st, 2022 at 7:30 AM ^
Woody got fired for throwing the punch, but they were looking for a way to get rid of him at the time. He had grown increasingly irascible and was not dominating in big games as he had in the late 60’s. If that punch had been thrown a few years earlier, he never would have been shown the door. Not to mention there was no provocation whatsoever—guy intercepted a pass to seal the game, and Woody went nuts.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:41 AM ^
Fuck you!
February 20th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
Howard's responsibility at the end of that game, W or L, is to lead his players through the handshake line and end the competition in a respectful manner, regardless of any emotional discomfort. He can be angry, but the expression of his feelings in the handshake line is inappropriate. The handshake line was started, in the first place, to impose a peaceful end to the competition. All the anger, handwringing, name-caller, and bitching can be vented in the press room afterwards. If he had done this simple job, walk the line, none of the other offenses that everyone points to, would have happened. Juwan is 100% responsible for everything in that humiliating video.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:06 PM ^
You gotta have thicker skin than the sensitivity he has shown.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:51 PM ^
And the handshake line was never meant for some little fuckstick to block a coaches path and force him to listen to horse shit.
Gard was wrong and bears responsibility as does his asshole assistant.
the reality is most kids and parents are going to See Juwan as reacting to assholes in the wrong way but still reacting to assholes
February 21st, 2022 at 12:41 AM ^
Far be it for me to defend Greg Gard, but shit . . . all Juwan had to do was shake the guy's hand for a second and move on.
But no, he had to get pissy over a timeout call for some reason and not only didn't shake hands but said "I'll remember that shit" to Gard, and then Gard grabbed his arm, and then Juwan freaked out further, shouting "Don't fucking touch me!" and grabbing Gard's shirt . . . and then it escalated into a melee that resulted in Juwan hitting their guy. And now our season, and possibly his coaching career here, is in jeopardy.
Just shake hands, Juwan.
February 21st, 2022 at 1:09 AM ^
Unless I'm wrong it actually looks like he still shook or was going to, but then Gard reacted to his comment by grabbing him. I mean no Howard would have been better off not saying it, but it also doesn't mean Gard had to grab him like that.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:26 PM ^
Howard's responsibility at the end of that game, W or L, is to lead his players through the handshake line and end the competition in a respectful manner, regardless of any emotional discomfort. He can be angry, but the expression of his feelings in the handshake line is inappropriate. The handshake line was started, in the first place, to impose a peaceful end to the competition. All the anger, handwringing, name-calling, and bitching can be vented in the press room afterwards. If he had done this simple job, walk the line, none of the other offenses that everyone points to, would have happened. Juwan is 100% responsible for everything in that humiliating video.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^
I seen Bruce Arians do that to one of his players on the sideline and all I heard the next day was “the world and players are becoming soft”. Juwan does it to an opposing coach who shoved one of his players, now “he needs to be fired”. I wonder why ???
February 21st, 2022 at 7:49 AM ^
Right? And we all know the why. Maybe the same reason so many are ascribing "soft skin" "emotional" "unprofessional" to the coach who didn't start the fight while not one person has said any of those things about the coach who did start it. It's"professional" to grab a grown man in anger but unprofessional to respond...in anger.
February 21st, 2022 at 8:07 AM ^
Both can be true about the double standard applied to JH and JH should not have swung.
No matter the explanation that comes out eventually this incident will now follow JH and that is sad because I really like JH.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:37 PM ^
I keep hearing this defense about Howard was defending his players because the assistant put hands on them. Small problem…I don’t recall Howard saying that was the reason. I just heard he didn’t like the timeout and that he was defending himself after Gard touched him.
seems like you are trying to give him an excuse that he doesn’t even believe.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:44 PM ^
No its called using logic. Assistant shoves Faulds, puts his hands on Williams, says something and literally a second later Howard reacts. So you are saying it is just random coincidence that he decided to talk a swipe at him directly after that took place for some other random reason. Yep makes total sense.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:09 PM ^
Yeah I like how the story is changing to Juwan defending players now even though that wasn't what anyone was saying before. But lets examine the video a little more and see what else we can pull out and blame on Wisconsin.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:12 PM ^
You can argue all you want, the assistant shoves Faulds and then puts his hands on Williams. Whether we needed to look closer to see is irrelevant, as it is factual. And that it directly proceeded Howard reacting is also factual.
February 21st, 2022 at 8:12 AM ^
LOL, yeah let's look as close as possible at the video to determine the truth. Who wants to do that?
February 21st, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^
I said it five minutes after the game, after asking myself: what pissed him off that he went at the assistant, and why were Moussa and Terry throwing punches. I was pissed off at Howard.
Nobody in media said it because they don’t sit there and watch replays in slow motion. They throw up the video and craft their outrage and moralizing. They saw a juicy story and wrote it.
It’s laughable to make such generalizations like yours against an entire set of fans here.
“Nobody was saying this while they were in shock.”
Ever discipline one of your very good kids after they do something really dumb? If you had the privilege of a video of what they did, maybe you’d watch it over and over to see what the hell was going on. Doesn’t mean you aren’t pissed at your kid and will not think they deserve punishment.
But you ain’t gonna let some social media mobs burn your child at the stake when you see the whole picture.
I laugh at people who try and say “Howard is responsible for ALL of it.” Why? He didn’t swing at Gard and Gard was already hiding behind a bunch of people and Juwan was already pulled back behind his players.
Wisconsin coaches swarmed the Michigan side after Juwan was pulled away and Wisconsin coaches were screaming back and posturing back. They didn’t walk away when it was merely one coach telling another coach to back off grabbing him.
Ask yourself, how could Gard not see Howard was mad? The tv guys were saying he was. Gard knew it—since JH was not the first through the line. Gard was baiting him.
Terry didn’t throw the first punch; he was pushed and then punched by a Wisconsin player ALL while Gard tried to push half-heartedly push through a guy holding him back so he could continue to yell back at Juwan.
Anybody in media saying Gard needed to walk away. Any headlines on that? No. The only things written on Gard so far have been his smug reply with the headphones on in which he feigned ignorance.
Due process and do process. If only Gard gets the benefit of the doubt, then you are going to have people come to the aid of the one being lynch mobbed.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^
This is the correct take. The hypocrisy of this fanbase is cringeworthy at times. Right now, it's embarrassing. But go ahead, keep making excuses.
I just keep thinking about the class that used to run this program and how proud I was of it and how far in the past that feels after today.
I'll take the negs for this because I know there are many different opinions than mine. But I just can't believe the excuses being made.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:20 PM ^
Context matters. Woody Hayes coldcocking a guy for running down the field... fired. A coach defending a player who is being shoved by a coach but making a very poor decision... probably suspension.
It's not black and white. I'm not seeing posters saying he did nothing wrong. The question is HOW wrong?
February 21st, 2022 at 12:21 AM ^
Somebody’s been listening to too much Joe Rogan ??
February 21st, 2022 at 9:05 AM ^
Joe Rogan? Where did that come from? Assuming you are Dennis Fithian, and you must be because who would use your name as a handle, I'll ascribe your anti Rogan sentiments to jealousy.
Rogan: Two to three long form interviews a week listened to by millions.
You: What exactly are you doing since losing your late night snooze fest on a Detroit radio station?
February 20th, 2022 at 10:42 PM ^
Enjoy mine..
February 21st, 2022 at 1:10 AM ^
One of the best moments of Beilein’s tenure is when Darius Morris—in the hollowed postgame handshake line—told Kalin Lucas to “get the fuck off my court.” At the time, boomers used that to complain about the program lacking “class.” I also remember Stauskas blowing kisses to the MSU fans at Breslin after the game in 2014.
Stop rewriting history to claim that the program no longer has “class.”
February 21st, 2022 at 8:15 AM ^
Stauskaa blew maybe two kisses, after game over, in a quick motion, toward the MSU fans swearing at him all game. I'm totally fine with that one. That's turning the other cheek...with a kiss .
February 21st, 2022 at 2:37 AM ^
You sound very dramatic about something that has no direct impact on your life. What do you do when you find out that there’s no coffee in the house? Do you faint?
February 20th, 2022 at 10:18 PM ^
Try not caring about what everyone around the country thinks. Life is much better that way.
February 21st, 2022 at 7:21 AM ^
On that note:
For contrast, head to the "Maryland" guy on 247.
Whatever happens here, I feel bad for Juwan. Not because I think he's guilt-free here (far from it), but because, from a distance, he seems like a basically good person. It's always somewhat tragic to see a good person sabotage their life and career.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:48 PM ^
You cite what other people are saying. It’s you that wants him fired without knowing exactly what happened and if you had the power, you would! But you don’t. Glad you’re only who you are and not the judge, jury, and GAME WARDEN!
February 20th, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
Woody hit a student. Not a taunting coach with a face that needed punching.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:28 PM ^
You’re just full of shit
February 21st, 2022 at 9:00 AM ^
The reach out slap by Juwan may look bad but what he did and Gard did are equivalent under the law- they are both examples of assault- Gard definitely started it by grabbing Juwan and getting in his face- I'd like to hear what else was said by the coach that Juwan assaulted- I'm guessing we'd likely be more supportive of Juwan's actions if we knew this-
February 21st, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^
You’re full of it. Gard DID instigate it. Howard tried to walk away and Gard kept it up with his imbecilic behavior.
Does Howard deserve some sort of disciplinary action? Yes. But don’t you dare act like Gard is an innocent party in all of this.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^
Guarantee you this will help recruiting. Kids will eat this up. A coach that will throw down will appeal to a lot of dudes in HS. Not condoning it for a second, just saying.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
I personally don't want to see him fired, but if he isn't I really hope this "we are holier than tho" shit that has surrounded this fan base stops. All programs do things we don't agree with.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:50 PM ^
Like Georgetown under John Thompson. recruits loved them.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:09 PM ^
“How dare you call a timeout after I was full court pressing your scrubs down 15 with less than 30 seconds left!”