The call on RR is so close, it all boils down to this bowl game.

Submitted by Wolverine90 on

In a season full of daggers, the score, not the loss, of the  OSU game was a plus size dagger to RichRod. 

 

The entire year pundits and hacks like myself predicted steady improvement, and 7-5, with 8-4 an possibility.  But also was expected improvement on both sides of the ball, and many, including myself, predicted that RR’s career may very well rest in the hands of GERG after the debacle that was last year’s D.  GERG didn’t disappoint, generating an even worse D, injuries aside. 

 

But for all the doom/gloom on D, the shining light was Denard, and the vast improvement on offense.

 

Then the OSU game, and 7 points….

 

Yr 1 of the RR tenure didn’t count given the lack of remotely adequate personnel on offense.  But the complexion after that loss to OSU was that in the last 2 years, RR has merely treaded water, improving on O but regressing on D.  UM went from 5-7 to 7-5, which is positive, but the offense, the only unit fans could hang their hat on for vast improvement, then goes out and only hangs 7 points vs OSU – a giant negative.

 

So now everyone wonders if RR will be back next year and it appears to be a 50/50 shot because, as bad as things have been, things will be better next year under RR.  Healthier D with far more focus on that side of the ball, including a new D coordinator, experienced O, some semblance of special teams with new kickers.

 

8-4 or 9-3 are expected next year under RR, unless Mike Martin goes pro and the new D coordinator turns into another bust.  85% chance the team is better next year, but long term, RR has amassed a record the last two years indicting his capacity prepare a Michigan team to compete at elite levels.

 

So Brandon’s margin to keep RR either way is razor thin either way.


What will be the deciding factor?  The score of this Gator Bowl.  I honestly think it completely comes down to this game.  So what do you guys think the score needs to be to keep RR next year? 

 

Yes Miss State is an SEC team, and I know recruit rankings don’ t mean all that much (hello Boise State), but Miss State’s Rivals recruiting rankings last several years are as follows:

2010 38

2009 25

2008 44

2007 39

2006 46

 

Essentially Miss State has recruited an average of roughly 20+ ranks below UM which would imply UM has the superior personnel.  This factors against RR if we lose.  Then again, we’ve had devastating injuries, which factors in his favor for next year. Then again several of his recruits have been monstrous busts (Turner, Campbell, Emilien, Cissoco, McGuffy, etc., etc.) which factors against him…

 

I believe that Brandon would’ve stuck to his plan to make a decision after the bowl game even if UM was 11-1, where it was a foregone conclusion RR would be back, but adding everything up, the call appears so close, that I strongly believe this Gator Bowl in two days will mark the course of our program next year, and possibly for years to come given the high likelihood that if RR is back next year, UM will be markedly better.  

 

There are tons of other factors in Brandon's decision – his personal thoughts on RR, thoughts on recruiting, thoughts on Harbaugh, thoughts on the violations, the direction of the program, etc., etc.  I’m not trying to oversimplify Brandon’s decision, I believe that if you add up all the pros and cons, it is an extremely close call for Brandon.

 

So for fun, what score do you think will swing Brandon either way?  I believe any win, even by 1 point saves RR’s job.  8-5 after 5-7, especially with this defense, is worthy of his return.   I believe a loss of a touchdown or less puts RR square on the fence.  I believe a loss over 8 points or more, and he is gone.

 

I’ve stuck it out with RR for 3 years and have rooted so much for him to succeed, that honestly nothing would make me happier than to see him back next year for one last shot to finally break through.  He’s had a month to prepare his team, and it is time now boys.  GO BLUE!!!! 

ThWard

December 30th, 2010 at 4:33 PM ^

I don't care that this isn't labeled CC.  I don't care that it could have gone in one of the numerous CC threads.

 

But I do quibble with that notion that David Brandon will base this decision on one freaking game.  Quibble with it, I do.  That's batshit insane.

 

Edit: I assume Martin = Brandon.  Unless you randomly are tossing out Mike Martin's deliberative process, too.

 

Seriously, how anyone can think Brandon makes this decision based on the scoring margin of one game, is freaking beyond me.

nickb

December 30th, 2010 at 5:42 PM ^

for Brandon to use the result of a bowl game to determine RR's fate, it clearly indicates Brandon is not the right person to be the AD of Michigan.

His decision has been made. I also suspect RR knows what it is.

Wolverine90

December 30th, 2010 at 4:46 PM ^

I didn't see any other post out there with the angle that, given how close the call on RR has become after this year, the final weighing factor just might be this bowl game.  I think it adds intrigue to approach watching the game this way - RR"s players playing not only to win a game, but to save his job one way or the other.

Not that I care much, but consider stepping away from your computer for a few weeks, if you've gotten to the point where you waste oxygen negging your fellow UM fans.  I know it's been a disappointing year, but you need to channel your aggression more appropriately.

Wolverine90

December 30th, 2010 at 5:28 PM ^

You project upon the mind of any new poster that the only reason they make a new post is because they think they have a great or amazing idea, and thus they are worth negging.  Did you ever think perhaps, that UM fans might also make posts so they can hear other fans' thoughts on the matter they raise?  That was all I was after really.  This game seems like the deciding factor in RR"s hiring/firing, I wanted to know other fans' thoughts.

What does "cc" mean? I have no idea.  I've been following UM football since 1979, so I know plenty about that.

If there is some etiquette, or some need to put "cc" whatever that is before posts that don't purport to provide newsworthy content, why not ask Brian to put a link to such etiquette, and fans like myself would be happy to oblige.  But the way some of you front this forum etiquette negging at older fans like me, is a major turn off and a poor representation of the Michigan fan base on this, probably UM's highest traffic blog. 

ThWard

December 30th, 2010 at 5:35 PM ^

(1) Brian does have a FAQs section.

For one:

How can I avoid downvotes?

Don't be redundant.

Sorry, but a lot of Mgoboarders consider these topics - even with the slight nuance of 'what do you think the final score of the bowl game has to be to save RR's job?" - to be redundant.  Come on, man, don't be so sensitive - you can't think you're the first to throw out the "think the bowl game has an impact on the decision" angle?

What should I title my threads?

Please make your thread titles as informative as possible: "Justin Feagin" is bad. "Justin Feagin leaving the team?" is good.

No, no reference to "CC" - that was a Mgoboard made informal rule. It's not a real rule, obviously, but if you've looked at this board more than once in the past month, I have trouble believing you haven't seen it.  "Coaching Change."

 

(2) Regarding the motivations for posting this stuff.  You're right, people on this board are a bit anal about the topics posted.  At the same time, the relentless demand for higher quality content and threads (a) is influenced by Brian's higher standards for his posts; and (b) also makes this board better than other UM boards.  Of course, that is just my opinion, but I think it's shared by a lot of others.

 

It's not personal, and I like all fellow UM fans.  But places like GBW and the like tend to be better for rehashing old ideas, you know? 

 

With that.  Once again - serious comment that you solicited:  I think there is zero chance Brandon's decision on the future of this program turns on how we do against Miss State.

ThWard

December 30th, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^

Negging you wastes no oxygen. 

 

I jest.  I didn't neg you, and I won't.  I meant what I said - I'm fine with CC threads, labeled CC or not.  But I think it's insane to think David Brandon would treat this game as some sort of tiebreaker in his scribbled out pro/con list.

Wolverine90

December 30th, 2010 at 5:39 PM ^

How can you possible call it insane?  If we win 50-0 vs an 8-4 SEC team, and go 8-5 after last season's 5-7, especially after all that has happened, do you really think there is any chance RR is fired?  If we lose 50-0 do you think there is any chance RR is kept? 

The call is a close one for Brandon.  Who would deny that?  It's a close call on RR either way right?  Or am I wrong on saying it's a close call.

wlubd

December 30th, 2010 at 5:43 PM ^

It is a tough decision for Brandon but how can anyone argue that the bowl game result will have a significant effect on how the program is at this time next year? 2 years? 5 years?

The bowl game is one game, and a meaningless one at that. No effect (Or there shouldn't be an effect) whatsoever on what Brandon's decision is.

ThWard

December 30th, 2010 at 5:46 PM ^

But I think the impact of the bowl game is minimal, if any.  I imagine Brandon's evaluation weighs in-season play more heavily than a game played with 6 weeks of prep.  Further, I don't think DB considers Miss State the barometer for UM - even in determining the direction of RR's regime.

 

I think that (and here, I'm projecting what I consider to be the proper deliberative approach) the Miss State game matters, but more adds to the aggregate data of a single factor (non-conference performance) rather than carrying some major weight independently.  I take Brandon at his word that he's considering all factors: recruiting, current players' opinions, transfer issues, individual meetings with coaches, performance, trends, etc.... and I don't think that the decision is "coin flip" close - that is, I don't think that JUST because Brandon has said he won't announce anything until after the bowl mean he's totally torn at the moment.

BlueDragon

December 30th, 2010 at 4:32 PM ^

This should be a diary.

But yes, this upcoming bowl game is very very important.  We have an outstanding record vs. the SEC and keeping it that way is key.  I don't know if winning it would save his job per se, but I'll definitely be watching M and Stanford's bowl games this year.

MWW6T7

December 30th, 2010 at 4:36 PM ^

I think I am gonna take a vacation from this for a while. I will miss most of you dearly but I just can't take it anymore. I am leaving for the game inthe morning and will take a vacation probably until after signing day. I wish all if you a safe and happy new year.

SFBlue

December 30th, 2010 at 4:42 PM ^

I cannot imagine that RR's future at Michigan is related in any way to the result of this game.  The biggest factor is what Harbaugh's plans are. 

NOLA Wolverine

December 30th, 2010 at 4:43 PM ^

His future is not based on a meaningless football game. This is basically a celebration for the players and a way for sponsors to make money, it holds no barring on anything.