UMProud

September 30th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^

Do companies like ESPN have to pay according to the bill?  If it's just schools I can see them simply not promoting players.

Or it could be used to funnel money to them.   If that's the way it gets used then recruiting will change nationwide if everyone gets in on this.

Michigan's PR machine would excel here.

The Mad Hatter

September 30th, 2019 at 10:24 AM ^

I honestly don't think much would change.  Top teams would still get top guys and the others would go where they can, just like now.

I do think that with our brand being as strong as it is this would probably help us (and ND).  Michigan fans are everywhere.  And I don't think that's true for any of the current top 4.

MGoStrength

September 30th, 2019 at 10:40 AM ^

I feel like the biggest difference between UM now and UM pre-2000 was our recruiting in OH.  Hopefully this can help us either get some of the top OH kids who used to go to UM, but no longer, or to some other top 150 kids that trend down south.  But, I'd have to assume OSU won't be hurting by this either.

MGoStrength

September 30th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^

Beating OSU helps us recruit Ohio.

It's hard to do that when you're so far behind in team talent.  I think the internet & social media has changed something.  247 has been doing the Team Talent Composite since 2015 and there is a correlation between our rankings and the scores of the games, which is not good for this season since this is the biggest difference since 2015.  The next largest gap in talent was last year, which means the gap is growing.

2015 : OSU (#3 in team talent) 42 -  UM (#9 in team talent) 13

2016: OSU (#5) 30 - UM (#8) 27

2017: OSU (#2) 31 - UM (#7) 20

2018: OSU (#1) 62 - UM (#8) 39

2019: OSU (#2) vs UM (#11)

M-GO-Beek

September 30th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^

I actually think the tweet characterizes the bill wrong. The bill does not say the universities will have to pay student athletes above and beyond a scholarship for use of their image, but what it does say is that student can collect money based on the use of their image and likeness (IE other companies can now pay the students to advertise for them).  Stanford can still use its many olympic athletes for promotion of their school without additional costs, but now similar to olympic athletes, football and basketball (or any other really) can now collect money for the fame accrued through their sport and still be considered an "amatuer" for college sport participation purposes. 

1VaBlue1

September 30th, 2019 at 10:21 AM ^

It's the first step in the NCAA 'allowing' the players to get paid via NIL.  This will lead to the inevitable lawsuit, which the NCAA will settle - smartly - in some way as to allow itself all the credit.  It won't come as a settlement, instead being some outside the courtroom finagling to cut a deal between the conferences and make the lawsuit obsolete.  The NCAA and the conferences will make out with a boatload of great publicity, and the athletes will get a pittance that looks great compared to what they get today.

The G5 and Div II/III schools will look at each other and say, 'WTF just happened?'

bronxblue

September 30th, 2019 at 10:21 AM ^

Look toward a lot of other states introducing similar bills shortly.  Might be one of the first times a bunch of states in the Southeast rush to emulate something CA is doing.

crg

September 30th, 2019 at 10:35 AM ^

I may be in the minority on this, but I do not like this move (or the greater trend to which it is a part).  This just adds one more step to making college football into NFL-lite, where all players are simply free agents, no one is there to be a legitimate student, the commercialization is rampant and intrusive, and sportsmanship/ethics go out the window.

Of course, many will say "this is already happening", but that is not true across the board.  There are still FBS programs out there that treat the sport as it is meant to be: a student recreational activity and not an industry unto itself (where "school" is an afterthought).

This is just my own opinion and I'm not looking to exchange hot takes with anyone; but college football appeals to me so much more than NFL because it focuses more on the team, the school, and tradition rather than individual star athletes looking for their next big contract (also, being an alum and grad and knowing some of the former members of the team - who were also legit students as I was - makes it much more personal).  People can cheer this move all they want, but I find no joy in it.

HelloHeisman91

September 30th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^

I’ll take this trade for being able to watch M play every week.  25 years ago you couldn’t even watch M on TV every week regionally.  Times have changed, money has exploded in the sport and everyone involved is getting rich.  The kids deserve it and to ask them to be the only group involved to not try to make some money is crazy to me at this point.  

MGoStrength

September 30th, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^

college football appeals to me so much more than NFL because it focuses more on the team, the school, and tradition rather than individual star athletes

I agree on preferring CFP to the NFL, but lets be real...CFB is all about star players as well.  Look how we follow recruits like Gary, Peppers, etc.  I just think CFB is already a business and the rest if just an attempt to make it look like amateurism.  Plus, it's not like just because the NCAA lets kids make some money that all of a sudden colleges will lose their traditions like fight songs, marching bands, touching the banner, etc.  Those things will still exist and connect us to the past.  But times change.  The scholarship limit changed.  The internet and social media changed recruiting.  The transfer portal changed.  The post season changed.  Conference alignments constantly change.  This is just another step in that process of inevitable change.  Plus anything within the rules that makes us competitive with OSU again...I'll take.  It's been a long 20 years.

PrettyFlyWhiteGuy

September 30th, 2019 at 10:49 AM ^

I could not agree more with this.  To the point that I almost wish Michigan and like minded schools found a way to still field teams made up of student athletes and avoid being a part of what is to come.  I admittedly haven't read the bill and am not aware of any constraints or controls that may be built in, but this seems really easy to exploit.  I am also aware of UM's position in the world and realize that UM may thrive in an environment where they can take advantage of the prestige and influence they have.  I just am not nearly as excited as most to hear that college football may be on its deathbed.

Castroviejo

October 1st, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^

I agree with crg and prettyflywhiteguy.  This is where college football jumps the shark.  I used to see Jim Harbaugh, Greg McMurtry, Jamie Morris, and others around campus. They were students that played football.  It was easy to root for them-after all, they were one of us.  Yes, I know they probably had some minor side deals with some proprietors on South U (ie meals were free, etc...), and definitely had more success with the opposite sex, but they were fundamentally a student, like the rest of us.  They wore backpacks and whined about finals and looked for parties and had friends that weren’t athletes.  Now we are going to be treated to the spectacle of teenage professional athletes choosing schools based on where they get the best deal.  The Bo speech about the team is about to become meaningless.  Listen to Jerry Seifeld’s skit about cheering for laundry.  That’s where college football is headed.  As for this leveling the playing field in terms of extracurriculars- it won’t.  There will always be under the table stuff going on.  

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 30th, 2019 at 11:08 AM ^

I don't see a lot to cheer in it either, mainly because I really have a hard time with the idea that athletes are being exploited.  There's a really, really, really long list of people trying like hell to sign up to get exploited that badly.  The woe-is-us line about not being paid enough rings fairly hollow.

I'm not won over by the NCAA's talk about the purity of the amateur experience, because they've really gone full hypocrite by gleefully raking in money themselves and ruining a lot of the experience for fans in the process.  They are such an easy target it's ridiculous.

That said, that's caused a lot of people to gravitate toward an argument which is nearly as problematic.  It really sucks that recruiting is based so much on gold-plated facilities, but it would probably suck just as much to see it based on who has the most generous contract terms.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 30th, 2019 at 1:13 PM ^

I don't really think a Depression-era story of sheer desperation, survival, and zero alternatives whatosever is analogous to a leisure activity that most players don't have to do at all.  The choice to play football or not play football is apples and orangutans to finding work in the Depression; dying of starvation is not the only other choice.

crg

September 30th, 2019 at 2:35 PM ^

Quite the hot take, buddy.

Besides, there is much less that the NCAA could do than already exists.  Keep in mind that for much of the history of this sport, guys had to PAY for the privilege of being a student (and student-athlete).  Athletic scholarships were *originally* introduced basically as a way for schools to field "ringers" who otherwise wouldn't have gone to college - not as a social equality construct that it is now seen to be.  Not to mention the room & board, tutoring, professional training, free gear, etc.

These guys are already pulling in close to $100k/yr (or more, depending on the school) of legal in-kind benefits.  Not that bad of a deal.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 30th, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^

I mean, the schools that still do it the old way are basically Ivies and D3 schools. There's no FBS school that was treating sports the way you're describing. 

When the coaches start making 8 figures, and the AD makes high 6/7 figures just to schmooze, we passed the point of no-return on this stuff being non-professional. 

CHUKA

September 30th, 2019 at 7:16 PM ^

The rule is just allowing them to get paid for their likenesses. This isn’t a bill requiring the schools to pay the athletes or anything. Let’s be honest most of the kids at these elite schools have dreams of making the NFL & NBA and that’s usually above getting a degree. But if there is a student who first and foremost wants his degree that option is obviously still on the table. 

This bill is just allowing college athletes, and more specifically college football and mens basketball players (the highest earning sports), to make money off of their own name like the average student can, and even the college tennis players, golfers, etc.

Not every kid is blessed enough to have mommy and daddy send them money when they need it. Some might even have to be the breadwinners in their families. Normally that kid would get a job, but the NCAA doesn’t even allow that for players during the season. But the chances they’d even have time for a job after film, practice, lifting, games, travel, class, study sessions, etc. are slim. At least let the kids make money from their own name and image. 

Lebron breaks it down well below. And yes, not everyone is Lebron but the scenario he describes applies to these kids at the FBS level. I don’t get how you can be against this if you’re for the kids first. But as a selfish bonus - this rule would help us greatly in pulling elite talent and being able to compete for championships. 

 

https://twitter.com/bengolliver/status/1178751911635193856?s=21

stephenrjking

September 30th, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^

The NCAA is getting worked here, and it deserves it. One of the dangers of a sports organization slow-playing stuff like this (player safety is a similar issue) is that if you don't do something decisive, the government in the form of legislation or a judicial ruling can step in and mug you. Whether government should get involved in sports may be a separate question, but when a sport is this intransigent, the question becomes less relevant. 

Remember, this legislation passed unanimously. It could have passed easily if it had been a partisan vote backed by Democrats, but it wasn't partisan. Everybody supported it. Other bills are showing up in places like South Carolina, which *checks notes* is not similar to California politically. 

Now, could there be unintended consequences? I'm almost positive that this won't play out as smoothly as many seem to think, and there may wind up being some very unpleasant developments in sports. Our teams are not guaranteed to benefit at all. 

But the old system was broken, and the NCAA lost the ability to control the damage by fighting tooth and nail for this. I think we may find that there are some problems and some competitive issues that arise from this (for example, what if shoe companies just start picking winners and losers?) that the NCAA would like to address, but it will no longer have much of a say. Their own fault. 

This should serve as a warning to football and hockey organizations with regard to player safety. As the evidence mounts that head injuries are a serious danger, a turn in public opinion or a key judicial ruling could have dramatic effects on the ability of the sports to be played. It's better to stay ahead of such things by aggressively dealing with the problem before the law gets involved. 

cornman

September 30th, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

Terrible law that is going to end up harming California athletes way more than it helps them.  I hope the California schools get booted from the NCAA.  

 

It seems like it was not so long ago that California elected Arnold Schwarzenegger to be governor, and now they have this stupid, racist piece of shit.  CA went downhill fast.  

Mpfnfu Ford

September 30th, 2019 at 12:29 PM ^

The NCAA's rules are not laws, and they can't restrain trade with schools who are following actual laws. 

The NCAA has gotten laughed out of court every time they've presented their case. They try doing some kind of reprisal to CA and it's going to end up with the Cal State schools owning Mark Emmertt's house.

socalwolverine1

September 30th, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^

Well, Cornman, thanks for sharing how star-struck you are with Arnold! I like him too, as an actor, but obviously, you have no idea how he performed as Governor...spoiler alert: he sucked. Never could bring in a  budget on time and he left office with the state $25 billion in debt. Jerry Brown came in in 2012 and quickly got the state finances under control and running smoothly, and over the next few years paid off the debt (and stockpiled tens of billions for the next downturn) and we've been enjoying huge budget surpluses every year since.