Big Ten East VS Big Ten West 2022 Results to date

Submitted by rice4114 on October 25th, 2022 at 6:26 PM

Most can agree that the divisions have been a lopsided mess over the last several years. Putting the 3 best programs of the last 30 years (UM, OSU, PSU) and a team that was at its programs peak (MSU) in the same division seemed like a bad idea. 

Here are some numbers this season in East vs West head to head:

UM/OSU/Penn State

6-0

230-100 (points for - points against)

Key game - Indiana (dead last in the east ) 23 - 20 Illinois (west division leader)

East winning overall 9-5 with Rutgers leading the way with 2 losses. MSU, Maryland, and Indiana have split their games. Michigan still has Nebraska and Illinois and OSU still has Northwestern. Penn State destroyed one of the better teams in Minnesota just last week as well. 

EAST total points - 398

West total points - 313

Unfortunately this is with Indiana, MSU, and Rutgers included. I still think Illinois is a solid team that would probably got 11-1 in the ACC. 

 

ak47

October 25th, 2022 at 10:44 PM ^

Overall the west has a winning record against the east if you take out osu basically winning all their games against both divisions. It’s not really as lopsided as people make it out to be. The wests problem is they never have the best or even close to elite team. The ceilings of Michigan/psu and osu are much higher than anyone in the west, but it’s not like Michigan and psu are constantly hitting that ceiling.

TK

October 25th, 2022 at 9:31 PM ^

I’m sure I’ve missed conversations about realignment when the California schools come in, but would it make sense to do a North/South? 
 

NORTH:

Minnesota 

Wisconsin 

Michigan

MSU

Iowa 

Penn St 

Nebraska 

Northwestern 

 

SOUTH:

OSU 

UCLA

USC

Rutgers

Indiana

Purdue 

Illinois 

Maryland 

vablue

October 25th, 2022 at 10:56 PM ^

Right, except one problem.  Then you have Michigan and OSU almost never playing USC and UCLA.  Those are huge TV games, does the big ten want to give those up?  Yes, things right now are lopsided but you get the best TV games every year.  Ultimately, the conference is about money not about making even divisions.

Stephen Y

October 25th, 2022 at 11:54 PM ^

My dream is to get to 20 teams, have 4 divisions, and each team plays the teams within their division each year and rotate between the other 3 divisions. This guarantees 9 B1G games per team/season and that each team plays each other at least once every three years. B1G championship game representatives are determined by record  between the divisions that faced each other. 

Walmart Wolverine

October 25th, 2022 at 11:10 PM ^

It'll never happen but I would be all for an A division and a B division with relegation

Only the A division can compete for the conference championship.   Relegation games same day and as appetizer for the B1G championship game.

1VaBlue1

October 26th, 2022 at 6:38 AM ^

Championship game record: 9-0 for the West. And that's all that needs to be said...

Although Wisconsin did win the first two games as a member of the 'Leaders' division, the first over MSU and the second over Nebraska (!!).  I don't know what that means, if anything.

Sione For Prez

October 26th, 2022 at 9:37 AM ^

Wisconsin also finished 3rd in their division in 2012 behind both PSU and OSU after finishing 4-4 in big ten play. But both of those teams were ineligible for postseason play so even counting that Nebraska game as a win for the current west is a pretty big asterisk. 

OSU had already murdered Nebraska 63-38 that year so if they were able to play then I don't have any doubt the outcome would have been the same. Nebraska did beat PSU 32-23 at home that year so I guess that game would have been more of a toss up if PSU had gone while OSU was ineligible. 

energyblue1

October 26th, 2022 at 8:39 AM ^

I was surprised Maryland lost to purdue but then again I thought purdue was solid.  Then they purdon't'ed it and got hammered by wisconsin after they got beat by msu...  The big ten west is a mishmash of teams that have weird dynamics and no stand out that forces the rest of the division to have an identity of football to beat them.  Wisconsin did, Iowa is iowa and Purdue can't get a lines together on either side of the ball to compete the way they should with athletes they are getting...  

IMO though, when Usc/Ucla come, they need to keep the divisions and move Purdue or NW over to the east.  

Usc/Ucla are immediately going to be the top teams in the west and that would force better recruiting by some of the west.  

East Michigan, Osu, Psu, maryland, msu, indiana,rutgers and nw

West Usc, Ucla, Nebraska, wisconsin, iowa, illinois minnesota, purdue  

swap purdue or nw either way.  Imo I do think it's better for the conference to keep purdue in the west.  But that's jmo.  

I also think the Big10 needs to follow the SEC scheduling model but with 9 conference games, 7 division games, 1 locked in rival, 1 rotating home/home game.  

There is no need to force usc/michigan, usc/osu, usc/psu matchups to knock top teams out of cfb contention by adding losses.  Heck, I'd be fine if the big10 went to 8 conference games and rotated cross divsion home and home series.  I'm sick of the sec protecting schedules while the big ten schedules it's teams out of the cfp...    

Venom7541

October 26th, 2022 at 10:03 AM ^

How is this a mess? Because of this, every game in the East means something and any team in the West has a chance of winning their division. Makes for entertaining regular season for different reasons that means something. It was a mess when they had Michigan and OSU in different divisions and The Game was reduced to just a game.

rice4114

October 26th, 2022 at 2:26 PM ^

The rights to destroy Iowa or Wisconsin havent done much to impact the game. It is its own thing and was diminished when we went to divisions and beyond 10 teams. Winning the east division is kinda meh. 

Its perfect for the SEC im sure they love having the top 3-4 teams in the same division. Put Clemson and Georgia in the SEC west and see how that works for them. 

Rutgers-OSU means something?

Northwestern still has a chance to go to the Big Ten championship. That is not a good thing. Bottom line is you cant have the 3 best programs in one division.

Watching From Afar

October 26th, 2022 at 10:09 AM ^

So if you assume historical success is at least somewhat indicative of future success, the Big Ten screwed up the division from the get go.

If you look at the best programs in order historically:

OSU - Blue blood with the resources to always be good

Michigan - Blue blood with the resources to always be good so long as they don't make a terrible coaching hire

Small gap

Nebraska - Blue blood that was teetering on the edge and then made bad hire after bad hire

PSU - Usually the first "near blue blood" mentioned with the resources to always be pretty good

Big Gap

MSU - Most of this was predicated on the 50s and 60s but still

Wisconsin - Most of this was predicated on Alvarez and his immediate successors

Iowa - Always been pretty Iowa

Small Gap

Minnesota - Dependent on 50 years ago

Who cares

So essentially the Big Ten took the #1, #2, #4, and #5 programs historically and put them in the same division. That imbalance was compounded by Nebraska throwing themselves off a cliff and MSU having it's best decade in 40 years. But even if Nebraska rebounded and MSU kind of regressed back to pre-Dantonio success, that still leaves Michigan, OSU, and PSU beating the crap out of each other while the West has, at best, some above average programs beating up on NW and Purdue.

Watching From Afar

October 26th, 2022 at 12:35 PM ^

Currently, yes. But historically PSU is behind Nebraska.

Regardless, if you're looking to set up relatively comparable divisions with equal levels of competition and resources, you wouldn't do what the Big Ten did. They made the East super top heavy with 2 bottom feeders in Indiana and Rutgers and gave the West a bunch of mediocre programs with 1 or 2 potential lead teams who in their best years still can't beat the East's top team.