B12 in talks to add 4 PAC12 Schools per CBS Sports
Per Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports, the Big12 is in deep discussions to add up to 6 Pac12 schools to the conference: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, and Colorado and then possibly Washington and Oregon too.
Epic rant.
Predictable sloppy seconds for the Big 12 desperate to stay relevant.
Nobody knows shit. End post.
You don't know that!
Poor Washington State and Oregon State. No one seems to be lining up to throw them a life preserver.
I "hear" that the BigTen wants Oregon, Washington, and/or Stanford.
I "hear" that the Big12 wants Colorado back, Utah, Arizona, ASU, and Cal.
Utah is an interesting chess piece in this. They should keep their powder dry for as long as possible. Time is on their side.
desperate times
Big 12 is looking ready to be the best "JV" conference.
None of those four schools are football powers. This actually makes the "Power Two" even more likely, IMO.
Now, Washington and Oregon are a different story, and the B1G should be talking to them along with ND and Stanford.
This may be the dumbest idea ever!!!!
The Big Ten better not wait on ND, add Washington and Oregon right now.
Utah would be a good get. They're a great program.
At this point, ND, as many have noted, is the lynch pin.
If they opt to join the B1G, it seems like Stanford, Oregon and Washington would be likely... Cal might be swapped out with one of the latter two due to Stanford's ties to the University of California system.
The talking heads keep talking about money driving the bus, but only in a football sense...the other aspect you don't hear much about is research dollars. As quaint as it may sound, there's more to the University than just the AD...
I'd be curious to see how much of the football revenues go into general university spending versus spending on funding non revenue sports or the football arms race?
back on point - if ND turns down the B1G again, its time to close the doors on them. Personally, I'd make sure USC and Stanford (if they join) stop playing ND
PAC12 about to be gobbled up. The only question is what will be their final resting spots?
B1G?
Big 12?
MWC?
SEC?
ACC?
Personally I would love to see any of Oregon, Washington and Stanford join the B1G. Some will end up in the Big 12, the irony would be if Colorado goes to the Big 12, LOL! The lower tier Pac12 teams will certainly end up in MWC. The only remaining question is if the ACC or SEC will step in and try to grab Oregon or Washington, I don't see Stanford ending up in either one. The B1G may be waiting on Notre Dame but the problem lies in the SEC may grab some schools while they wait. Its in the SEC's best interest to keep Notre Dame independent to frustrate B1G plans.
Edit: I also want to add my thoughts on the AAU and research aspect. While I'm sure that factors in WHICH schools are being added, it certainly isn't driving the bus of expansion. That's all about football revenue and football alone is driving the expansion bus, it just doesn't have the final say on its partners.
It would be cool to see 5 team pods
Stanford Wash Ore USC UCLA
Minny Neb Wisc Iowa Illinois
Purdue Indy Notre Dame PSU northwestern
Mich OSU MSU Rutgers Maryland
I think you have to pair up PSU and Notre Dame. They need to be new rivals.
Purdue Indy Northwestern Rutgers Maryland are interchangeable.
That's fair. AAU membership is definitely something that is desired by the Non AD related faculties...so there isn't a non AAU school, when the vote was taken, that has been accepted by the conference...
I would say if ND doesn't join, its unlikely that Oregon and Washington would be added as they are a net drag on TV revenue, not a plus.
Expansion is purely about Football - otherwise it doesn't affect anything with respect to the average B1G student who isn't involved in sports...
I'd like to know how much football revenue goes into general circulation outside of the AD.... are all those vast sums being spun out to the broader campus or just funding the AD?
Interesting how quickly the 'conference of champions' (DRINK!) is getting dismantled. I wonder if Walton will still say during B16 basketball games.
OR and WA make sense for Seattle and Portland markets purposes. I get that Clemson is decent at the footballing, but SC doesn't have any markets worth having. I'd rather pick up ND and Miami (YTM) for the exposure, markets, and another ND rival of the past 20 years (and c'mon, road trip to Miami in the fall for a game? oh, hell yes). At some point ND has to come to the B16 due to so many historic rivals (SC, PU, MSU, M, YTM) -- too enticing along with the colossal TV contract that would come with it.
Btw, YTM gives a much clearer path to drawing from talent-rich FL and tells the SEC to suck it with a school in their footprint, and not the other way around.
changes by the hour ... looks like PAC 12 - ACC looking to merge .keeping east/west alive and scheduling "long road trips" for non football schools
Wrong thread
At first blush it looks like this is saying Oregon and Washington are wanting to be in the Big 12. But that isn't the case. Oregon, Washington, and also Utah, have time to look at their options. The BIG10(20) is clearly more attractive than the Big 12. The dust is far from settling on this. It doesn't make good business sense for those 3 schools to just immediately join the Big 12. As far as Notre Dame, a very reliable person, who moves in reliable circles, Brett McMurphy, is saying the only thing he's hearing is that Notre Dame will end up in the BIG10(20). Utah, Washington, and Oregon, and also Stanford, added to that would make the BIG10(20) a cut above the SEC in tv viewers/tv money, even if the SEC adds Clemson and Florida St, which will likely happen.
B1G should add UW, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Colorado and ND. Then UVa and UNC. 24 schools, and then work out three 8-team situations, so it becomes more like a throwback to the old days.
Stick Ohio State, MSU and Wisconsin with the five from the east, since they want expansion the most, and the bulk of the original Big Ten sticks together with ND. The west group takes Nebraska.
This would actually be stable up to a group of 30 or so. We could even add my hometown Wazzu Cougs and still have plenty of money.
The Big Ten shouldn't wait for Notre Dame. Set a firm deadline for the Irish to make their call. If they pass, then let them go elsewhere
If the Big Ten's considering 24 teams with four six-team divisions, then getting Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington from the PAC-12 and Virginia, Duke, UNC and Pitt from the ACC might make sense.
A 24-team SEC could include Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Louisville, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A & M, Vanderbilt and Virginia Tech.
Those moves could give the Big XII 16 teams: Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Utah and West Virginia.
The discussions being held "today" in every conference office, across the nation, must be going at a frantic pitch.
I keep seeing Notre Dame mentioned. I do not think they will join anyone. They will remain independent. If any fan base or leaders are more arrogant than Michigan fans it is Notre dame fans.