Another day, another OSU recruiting success story
Don’t leave in late may for the Oregon trail.
He's going to transfer when he realizes OSU only wears those black uniforms like once in every four years. Coach Day lied to you!
They are gonna have to have a lot of transfers at that position. Their last few classes have been crazy at wr
It is crazy and self-perpetuating. The transfers are the only reason they had room for Kaleb Brown.
Based on recruiting he would be the sixth highest ranked on their team. That assumes none of the others that are already there haven’t established themselves. It’s amazing how they can recruit all 4 and 5 star players and convince them they’ll get playing time.
Money talks.
And tattoos.
And cars.
And hookers.
Allegedly.
And wins. They will be in the playoff every year.
The is the best, most correct answer. OSU is CFP-caliber, every year. It's not a tough sell.
It could certainly be a chicken or the egg story.
Michigan has enough talent to win. Play and coach at a higher level.
If you end up being the starter at OSU you are basically guaranteed to be a draft pick. Guys can go there for 2 years and see if they're next in line, if they're not they can transfer to pretty much any other school of their choice and have 3 years left. Guaranteed playing time isn't a better path to the NFL.
Maybe, but Nico Collins was all big ten his 2nd year here. I think there's argument that you are better off going to a school prominent enough where you'll get exposure but not so talent-laden that you aren't very likely to start early.
that's not a hard prediction based on the last 7ish years.
Basically the same the participants.
And they didn't really need the field to expand to 12 to do it either ?♂️
Players are confident in their own abilities and recognize that Brian Hartline is as good a person to coach them into the NFL as exists in college right now.
This guy gets it.
Best answer, part 2. I should have read down farther.
Exactly. Everyone of these 4 & 5 star kids are confident in their ability and the last thing any of them want to hear is that they might have to sit the bench or wait their turn behind the kids already on the team. They all think - well, most of them - that they can make an immediate impact
There have already been 5 guys leave the room since the start of last season, with 2 guys opting out of remaining eligibility after graduating (Elijah Gardiner and Jaylen Harris), 2 transfers (Jameson Williams and Mookie Cooper), and 1 position switch (Gee Scott Jr. to TE).
It becomes clear why Daylen Baldwin chose Michigan instead of Ohio St.
What are the chances we can eek out a win in the next 20 years?
The same as Blutarsky’s GPA.
Survey says…..not great, Bob.
2016 was the chance to close the gap and catch up. That door has been slammed shut, dead-bolted, and sealed up behind a ten foot brick wall. Otherwise the only way to catch up is something terrible has to happen to OSU off the field, or they have to do the exact opposite of what they’ve done for the last twenty years with their next HC search: fuck up the hire.
Only 2016? What about 2018, a game where we were favored, got damn near all the calls our way, plus gifted a muffed kickoff, and still lost by 3 scores?
Or 2019 where we lost by four scores at home?
Favored in before the game, seems silly in retrospect.
2017, if O'Korn just plays at a "meh" level instead of unspeakable level of bad, we win.
That 2018 game was the one that soured me. The year of the stupid ass "Revenge Tour." Wearing those Effing shirts in Ohio Stadium before the game just totally pissing off their players and coaches and we all know the results. They just kept their mouths shut That's totally on our dumbass HC for lack of control
Then you have Chase tweeting "man, what a run" after the game then calling the OSU game a "mirage" in his speech at the banquet.
I like Chase, great player and good dude, but his approach to that game is a complete microcosm of the Harbuagh era.
Seems like the only way this happens is if they get caught doing something that results in the death penalty.
There's no such thing as the death penalty anymore.
Love when people attribute the gaping chasm between the two teams to a single play in 2016.
Your last grip on the side of a mountain before you fall isnt the reason you fell, but it was your last hope.
If JT is marked short, Game Over. Michigan wins, makes the Big Ten Title game, and most likely the CFP. You don’t think anything with the program improves because of it? I imagine there’s still a gap between the two schools, but I don’t think it’s as big as it is if Harbaugh starts 1-1 with a Big Ten title and CFP appearance in year two.
We still signed a top five recruiting class after that season and did nothing with it. If anything things would be worse right now because people would be clinging to that one season not able to let go worse than they already are.
The reason he was not spotted short imo was because the line judge was ten yards down field.
One can’t seriously believe that a single “bad call” near the end of the 2016 ‘Game’ would have altered the current trajectory of UM football. Besides, that call didn’t end the game; we had another chance to stop them on the next set of downs from the 15, and instead our great D allows Samuel to waltz into the end zone on the very next play - untouched. Also look at the stats, they had greater total yards, 1st downs, and most importantly T/O margin. I suggest this last stat was the real deciding factor in this game. Also, we had like 5 yards of offense in the 4th quarter? Just hold onto the ball longer and we win. Can’t make these type of mistakes against a team with elite talent and coaching and expect to win. Fast forward to 2017…
We have good if not great on field talent. The difference is preparation, play calling (both sides of the ball), and execution, and all of this rests with the coaching staff and specifically, the HC. The only chance we have to win ‘the game’ is to improve in these key areas and that ain’t going to happen with JH calling the shots.
Few on this entire blog talk like we have even the slightest chance to win against OSU and JH doesn’t believe it either. We can win 9-10 every year but that won’t be good enough to win a B1G East division much less the elusive conference title. Let’s see what happens…
Despite Nick Saban's Alabama being THE Death Star of the modern college football era, Auburn still won games in 2007, 2010, 2013, 2017, 2019. So against Nick Saban's juggernaut Alabama (which is far superior to Ohio State), Auburn is 5-9 despite inferior recruiting and coaching. And if you count games since Bama won its first MNC season (2009), then Auburn is 4-8.
The "Ohio State recruits too well" bullshit has to stop. There are coaches who would CRAWL over miles of broken glass to have as much talent as Michigan does on its roster. Michigan has enough talent to beat Ohio State.
Heck, just protecting home field would get us to 50%.
But Michigan's mostly *very* underwhelming QB play at Michigan has been a major hindrance. It's also a major shock to me especially given Harbaugh's reputation as a QB Whisperer (which frankly seems like bullshit for today's hyper-aggressive, faster-paced offenses).
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thank you for a well written and logical post. Your Auburn point is excellent and this fan base has been numbed into a defeatist mode by the inept coaching over the last 15 years as our talent level is as good as Auburn's, and to say it is not would contradict all the chest thumping people do about all our draft picks. Clear and simple, our coaching has been underwhelming and antiquated and a huge disservice to the players which are recruited and to this fan base.
I think there was a time or two where Auburn got to play Bama's backup quarterback but your point still stands Alabama is superior to OSU, so the fact that Auburn has that many wins over them is kind of maddening.
OSU's backup quarterback would put up 300 yards against our secondary any year, unfortunately.
If we could just get a good quarterback, maybe we could beat somebody with a pulse on the road. Then we could start to aim our hopes higher...like the pipe dream of beating OSU.
We played against OSU's backup in 2017....he shredded us.
Which is what we expect, sadly.
So many OSU games have those f***you moments. 2017 was the game where I mainly remember our receivers being absolutely wide open against the OSU secondary almost all day. But OKorn didn't throw to them.
*sigh*
The 17 game was toughest. Excellent game plan, had a chance to intercept the ball in the red zone, so many missed throws/reads. I believe it was the last drive, Evan’s was wide open as a check down in the middle of the field…
hoping our quarterback play is much better than theirs.
That fukn Metellus drop
That was a Bartman moment.
Evan’s was wide open as a check down in the middle of the field…
It wasn't a check down. Throwing to Evans was the intent. Completely uncovered. Great play call.
Very frustrating. We win if we get even mediocre gameplay out of O’Korn.
OK...was reading the post about Auburn...and then I thought, well, maybe they recruit much better at Auburn than us since they are in the SEC, and I spent the last hour putting this info together based on star averages per player for the last decade from 247:
Michigan Recruiting (Avg. Rating 247 Composite)
2022---.8882
2021---.8999
2020---.9034
2019---.9078 (Citrus Bowl)
2018---.8875 (Peach Bowl)
2017---.9120 (Outback Bowl)
2016---.8986 (Orange Bowl)
2015---.8781 (Citrus Bowl)
2014---.8990
2013---.9095 (BWW Bowl)
Avg. = 89.84
Auburn Recruiting (Avg. Rating 247 Composite)---Auburn has beaten Alabama 3 of 8 times in this period of the Iron Bowl
2022---.8880
2021---.8838
2020---.9092 (Citrus Bowl)
2019---.9116 (Outback Bowl)
2018---.9022 (Music City Bowl)
2017---.8934 (Peach Bowl)
2016---.9065 (Sugar Bowl)
2015---.9016 (Birmingham Bowl)
2014---.8878 (Outback Bowl).
2013---.8912 (BCS NC Game)
AVG. = 89.75
Auburn actually recruited WORSE than us during this decade, yet still somehow beat Alabama 3 times in 8 opportunities.
To me, that's coaching and lack of development. Same level talent throughout the decade, yet we are 0-fer the decade. There's no excuse....Bama is better than OSU.
It's coaching and lack of player development, yes. But it's also players leaving the team, even when slated to start the next year. It's also the difference in scheme -- OSU has adapted to modern, offense-focused football favored by the rules (less offensive holding calls, more defensive holding calls and PI calls, etc) to create an offensive juggernaut. We are stuck focusing on taking our time on O, playing conservatively, and leaning on (a less-and-less able) defense. This is driven by a difference in philosophy -- OSU focuses on scoring points and crushing opponents, while Michigan focuses on a conservative approach with less variance.
If Michigan wants to beat OSU, they need changes in philosophy, scheme, development, AND coaching. Hopefully, that's coming with the staff changes.
Funny how none of those defensive holding and PI calls went our way in 2016, even when the intended receiver got tackled while the ball was in the air, or even when the neutral, network telecast crew started noticing.