71 of 82 Mississippi Counties Report Covid Outbreaks in Schools
August 17th, 2020 at 8:25 PM ^
Yup.
August 17th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^
Who could of predicted this?*
*Aside from scientists, doctors, epidemiologists, statisticians, and anyone with more than four functioning neurons.
Every dipshit, especially the chief dipshit leaders who continues their dipshittery like this is prolonging the misery for EVERYONE. It is the epitome of violent selfish behavior.
August 17th, 2020 at 8:43 PM ^
Whitmer herself just allowed in class school to return so....
August 17th, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
Positivity rate for Mississippi is over 19%.
For Michigan, it's 2.5%
Just like in other countries, areas that gain some measure of community control get to do more stuff.
August 17th, 2020 at 8:57 PM ^
I’m in macomb county, it’s way higher. They’re still allowing school
August 17th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
Stop lying. It's 7.9% in Macomb, not 19%.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:37 PM ^
Who lied? I just said it’s way higher, 7.9 is way higher than 2.5.
August 18th, 2020 at 12:40 AM ^
7.9 is way higher than the number of brain cells you seem to be using.
August 18th, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^
I call BS on this statistic.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^
7.9% in Macomb County?? I thought it was 7.4%.
August 18th, 2020 at 12:46 AM ^
You might be surprised to learn Whitmer is the governor of all of Michigan, not just Macomb County. There's nothing in her guidance that says local schools can't close or go online only if they don't think it's safe, as many have done to begin the school year.
August 18th, 2020 at 8:13 AM ^
You might be surprised to learn by her own statements on numbers metro Detroit region should be shut back to stage 3, yet we are not. The funny thing is you guys can’t talk without getting your feelings hurt. If metro Detroit opens schools back up we will be around 19 pct again. I don’t want that.
August 18th, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^
Man I really fuckin hate this board sometimes.
August 18th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^
I’m not tough? I’m actually for Whitmer lol you guys have such a bad case of TDS you don’t know who your friends or foes are.
August 18th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^
lololol shut the fuck up. Do you even read half the garbage you post?
August 17th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^
I think it's selfish of you to think it's alright for my young kids not to be educated. 'Cases' don't mean anything.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
Serious question, do you think that people who are positive should be quarantined? The reason I ask is that while you certainly can make the argument that the overwhelming majority of young children will be fine, I think you have to factor in the teachers. It may be true as well that most teachers will be fine but if by every guideline a positive or exposed person must quarantine for approximately 10-14 days you’re going to have a heckuva time keeping the educational system both open AND productive. We don’t have an excess of quality teacher(s) problem in this country. If you’re requiring substitutes on a regular basis I think it’s fair to question the quality of the overall experience. Yes, you might keep children in school but I don’t believe it’s the experience you’re looking for. Just a thought on my part that I believe is being overlooked
August 17th, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^
This is why it was unfortunate we didn’t do more to let this go through the kids this summer when viruses are weaker than in winter.
wasted opportunity
August 18th, 2020 at 6:10 AM ^
First, what evidence do you have that this virus is less virulent during the summer? Doesn't seem likely, as we've seen both hospitalizations and deaths increase over the summer. Second, to what purpose would you want to see kids infected en masse? Initial studies from reliable sources seem to indicate that immunity may not last more than 2-3 months, even less for mild illnesses. There may be no way to accomplish herd immunity through natural infection (which was a horrible option at any rate).
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650
Let science lead the way. Or would you rather use our kids as guinea pigs?
August 18th, 2020 at 8:01 PM ^
The ignorance of this comment is stunning.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:26 PM ^
It doesn't matter what I think. They will be quarantined and schools will be shutdown. I don't think it should be handled that way. If these are the standards, we will never have any sense of normalcy in society again. What do parents like myself do with 5, 7, and 9 year olds? This has already negatively impacted them and it's not going to get any better. I thought educating children was a priority?
August 17th, 2020 at 9:33 PM ^
Of course it’s a priority, right behind keeping people healthy.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:37 PM ^
It doesn't seem like one to me. Tens of millions of kids aren't being educated right now.
August 18th, 2020 at 12:15 PM ^
Ok. Tens of millions of kids need to be educated. Agree. But does that REALLY deserve to be priority #1 for our country?
Exactly how many school age kids are you willing to have die before education becomes priority #2?
How many teachers?
How many janitors and lunch staff?
How many family members of those students, teachers, and janitors/lunch staff?
August 18th, 2020 at 1:55 PM ^
You could argue the same thing about the flu every winter. Why not shut down schools every winter? Heck, why ever have school in school. It would save lives to permanently social distance, wouldn't it?
So, if you're going to ask the question, how about give your answer first? How many people are you willing to let die before you'd cancel school? For flu, Covid, or any other ailment.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:40 PM ^
Just be glad you didn’t have young children in school during and after 9/11.
Kids are more resilient than we think they are.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^
Huh? This is way worse. Kids were in school shortly after 9-11. In fact, I don't remember them missing any school. My girlfriend (now wife) was in her first year of teaching that year and her school was open with the exception of 9-11 itself.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:23 PM ^
Dam right it doesn’t matter what you think. What does matter is what you do. You’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. Best teach your children that normalcy is fluid, life is binary.
August 18th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
Right.
Except that we could literally already be having "normal life" again, right now. Today.
IF you people had taken this shit seriously, and just worn a damn mask, but that was too much for some of you. You have only yourselves to blame, yet here you sit trying to cast that blame at the people who have acted responsibly, for the benefit of all.
Shame.
August 18th, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^
Really? Shame?
Well shame on you for not wearing a mask every winter for as long as you've lived to prevent the deaths from the flu that happen every year. Shame on you for not wearing a mask for your entire life to prevent all the deaths that could've been prevented by you permanently wearing a mask.
I hope you wear a mask for the rest of your life to back up your point. Otherwise, shut up with the "shame" BS. Funny how all these deaths are ok... but oh, no, not Covid deaths! Perspective is perspective.
August 18th, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
Wow.
Head. Desk. Bang.
August 19th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^
No, we wouldn't have a normal life right now. There's no way the virus would have been eradicated by now.
August 20th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
RGard; many other countries in the world would take issue with your statement. First, I didn't say it would be "eradicated" by now (this kind of dishonest argument is exhausting), but by all available information (again, coming from the rest of the real world that we all live in) it's readily apparent that we could have had it well under control by now. But for that, we needed everyone (that means people like you as well) to buy in and wear masks, stay home, and deal with it.
You don't agree. Fine. It doesn't matter, because we're well past that point now. But to deny objective reality, it's just... I don't even know how to describe it anymore. Stupid doesn't begin to cover it. I'm choosing my words carefully, wouldn't want you to report me in the mod sticky.
August 20th, 2020 at 10:16 PM ^
Find a comment of mine stating I would not wear a mask. See, that's where your argument disintegrates.
Start dropping F bombs at people here and I will report you again.
August 21st, 2020 at 9:23 AM ^
You peddle disinformation constantly, daily. It's disgusting, and beyond ignorant. You don't make honest arguments, because you can't. So then when someone who disagrees with you cusses, you run to report them, but you feel like your constant misrepresentations and misinformation are somehow okay. If I'm not mistaken, those are now bannable offenses. So, I'll keep my eye out. Turnabout is fair play.
August 21st, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^
Again, you are welcome to complain to the management. Have at it. I certainly don't mind.
August 21st, 2020 at 10:38 AM ^
Again, I don't do that.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^
We have not had school since March. The virus is still not under control. The best cases are generally states that were hit hard early and now see a slow burn of the virus (a few hundred cassis a day along with a few deaths). The worst areas still having growing case counts and a rising death toll (Though thankfully a lower overall death rate than early in the pandemic)
The question is what does opening school prolong? Are we on a path to controlling/eliminating this? It does not seem like it. It seems like we are on a path to 20.000 to 40.000 cases daily with 400 to 800 deaths daily for the foreseeable future. If we gat a vaccine maybe we knock that down to 5,000 cases a day and 100 or so deaths a day by the end of 2021.
What’s the path out of this and what case/death level must be achieved before we move forward with things?
August 17th, 2020 at 10:54 PM ^
100 deaths a day would be 36,500 in a year. I’m pretty sure we’d be back to normal before then. (Corrected my error in mistyping cases instead of deaths). The point I was making, and I’m sorry this wasn’t clear, is that it should be pretty self evident that 160,000 deaths (and multiple incidences where hospitals have been overwhelmed (meaning ambulances were diverted, patients had to be sent 100s of miles away elective surgeries were cancelled and hospitals still ran out of iCU space) would be quite different than 36,500 deaths in a year.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:26 PM ^
I said deaths not cases. (Edit: You had originally written cases, sorry I did not see your edit) I don’t see how we get down to 100 cases a day nationally for a very long time unless we happen to get a really great (95% effective) vaccine that is almost universally administered. This virus appears to have a long incubation period and people remain positive for weeks. It’s worked its way into every corner of the country.
The only other potential for us to get that low is that a large percentage of the population is naturally immune and/or immunity after having it last for a long period of time.
it just seems like New York situation is the best possible outcome for the foreseeable future. They have been running.around 600 to 800 cases per day and 5 to 20 deaths daily for some times now
August 18th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^
At this point I think the only way out, unfortunately, is herd immunity. It didn't have to be this way, as demonstrated by most of the civilized world, but here we are.
It's gonna get worse.
August 18th, 2020 at 7:50 AM ^
Everyone knew this would happen. The reaction should therefore be muted, not outraged. Of course the virus will pop up in many areas. The main point open schools advocates make is not that the virus won't occur, it's that the virus is at close to zero risk for the kids who test positive. That remains true. And it's at very low risk for the vast majority of teachers as well. Also true.
August 18th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^
So you make the claim it's "very low risk" for a "vast majority" of teachers. I'd like to see any evidence you have to support that statement.
Also, what about those teachers who are in a high-risk category? We are sacrificial lambs for the good of society? When I went into education many years ago, I don't recall signing up for worrying about a potentially life-threatening illness to be passed around my school. I've given an entire career to helping young people, teaching in a poverty-stricken inner-city school district. I shouldn't have to die for the privilege of continuing to do so.
August 18th, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
Are you living off the grid and growing/hunting your own food? If not you are relying on a hell of a lot of people who did not sign up to work while worrying about a potentially life threatening illness. They are still working. Many of them are working despite not having health insurance or employers who are making accommodations for high risk employees like schools districts are.
Low risk depends on how you define it. The current IFR is at or below 0.6% with the hospitalization rate below 2%. If you are under 65 the numbers are lower. Under 55 even more so. Vast majority would fall under that definition for most people.
Moving forward there will be some risk of the disease at your work for a very long time. It comes down to how much risk you are willing to accept. If it’s zero (most people don’t have that option) then you are going to have to go into online teaching because zero risk is unlikely for years if ever.
August 18th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^
I don't understand why teachers feel like they're in some special category that sets them apart from others when it comes to this issue. In fact, I'd argue that they have an 'essential job' which is vital to society. That's what they told everyone prior to this crisis. My wife is a teacher and she thinks it's her duty and obligation to teach kids as long as appropriate safety measures are put into place. They like to call people who want children to be educated 'selfish,' but I think they're being selfish for only thinking about themselves instead of the greater community.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:21 AM ^
I don't envy the school boards position to make these decisions with so many passionate sides, and no clearly right or wrong decision. I do wish that we knew what was needed to open a safe school. Especially the k-5 group. I really believe that our community would have come together to ensure that there were masks, sanitation stations, and barriers in the classroom. I agree that there should be online options for both teachers and students who need it, but I was hoping for an understanding of how we move forward.
I fully believe in public schools and want my kids to be in them. My wife and I are considering putting our kids into a private school. I'd much rather my resources went to the public schools in my area to help get kids and teachers and bus drivers and lunch ladies, all back to school safely. Wish that we had that leadership and plan from the very top, but it appears it's up to the states and communities to get it done.
August 18th, 2020 at 9:48 AM ^
Ok if you'd like to engage in hyperbole go ahead. Are you in the high risk category? If not your comment is ridiculous. High risk people should be allowed to opt out of teaching, with pay, if they can prove they are. I can state that the majority of teachers are at low risk for one reason-the majority of people are at low risk. Those are the facts. Read them, Teach them.
August 18th, 2020 at 10:08 AM ^
How am I engaging in hyperbole? I agree that high risk teachers should be allowed to teach from home, but the vast majority of teachers aren't in the high risk category.
August 18th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
I was addressing the person who said they were risking death