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Gross…
Of the top 9 players in the 2021 class, 3 each are going to Bama or Ohio State.
NIL basically gave OSU and the SEC an easier path for the bagmen.
And good football players like to win.
And good DEs like to be coached by Larry Johnson.
A monumental f-up by PSU letting him go
What's Larry Johnson done besides getting 3 Defensive Ends drafted in the top 3 in the last five years?
If you were a DE why in the world would you go to OSU?
Exactly...College Football is what it is and it'll be like this for a long time.
Kids want money, either now (under the table), later (in the NFL), or both. They also want to win. They want to play with other great talents. They want to go against great talent in practice every day.
You see it in the pros and it's the same in CFB, the top 5 programs are what they are, there's a next tier with about the same number of teams and then there is a HUGE Tier 3 of teams that could be in the mix one year but will likely never have anything sustainable.
OSU, Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia...they're just going to continue collecting talent.
I honestly believe the "secret" is going to be who is going to be the first to figure out how to take advantage of the transfer portal and one time transfer rule (instead of going all out on HS recruiting)?
That's where I'd make a shift in my process (assuming I'm at a place that will take a bunch of transfers). If I'm Texas, I might try a class of 15 HS kids and 10 transfers every year.
Teams figured it out in basketball, which is a lot easier with only 5 guys on the floor. But someone is going to pioneer that model for football.
Oh man I am very sad to see Kiki used this way.
She should at least be paid for the use of her name/image/likeness.
Shut the hell up with this bullshit lame ass excuse. If you don’t think we have bagmen your an idiot. And if we truly don’t have bagmen than we truly are a second tier program. Only a loser uses cheating to explain the success of another program. Does it really surprise you when Alabama and Ohio state are getting the best athletes? What kinda dumbass high school kid doesn’t wanna go to either of those schools? Cmon man stop this crap
It’s a coping mechanism.
"your an idiot"
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And a misuse of than…bravo
He's an OSU graduate
I'd much rather say we don't have bagmen. Because if we do, then our bagmen suck.
Seriously though, I don't think the presence of bagmen are as prevalent under this administration as you insist. The people I know on the inside tell me that the Schlissel & Co won't allow the athletic department to take a casual attitude toward the rules to be competitive.
As long as the hospital is profitable and the university is the #1 public university (7 years running) and moving up in the US News and World Report he feels he is doing his job.
He treats athletics with a sort of mild neglect and will occasionally appease the necessary stakeholders so he can get back to what he cares about. Harbaugh's hire was exactly done with that attitude.
Ucla and UC Berkley are ranked higher than Michigan.
Then Schlissel has work to do and he REALLY won't care about the football program.
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The fact that their own players admitted that they get paid doesn’t move you? Then you say,”if we don’t have bagmen?” Your statement says it all. There’s a huge difference in OSU and MICHIGAN’S approach to moneybags and I’m not paraphrasing. I know kids who’ve played in our program. Terrell Pryor and Maurice Clarett are easy to look up. It’s ok to say,”you’re weak because you say OSU cheats.” However, you’re weak,”to think OSU players are lying!” We will never pony up and give certain players the numbers the are requesting for their signature, period.
There are bagmen and then there are bagmen... And whether we have them or not, we're still a second tier program. When I truly accepted this is when my mood became immune to the ups and downs of Michigan football. Even if we were to win a national championship next year by some miracle, we would STILL be a second tear program. Make two championship games in a row with at least one win and then the conversation starts about being in the top tier. That's just the reality we (and about 127 other FBS schools) live in unfortunately.
Our coaches don’t get the most out of the players we do get. Our results consistently underperform our recruiting rankings. We lose to teams like decimated MSU in year 6 of our savior coach. Bagmen can’t make the coaching more competent. Bagmen or not, elite players want to win and they want to be put in a position where they can show off their talents. Our coaching staff does neither. OSU would out recruit us even without bagmen. If you’re the parent of an elite athlete, you understand this. Even athletes are smart enough to know this. If you’re an elite qb, are you gonna go to OSU or M? What about RB? Bagmen or not, these guys are getting big paychecks in the NFL because they didn’t come to M. Whatever the bagmen contributed is peanuts. Enough of this nonsense.
Here's to hoping that UM's bagmen up their game and make that blue cheddar rain!
Not really. Unless they hit the transfer portal but that doesn’t impact recruiting rankings
After this commitment, OSU is nipping at Alabama's heals for the greatest 247 Composite class ever. Alabama has more recruits to factor in but both classes blew by Urban's 2017 class (94.59) with the highest avergage / recruit ever. Sickening
Brings them up to 94.7, still a bit behind Bama’s 95
The 247 Composite adjusted their ranking and Bama has a 95.00 to OSU's 94.76. What's unreal is that we're having a decent recruiting year and only two of our recruits - Johnson and Morris - have rankings higher than their average team rankings. Hard to beat teams like that when the talent level is that wide
There was a stat posted a while back and for the life of me I can’t find the graphic. But it said something along the lines of, there are 5 schools that get over half of the top 100 recruits every year.
For comparison sake, OSU scored a 316 in the 2021 class to rank #2. Michigan finished #13 with a score of 260. That 56 point difference is the same as the difference between #13 Michigan and #34 Kentucky or #35 NC State. Kentucky had 4 4* players and NCSU had 3. That’s the talent gap difference Michigan is looking at with OSU on an annual basis right now.
....and add to that the coaching gap and....
If you take out OSU’s punter (even the best punter in the country is still a middle of the road three star and Alabama doesn’t have one to pull their average down) their average player ranking is .9539. A bit higher than Alabama’s record class average.
It’s time to move “The Game” to earlier in the season with playoff expansion coming. If Michigan loses to osu in week 4, there’s still time to impress the committee and earn a playoff spot, but I doubt they will be anxious to put Michigan in if they lose their final game. Beat OSU and you’ll probably make the playoffs regardless of when it takes place.
If you take Bama’s middle of the road 3* TE out, they go back ahead of OSU ??♂️ You can play the cherry picking game both ways if you wanted to
I think his point is that a punter or kicker - not "real" football players. pulls down the team average bigtime. CF teams do not take them (punters and kickers) every year. What, once every 3 years or so ? And many have these players walk on and reward them with a scholarship later on
NIL will only make this worse.
The only way the nil helps Michigan is if we use the money cannon and far and away outdo every other program at the top.
Nah, it should actually balance things out more. It doesn’t benefit a player to be the 6th or 7th best player in his class at a top school and play most of your career out of the spotlight when he could commit somewhere like Michigan or Penn State and be the best or 2nd best player, and be much more marketable as a result.
This is correct. It is just going to take time and coupled with the playoff expansion, it will be several years before things will begin to level off a bit.
I understand part of your argument but on the other side is the NFL draft. I read a few weeks ago that if OSU has at least 10 players drafted in the next NFL draft (a very good chance), they'll become the first CF school to have at least 10 (double digit) players drafted 4 years in a row. That is a HUGE recruiting tool for them. All of these 4 and 5 star recruits have the NFL as their main football goal
In other words, they can tell a blue chip recruit that you might have to wait your turn and be out of the spotlight for a couple of years, but there's a good chance - if you're patient - that your turn will come and the NFL will come calling
In the last three drafts, osu has had 28 picks vs 23 picks for Michigan.
Over the last 5 drafts osu leads 42-36. The NFL comes calling at Michigan too.
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The talent gap between Michigan and OSU is much smaller than the talent gap betweeen Michigan and Wisconsin, or Michigan and MSU. And yet....
That's true! Some receivers have even gone to the NFL despite choosing to attend Michigan!
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself from screaming about throwing the ball to Nico! Michigan has done a good job getting a lot of defensive players and linemen into the league even if they were not viewed as top tier recruits.
We choose to look at this differently. I see the success of putting guys in the NFL as a failure to use them appropriately at M. How can a team put so many guys in the draft but have such disproportionate results with them in college?
It isn’t like the elite prospects wouldn’t also be going to the NFL if they went elsewhere though. Michigan puts a ton of kids into the NFL without the recruiting accolades or on-field success of OSU
Absolutely true. Not saying UM doesn't have success in the NFL draft - it does. But according to the 2020 NFL rosters listing, Alabama had 56 players, OSU 50. LSU followed with 41, and Michigan had 33. I get a lot of my info from the Columbus news sources (living in Delaware OH) and of course much of it is slanted. But before Meyer, OSU was usually in the 5 to 10 ranking range and both UM and OSU were pretty much equal with players in the NFL - for the most part
Wash, rinse, repeat.
When is the CFP going to expand again?
It won’t make a difference. This is as much a generational phenomenon as a political creation (the NCAA isn’t government but it’s very political).
Past generations of athletes had a “hero” mentality; they wanted to be the storied legend and peers of comparable ability were rivals. Today’s athletes have a “bully” mentality; they want to band together and steamroll the competition by riding success built by others.
So even if you fixed all the issues with college athletics today, they’d still go to Bama and OSU.
It will increase our chances of making the playoffs, it may not make a difference of beating any of those top teams due to the way they have been recruiting.
Seems like the only way to challenge that would to find and foster the “fearless underdog” mentality within a program.
Exactly. JH needs to channel the guy who allowed Stanford to overtake USC. Start competing and beating them--there are other components but without this, I don't think you catch them in recruiting.