QB Angst
I find it amazing how the value of Threet is being overstated almost as a badge of wisdom amongst the Michigan writing elite (whoever that is...people like Rivals folks and established bloggers; I know Brian is composing something along these lines at this very moment). It is an obligatory, painful thing to watch. I think it's horseshit. If it's a sign of respect for Threet, then whatever. I am not inclined to go out of my way to be hushed and respectful to people who don't honor their commitments. I won't slam the kid, but I am not going to mute my opinion of his worth as he heads out.
He was not a good QB. Any potential he had was, like sandpaper on skin, painful and at the expense of how RR wanted to conduct football here at Michigan. He was a living, breathing, walking, snapping, throwing example of a square peg. The upside for the square peg fitting into the round hole is never high.
There are many, many, many, many, many reasons why the prospects of these incoming freshman are vastly higher than with Threet.
1. Threet = square peg; Forcier and DRob = roung peg
2. One more year for the other 100 players in RR's system
3. The OLine will be vastly improved. The read option handoff, which was usually into Molk's butt, will likely be viable
4. RB is more settled and the weapons are many
5. More electrons
6. Easier schedule
7. Better defense expected, although this puppy has yet to be fleshed out. One would assume that cohesion on the defensive system and the emergence of some LB talent would make the D better. Can they get worse?
All in all, I'd rather have Threet. Not starting, mind you, just around. I would have been much more concerned if Mouton transferred or Ryan Van Bergen.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:26 PM ^
I feel that Threet would have stayed if he felt that he would get some playing time this season. I am not sure if RR told him something, or if Threet just thinks Tate is better than him, but I am sure that he would have stayed if he thought he had a chance.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:30 PM ^
You really should change your profile pic, no fair imitating WolvinLA.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:47 PM ^
He may be famous (Is he?) but I chose this well before I ever heard of him. I'll probably change it sometime in the next month.
Sorry for using the best picture out there.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:39 PM ^
The Crable death-blow is an awesome image. Sorry to be a dick.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:31 PM ^
Not that I had any options, but did you every think that way when playing a sport? That your commitment to the team depending on playing time? I recall playing my heart out when I got the chance and earning a little extra time that way. I don't get this new thinking. Maybe what Smith said about some decommitments being good (Beaver, Newsome) applies to transfers as well.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:02 PM ^
Threet does have a chance at the pro's unlike schlubs like us. If he is a fringe prospect for the league then not playing for 2+ years kills his chances. They are looking at this as a career choice, not just a college choice. I'm not saying that Threet is a pro-prospect, but any chance he has is going to be at another program.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:17 PM ^
Even more to the point, he came into the program to ride the pine behind Ryan Mallet. He only really had the potential of starting his final season, barring an injury to Mallet. Admittedly things have changed, but this isn't a kid who expected excessive amounts of playing time when he made his first transfer.
It's odd, hurts our depth chart something fierce, but I still wish him well.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:28 PM ^
I'm with ya. It's almost like some of the same people who were so excited with the Forcier and Robinson signings are suddenly card-carrying members of the Steven Threet Fan Club.
If Threet had simply hit his open recievers last year, UM would have gone to a bowl. He didn't and they didn't.
The only way Threet would have been an asset is for depth. Now, we have to hope that either Forcier or Robinson can peform like Rick Leach or Chad Henne and not get injured.
I still think UM wins nine this year.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^
I agree with Dan. He wasn't very good last year. Will he be good? We shall see. I remember saying last season that I wished Sheriden to die and Threet to become a quadra-peligic (sp?) This can't help, but it may not really hurt.
p.s. i was kidding about the death and paralysis thing.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:44 PM ^
I dunno; we'll have to see what happens during spring practice. We'll get a good idea then if Forcier is ready or not.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:47 PM ^
I'm actually happy because now RR has no excuse to even try to get him into a game just because he has the "experience" of being put on his ass.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:53 PM ^
While I agree with the premise that Threet wasn't going to be a superstar under RR's system, all this crap about "honoring a commitment" needs to stop. From all accounts, he joined UM intending to play under Lloyd Carr. So after sitting out his first year, he was about to challenge for Henne's open spot when the coaching change occurs and he is thrust into a new system, with an incredibly young and, face it, low-talent team, and has to adjust along with everyone else. He then goes out and plays reasonably well, gets hurt, then struggles through the rest of a forgettable season. Still, the kid stuck through it, didn't mouth off to the media, and by all accounts kept plugging away, trying to get better.
But about halfway through last season, the talk about his replacement started to make the rounds on the internet. All off season, while he's working out and trying to at least compete for a shot at starting QB, he's hearing people electronically fornicate with two freshmen who, until about a month ago, hadn't stepped foot on this campus for more than a weekend. They were already anointed QB and QB-1, and everyone already relegated Threet to the bench or, at best, starts in the first few games. And while I have no proof of this, I suspect that this sentiment had leaked into the locker room and, to an extent, the coaching staff. Tate was getting first-team reps, Robinson was make strides, etc., and Threet probably saw the writing on the wall. He wasn't in Michigan's future, and so why the hell does he need to bow down to the mighty M and all of the internet pundits who lap up the Myth That Bo Built, that every young man's dream is to don the Michigan Blue and serve the Wolverine Nation, and that somehow riding the bench at UM is something noble even when you have no real chance to compete for the job you were brought in to do. He is a smart kid, and he made the decision that was the best for him, which is what every freaking person on this board AND on this team would do.
So no, I don't fault him for leaving. Threet gave his best to this team, and anyone who says he cost us last season obviously didn't watch that team. I never expected Threet to go down in the annals of Michigan lore, but he deserves far better than the beating he has taken both on the field and off.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:03 PM ^
Nope. Don't buy it. You make a good point that he was transferring into a Lloyd system. But spare me. This is prima donna crap. What about every other player on this list who isn't appreciated, was a Carr guy, may lose his starting job, etc?
Name Pos. Yr. Exp. Ht./Wt. Hometown (last school)
3 Steve Brown S Jr. 2V 6-0/209 Dallas, IN (Columbus East)
4 Brandon Minor RB Jr. 2V 6-1/214 Richmond, VA (Varina)
4 Marcus Witherspoon LB Fr. HS 6-2/225 , ()
5 Charles Stewart S Sr. 3V 6-2/206 Farmington Hills, MI (Harrison)
5 Carson Butler TE Sr. 2V 6-5/250 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
6 Donovan Warren CB So. 1V 6-0/180 Long Beach, CA (Poly)
7 Benjamin Sutton WR Jr. 5-11/190 Miller Place, NY ()
7 Terrance Robinson WR Fr. HS 5-9/170 , ()
8 Nick Sheridan QB Jr. 2V 6-1/212 Saline, MI (Saline)
8 Jonas Mouton LB Jr. RS 6-2/230 Los Angeles, CA (Venice)
9 Martavious Odoms WR Fr. HS 5-9/171 , ()
9 Marell Evans LB So. 1V 6-3/231 Richmond, VA (Varina)
10 Steven Threet QB Fr. RS 6-5/228 Adrian, MI (Adrian)
12 Karl Tech S . HS 5-10/191 Grosse Pointe, MI ()
12 David Cone QB Jr. RS 6-7/214 Greenville, GA (Statesboro)
12 J.T. Floyd CB Fr. HS 6-0/190 , ()
13 Greg Mathews WR Jr. 2V 6-3/207 Honolulu, FL (Edgewater)
14 Justin Feagin QB Fr. HS 6-0/190 , ()
14 Morgan Trent CB Sr. 3V 6-1/188 Brighton, MI (Orchard Lake St. Mary's)
15 Caleb White WR Jr. 5-9/184 Akron, OH ()
15 Michael Cox RB Fr. HS 6-0/206 Boston, MA ()
16 Roy Roundtree WR Fr. HS 6-0/154 , ()
17 Tony Anderson CB . HS 5-11/181 Redondo Beach, CA ()
17 Toney Clemons WR So. 1V 6-3/201 Pittsburgh, PA (Valley)
18 Ryan Sheridan QB Jr. 6-3/180 West Bloomfield, MI ()
18 James Rogers WR So. 1V 6-1/180 Detroit, MI (Lamphere)
19 Zach Johnson CB . HS 6-2/197 Morenci, MI ()
20 Michael Shaw WR Fr. HS 6-0/185 , ()
21 Junior Hemingway WR So. 1V 6-1/214 Conway, SC (Conway)
22 Bobby Centrelivre CB Jr. 6-0/180 Plymouth, MI ()
22 Darryl Stonum WR Fr. HS 6-2/190 Stafford, TX (Dulles)
23 Carlos Brown RB Jr. 2V 6-0/213 Newman, GA (Heard County)
24 Kevin Grady RB Sr. 2V 5-9/228 Ada, MI (East Grand Rapids)
25 Kenny Demens LB Fr. HS 6-1/226 , ()
25 Doug Rogan WR . HS 6-1/185 Grass Lake, MI ()
25 Doug Rogan WR . HS 6-1/185 Grass Lake, MI ()
26 Zion Babb WR So. 1V 6-1/189 Alhambra, CA (Alhambra)
26 Nick Koenighsknecht S Jr. 5-10/178 Davisburg, MI ()
27 Brandon Harrison S Sr. 3V 5-9/206 Dayton, OH (Chaminade-Julienne)
28 Jordan Reilly S . HS 5-10/185 Taylor, MI ()
28 Jordan Reilly S . HS 5-10/185 Taylor, MI ()
28 Brandon Smith S Fr. HS 6-3/210 , ()
29 Troy Woolfolk CB So. 1V 6-0/195 Sugar Land, TX (Dulles)
30 Chris Berry P Jr. 6-3/205 East Kentwood, MI ()
30 Shakir Edwards S Jr. 3V 6-0/210 Detroit, MI (Martin Luther King)
31 Ryan Meyers WR . HS 6-3/197 Adrian, MI ()
32 Vince Helmuth FB So. 1V 6-1/261 Indianapolis, MI (Saline)
33 Boubacar Cissoko CB Fr. HS 5-9/175 , ()
34 Jason Gingell K Sr. 3V 5-9/194 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
34 Avery Horn RB Fr. HS 5-10/185 Hanford, CA (Hanford)
35 Doug Dutch CB Sr. 3V 5-11/204 Bowie, MD ()
35 Jim Potempa RB . 5-7/175 Mundelein, IL ()
35 Jim Potmpa RB . 5-7/175 Mundelein, IL ()
36 Jacob Stoll WR Jr. 6-0/176 Dexter, MI ()
36 Taylor Hill LB Fr. HS 6-2/205 Youngstown, OH ()
37 Ricky Reyes WR Jr. 5-11/170 Macomb, MI ()
38 Mike Milano RB Sr. 2V 5-7/193 Rocky RIver, OH ()
38 Artis Chambers S So. 1V 6-0/202 Fort Wayne, IN (Snider)
39 Will Heininger DE . HS 6-6/239 Ann Arbor, MI ()
40 Marcos Esparza WR . HS 6-1/191 Sturgis, MI ()
40 Michael Williams S Fr. HS 5-11/185 Nairobi, CA (St. Bonaventure)
41 Zoltan Mesko P Sr. 2V 6-5/235 Timisoara, OH (Twinsburg)
42 J.B. Fitzgerald LB Fr. HS 6-3/230 , ()
43 John McColgan FB . HS 6-1/220 Saginaw, MI ()
43 Bryan Wright K Jr. RS 6-1/219 Youngstown, OH (Salem)
44 Mark Moundros FB Jr. RS 6-1/232 Farmington Hills, MI (North)
45 Obinna Ezeh LB Jr. RS 6-2/247 Grand Rapids, MI (Catholic Central)
46 Jon Bills TE . HS 6-3/225 Farmington Hills, MI ()
46 Brandon Logan LB Sr. 3V 6-1/208 Lexington, KY (Lexington Catholic)
49 John Thompson LB Sr. 3V 6-1/239 Detroit, MI (Crockett)
50 Ohene Opong-Owusu LB Sr. 2V 6-2/233 West Bloomfield, MI (Walled Lake Western)
50 David Molk OL Fr. HS 6-2/282 Palos Hills, IL (Lemont)
51 Mike Fish LB Jr. 6-0/201 Kalamazoo, MI ()
52 Kevin Leach LB . HS 6-1/202 Kentwood, MI ()
52 Stephen Schilling OL Jr. RS 6-5/295 Bellevue, WA (Bellevue)
53 Ryan Van Bergen DE Fr. HS 6-6/265 Las Vegas, MI (Whitehall)
54 Austin Panter LB Sr. 3V 6-3/231 Wichita, KS (Kensington)
55 Brandon Graham DE Jr. 2V 6-2/270 Detroit, MI (Crockett Tech)
56 Ricky Barnum OL Fr. HS 6-2/265 , ()
57 Elliott Mealer OL Fr. HS 6-6/280 , ()
58 Brandon Herron LB Fr. HS 6-2/218 Sugar Land, TX (Dulles)
59 Sean Griffin LS Sr. 3V 6-2/243 Livonia, MI (Catholic Central)
59 Paul Gyarmati LB Fr. HS 6-2/225 , ()
60 Brendan Lopez LS . HS 6-0/232 Bellevue, WA ()
60 David Moosman OL Sr. 2V 6-5/292 Amsterdam, IL (Libertyville)
61 Zac Ciullo OL Fr. HS 6-1/268 Bloomfield Hills, MI (Brother Rice)
62 Tim McAvoy OL Sr. 2V 6-6/288 Bloomington, IL (Bloomington)
63 Rocko Khoury OL Fr. HS 6-5/280 , ()
64 Kurt Wermers OL Fr. HS 6-5/260 , ()
65 Patrick Omameh OL Fr. HS 6-4/260 , ()
66 William Bostic LB Jr. RS 5-10/219 Stafford, TX (Thurgood Marshall)
67 Terrance Taylor DT Sr. 3V 6-0/319 Muskegon, MI (Muskegon)
68 Mike Martin DT Fr. HS 6-2/285 Detroit, MI ()
69 Michael Ramirez OL Jr. RS 6-3/288 Austin, TX (Bowie)
70 Bryant Nowicki OL Jr. RS 6-9/326 Bay City, MI (John Glenn)
71 Mark Ortmann OL Sr. 2V 6-7/294 Klein, TX (Klein)
72 Mark Huyge OL Fr. HS 6-6/292 Grand Rapids, MI (G.R. Catholic Central)
73 George Morales LS Fr. HS 6-0/268 , ()
75 Cory Zirbel OL Sr. 2V 6-5/292 Murray, KY (Murray)
78 Dann O'Neill OL Fr. HS 6-7/295 , ()
79 Perry Dorrestein OL Jr. RS 6-7/308 Plainfield, IL (Plainfield Central)
80 Martell Webb TE So. 1V 6-4/249 Pontiac, MI (Northern)
81 Steve Watson TE Fr. HS 6-4/242 Denver, CO (Mullen)
82 LaTerryal Savoy WR Sr. 2V 6-3/210 Mamou, LA (Mamou)
83 Mike Massey TE Sr. 3V 6-5/225 Brecksville, OH (Cleveland St. Ignatius)
84 K.C. Lopata K Sr. 3V 6-2/233 Farmington, MI (Farmington)
84 David Middleton WR Jr. RS 6-2/191 Southfield, MI (Country Day)
86 Kevin Koger TE Fr. HS 6-4/220 , ()
88 Brandon Moore TE Fr. HS 6-6/221 Dayton, OH ()
88 Andre Criswell DE Sr. 2V 6-2/264 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
89 Jon Conover WR Jr. RS 6-3/199 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
89 Tim North DE Sr. 2V 6-1/260 Linden, MI (Linden)
90 Tim Jamison DE Sr. 3V 6-3/263 Riverdale, IL (Harvey Thorton)
91 Tom Pomarico OL . HS 6-4/248 Jackson, MI ()
92 Jason Olesnavage K Sr. 2V 6-5/214 Ferndale, MI (Ferndale)
92 Greg Banks DE Jr. RS 6-4/258 Denver, CO (Montbello)
93 Jason Kates DT Jr. RS 6-2/339 Harrisburg, PA (Bishop McDevitt)
94 John Ferrara DT Jr. RS 6-4/274 Staten Island, NY (Monsignor Farrell)
95 Renaldo Sagesse DT So. 1V 6-4/308 Montreal, PQ (Vieux)
96 Mike Therman TE Jr. 6-4/236 Ann Arbor, MI ()
97 Scott Schrimscher K . HS 5-10/186 Canton, MI ()
97 Will Johnson DT Sr. 3V 6-5/285 Oakland, MI (Lake Orion)
99 Sam Buckman K Jr. RS 6-4/216 Tonka Bay, MN (Minnetonka)
99 Adam Patterson DE Jr. 2V 6-3/259 Columbia
Threet, Mallett, Mustain...prima donna attitude at a prima donna position. Get in there and prove people wrong.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:07 PM ^
was the best we had last year and was playing hurt for most of the season. If you think a true freshman QB is going to do better I think you need to watch more football.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:09 PM ^
Why the heck did you post MGoBlue as a comment? Sure, some guys are pissed. Butler is trying to be "drafted" because RR basically kicked him out, Avery Horn is transferring, etc. Where are the posts about those guys leaving, calling them prima donnas? Sure, some kids "stick it out", but you don't think some of them (especially the upper classmen) have figured out they won't be able to transfer to a better school, might be too far along to warrant any interest, just not that good, etc? It isn't a "prima donna" to leave a program that doesn't want you any more; its a sign of intelligence and foresight that I'm never going to fault someone for having.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:20 PM ^
Huh? What does that first sentence mean?
February 16th, 2009 at 3:51 PM ^
He is referring to the fact that you cut and pasted the roster off of MGoBlue.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:31 PM ^
Lord. Every now and then I dip my toe in this water, and I regret it. As if that has anything to do with the point that Threet's situation is not unique.
Next time I will make sure to call the AD and write down all the names longhand and then type them up one at a time in a different format.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:45 PM ^
I wasn't knocking you for being efficient - I was knocking you for copying any entire list and not even eliminating the names of guys that completely refuted your point.
February 16th, 2009 at 5:25 PM ^
Too much time. I figured you'd see the point.
February 16th, 2009 at 6:20 PM ^
Maybe your feet stink. If that's the case, maybe it's better for all parties if you just don't step in this pond anymore.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:44 PM ^
It looked like you went to the roster page of MGoBlue and posted its in the comments. You listed guys like Stonum and Odoms who were recruited by RR as examples of guys "sticking it out." What's your point in that? Sure they are sticking it out - they were recruited to play in this system.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:12 PM ^
Seriously. Have you spoken to Threet, personally, about this transfer? Nobody has any real idea. Maybe the kid just didn't like Ann Arbor.
Before you start firing the hyperbole shotgun full PRIMA DONNA shells at him, could you give him a slight benefit of the doubt? I mean, he did do more for Michigan than literally any of us.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:14 PM ^
Threet was a 4-star, Elite-11 QB. If he can find the right situation, I'm sure that at least HE believes that he can play well enough to warrant NFL attention. Is he supposed to abandon that goal to ride the pine at Michigan? Spare me.
What about playing through two injured arms and a concussion screams "Prima dona" to you?
February 16th, 2009 at 3:19 PM ^
This is QB elitism. You don't think other guys were 4 stars with NFL aspirations? Prima dona is expecting playing time rather than working your hardest to earn it. To transferring to your third team in three years because the "situation isn't right for you." Play frigging football and prove people wrong.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:23 PM ^
Prima dona is expecting playing time rather than working your hardest to earn it.
Sure, if you're going to automatically assume he didn't work hard, you have a point. Unfortunately, we don't get to fabricate our sets of circumstances. What, exactly, about playing through myriad injuries would lead you to insult his work ethic?
Why should they sacrifice their professional hopes playing a system that you yourself have gone blue in the face pointing out they don't belong in? He had no problem transferring into the same class as the #1 QB recruit in the nation - what does that say about his willingness to compete.
If you have been trained as a chemical engineer, and your boss comes to you and tells you that, since you're an engineer, your new job is to design airplanes, would you suck it up and do something that you're unqualified for, or would you go try to find another job as a Chem E?
February 16th, 2009 at 3:34 PM ^
Are you obtuse? My initial post made no judgment re: his reason for leaving. The post you are criticizing is in response to bronxblue arguing he was leaving for legitimate reasons because he was the "odd man out." Therefore, I am arguing that such thinking is prima dona thinking.
As usual, you are pompously wrong.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:37 PM ^
"I think it's horseshit. If it's a sign of respect for Threet, then whatever. I am not inclined to go out of my way to be hushed and respectful to people who don't honor their commitments. I won't slam the kid, but I am not going to mute my opinion of his worth as he heads out."
You are right, you didn't imply he was a douche or wimp or anything of the like with that comment. Absolutely not.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:51 PM ^
Well, porn boy, will you please tell chitown that? Sheesh. I thought you two were the same leftist dude, one side depraved, the other side a popinjay.
Logic and communism doesn't go very well together, I guess. The argument was the prima dona assertion. As for "horseshit," that refers to the idea that Threet's contribution was valuable.
"Are you obtuse? My initial post made no judgment re: his reason for leaving."
Again, the Straw Man Liberation Army at it again.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:57 PM ^
Yes, I'm really a communist. Absolutely. And it's totally relevant to this discussion, as well.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:30 PM ^
MAO LOLDONG AMIRITE?
February 18th, 2009 at 9:24 AM ^
or Chitown, he better have his copy of Atlas Shrugged with him so he can ward off your Communist cooties. THE POWER OF AYN COMPELS YOU!
P.S. Seriously, you guys should stop being Communists. Think of the children.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:04 PM ^
You can spout your dumbfuckery all you like, but don't knock porn in an off-handed manner. I don't know where I'd be if I couldn't watch a shemale fuck a mongoose at the click of a button
February 16th, 2009 at 4:06 PM ^
You're accusing us of constructing strawmen by arguing you with nothing other than your own quotes? And then acting as if you're mature (I'm 46! I'm a man!) while calling one person "porn boy", and then calling me either a parrot or gay, (or a gay parrot?) depending on how you meant it. THEN, you reference our website, which is 100% irrelevant to the conversation, while ignoring any substantive argument we've made.....and act like you win?
February 16th, 2009 at 4:27 PM ^
No. By taking the quotes out of context.
No. Popinjay (you should look it up) means "a person given to vain, pretentious displays and empty chatter" which describes you to an absolute T.
No, there was no substance. And that was some ol' dex love going back a ways. Don't sweat it.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:38 PM ^
I am not inclined to go out of my way to be hushed and respectful to people who don't honor their commitments.
You made no judgements? Lets not be disingenuous.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:41 PM ^
Now, I haven't brushed up on my internet tones recently, but your post dripped with judgment of Threet and his decision to leave. I know that everyone is getting into a tizzy about nothing, since I doubt Threet's departure will be nothing more than a footnote to this season, but stop acting like this thread was some objective assessment of this team and Threet's decision to leave. You are pissed that this kid left because it offends some unspoken "honor" that going to UM entails, and so you disparage what he gave to this program by calling him a "prima donna."
February 16th, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^
Something changed, because he came to Michigan to play behind Ryan Mallet. Only fortune even thrust him into a starting role this early in his career. I kind of doubt he thought he really could unseat him. (He couldn't unseat Nick Sheridan to start the season.)
I'm not saying he was a prima donna, just that he wasn't coming to Michigan (realistically anyway) to be more than potentially a 5th year senior starter.
If you can't start the season ahead of Nick Sheridan in any system, you should rethink your NFL dreams. It is odd to have switched twice in 2 seasons. Still, hope it works out for him.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:45 PM ^
Bravo. Exactly right.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:49 PM ^
So, in your logical mind, explain this:
-Threet is willing to transfer into the same class as #1 QB recruit in the nation, Ryan Mallett. Presumably, he was willing to compete for the job, and sit if he lost.
-Threet is unwilling compete with #14 QB recruit, Tate Forcier, when he is the incumbent starter, with an additional year of experience.
Please, reconcile those.
You've gone blue in the face talking about how Threet didn't belong in this offense. Has it occurred to you that maybe, just possibly, he realizes this, and has decided to play somewhere he can succeed? Is is possible that he's not the "prima donna" you're painting him as by fabricating your own motivations for him?
February 16th, 2009 at 4:55 PM ^
See above.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:38 PM ^
Threet obviously felt he had a better chance against Mallet, and while the relative merit of such an assumption is open for debate, that was the decision he made. Yet, when he stood a chance to compete for this position in that system, it was all replaced with another system that he clearly wasn't prepared for, wasn't really a good fit for, and so he gave it a chance and, ultimately, made the choice that was best for him.
As for the whole #1 recruit competition, remember that Brady competed quite successfully with #1 recruit Drew Henson, and see how that turned out. Stars and rankings mean only so much, and if Mallet had stuck around, who's to say that he would have progressed into a great QB. At least under Carr, Threet must have felt he had a chance. With the freshmen and RR's preferences for that type of QB, he must have known he wasn't going to have a chance to be a QB at UM.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:18 PM ^
"This is prima donna crap." "Threet...prima donna attitude at a prima donna position."
Nice. Real nice.
How about your dust the cheetos off your chest, put on some pants, go out there and show everyone how it's done. Can your arrogant, entitled ass hack it? Get in there. Prove people wrong.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^
Sure! Can I start? I don't want to compete with anyone, now. Just start. Thanks, CPS. Even though I am 46, I always wanted to play QB at Michigan.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:32 PM ^
46 years old and ripping on a 20 year old based on nothing more than conjecture. You just keep getting better and better.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:42 PM ^
You're not swift, are you? I guess I won't have you as competition at QB.
As mentioned to the always right chitown, my opening post said nothing about his motives. bronxblue argued he was leaving because he no longer fit. I said that argument was prima dona.
Are we good, now?
February 16th, 2009 at 3:45 PM ^
Read your own words:
I think it's horseshit. If it's a sign of respect for Threet, then whatever. I am not inclined to go out of my way to be hushed and respectful to people who don't honor their commitments. I won't slam the kid, but I am not going to mute my opinion of his worth as he heads out.
Are you disingenuous enough to claim that this isn't passing judgement?
This isn't a matter where I'm neccesarily "right", as I'm not arguing about his skill. What I'm not doing is saying a kid is a prima donna BECAUSE I ASCRIBED MOTIVATIONS TO HIM OF MY OWN CREATION.
February 16th, 2009 at 4:51 PM ^
You ARE obtuse. I will try one more time and then you can amuse yourself.
The claim of "horseshit" was in response that his football value to this team was significant.
The declaration that I would not "going to mute my opinion of his worth" was related to judging his football value to the team.
At this point time, genius, no judgment was made as to his REASONS for leaving or that he was a prima dona.
The one judgment was that he did not honor his commitment to the team, which I stand by. You idea of FLEE THE BOAT everytime some obstacle to MY playing time presents itself is not something I see a lot of in sports or desire more of.
The motivations were presented as likely by the bronx guy. Consider this the first declaration of REASON FOR LEAVING. Call this "A." Now, given A (this is how we hold conversations in the mind-boggling idiot world), then B, or then that is prima dona thinking.
Your last shot, genius.
February 16th, 2009 at 5:03 PM ^
To me, FLEEING THE BOAT at an obstacle would be akin to me quitting my job if we hired another guy to work in sales in the same department, and that would be kinda lame.
And to me, Threet's actual situation would be more akin to me quitting my job because we hired another guy to do sales, but also changed our product line from metal-industrial stuff to accounting software or something else completely unrelated that I had no interest in or knowledge of, and the new guy came from that field. Maybe I'd give it a shot, but long term if I really liked the old stuff it'd probably be a better situation for me to move on, don't you think?
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