MBB: Where are they now?

Submitted by AC1997 on

Periodically on this site and others like it someone will post with an update about how former Michigan players are doing in the NFL – such as the weekly feature over at Maize n Brew (LINK).  For the most part, that NFL coverage has centered around the two GOAT guys from the 1990’s and a bunch of other players who are having modest seasons at this point…..plus Thomas Rawls (still shaking my head on that one). 

 

Now that the football season is complete for our Wolverines, I wanted to take a look at the former Michigan players who are playing professional basketball instead.  I’ve seen a post or two about this on MGoBlog in the past, but I wanted to take it a step further.  I wanted to highlight not just the guys playing in the NBA, but elsewhere as well. 

 

Below is a breakdown of all the former Michigan players (even those who transferred) that are still making their living by playing basketball.  For more details, hit this LINK.  Where I had something interesting to say I put a few bullet points.  I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts and memories in the comments.  (Stats shown for each player are PPG/RPG/APG.)

 

NBA – "The Beilein bunch plus one"

  • Trey Burke (PG, 2011-2012) – Still playing as the backup PG for the Jazz, which seems to be a role he will continue throughout what should be a solid if unspectacular career.  The predictions about his size and athleticism seem to have been accurate, which means he needs to excel in other areas.  Unfortunately his outside shot wasn’t very good his first two years and that limited his effectiveness.  Things are looking up this year in his bench role as he’s shooting better than ever before at 42% from downtown so far through 18 games.  [10.8/2.2/2.6]
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. (SG, 2010-2012) – The trade to Atlanta did not go well for him it seems.  After being a significant contributor on some bad Knicks teams he’s buried on the bench in Atlanta, playing in just a handful of games this season.  [2.5/1.3/0.5]
  • Nik Stauskas (SG, 2012-2013) – Has the fate of playing on a horrific Sixers team, but is showing more upside this year than his limited time with the Kings.  [8.4/2.4/1.9]
  • Glenn Robinson III (SF, 2012-2013) – Has made a solid living with some guaranteed contracts despite very limited minutes played thus far in his career.  He is with the Pacers now and seems to be earning about ten minutes per game as a back-up, which is a huge improvement for him.   [5.0/1.5/0.3]
  • Mitch McGary (C, 2012-2013) – Had hoped to parlay a strong summer season into more of a role this year, but continues to struggle with injuries and is buried in a deep front court.  [1.5/1.5/0.3]
  • Jamal Crawford (SG, 1999) – Often forgotten due to his short stint with Michigan, but has been the most successful NBA player to wear the Maize & Blue in decades outside of the Fab Five and the ’89 Champs.  As his career is winding down he is still contributing as a sixth man for the Clippers.  [13.3/1.9/2.3]

 

NBDL – "Waiting for their chance"

  • Manny Harris (SG, 2007-2009) – Manny had a brief attempt at a European career but otherwise continues to give it a shot in the D-League with hopes of getting another chance to show he can be a Jamal Crawford type of spark off the bench.  He can definitely fill a stat sheet. [23.4/6.8/4.1]

 

Foreign Leagues – "He’s still playing??"

  • Graham Brown (C, 2002-2005) – Ricky Doyle’s doppelganger continues to play a meaningful role as an undersized center overseas.  He’s currently playing in France and has put together a solid career.  [4.5/3.5/0.6]
  • Stu Douglas (SG, 2008-2011) – He has found his way to Israel and seems to be a regular contributor.  [6.9/1.0/1.2]
  • Jordan Morgan (PF, 2010-2013) – Morgan had enough valuable skills that he was going to make some money playing professionally if he was willing to travel.  He’s having a solid season for a team in France’s B division.  [8.0/6.1/1.1]
  • Brent Petway (SF, 2003-2006) – Air Georgia never really translated his raw talent into success on the floor at Michigan, but he was always exciting.  He seems to have grown as a player over the last decade as he’s currently playing in the Italian A-league…..and probably winning a dunk contest somewhere.  [4.6/3.8/0.7]
  • Courtney Sims (C, 2003-2006) – The frustrating but talented big man has taken his talents to Asia in the last few years and played well.  He’s currently in Korea’s KBL.  [15.3/10.0/0.6]
  • Jevohn Shepherd (SF, 2005-2008) – He is without a doubt the most unlikely former player I found to have carved out a long pro career.  He barely contributed while on some bad Michigan teams and yet here he is, all this time later, still playing professionally.  He’s also in the A-league for Italy.  This is a guy who averaged 2.5ppg in his four year Michigan career and attempted just 16 three point shots in that time.  [5.0/2.7/1.1]
  • Jordan Dumars (SF, 2009-2010) – The forgotten man when it comes to Michigan’s NBA offspring outreach program.  Dumars was a walk-on briefly at UM before moving on elsewhere.  He’s fmade a brief appearance in one professional game in Germany so far this season.  [2.0/0.0/0.0]

 

Transfers – "We played there too!"

  • Evan Smotrycz (PF, 2010-2011) – He spent two years at Michigan before leaving for Maryland.  Things went south for him when he was forced to play out of position at center due to injuries.  Things never worked out despite the fact that he seemed to be an ideal fit as a stretch4 for Beilein’s offense.  He has played just one game overseas so far.  [10/10/2]
  • Ekpe Udoh (C, 2006-2007) – He lasted just one year after Beilein was hired before transferring to Baylor.  I always wondered what the team would have been like had he stayed and provided a defensive presence in the middle.  His stock took off while at Baylor, resulting in a solid draft pick.  After a couple years in the league, he’s now in Turkey.  [10.7/3.8/1.5]

 

Unknown - "Missing in Action?"

  • Darius Morris (2009-2010) – He has played four years in the NBA but was cut during training camp this season and has yet to land somewhere that I could find.   Other than his recent Twitter incident with Byron Scott there wasn’t much out there to be found.  I suspect he’s waiting for a call from an NBA team for a 10-day contract to see if he can stick as a back-up PG.
  • Deshawn Sims (2006-2009) – There was no information for him in the link at the top of this page, which implied that he wasn’t currently playing professionally.   According to Wikipedia, however, he’s been playing in Lebanon on various teams for the past couple of years after a brief stint in the NBDL. 

 

Is there anyone else you think I missed in my search?  Let me know in the comments.  If you would like to check out these players stats from their time at Michigan, use this LINK

Finally, I would love for someone to do this for Hockey as well.  That was beyond the scope of what I wanted to tackle here.  

 

PS - Quick aside, I believe there are currently four former Michigan players in the MLB:  Rich Hill (P), Ryan LaMarre (OF), Zach Putnam (P), and Clayton Richard (P).  

Comments

AC1997

December 9th, 2015 at 9:43 AM ^

Awesome!  I took a 2 minute look at hockey and decided that it was a totally separate effort.  I thought this basketball one would be relatively quick but it took a lot more time than that.  

As I watched the current team get trounced last night thanks to awful defense and horrible play in the front-court I looked at this list again.  While I think our D and big men are a huge part of our problem this season.......Michigan won a ton of games with a 6'8" Jordan Morgan at center and Novak/GR3 playing out of position at the 4.  They also haven't had any good defensive players in the Beilein era except Morgan and maybe Stu.  So how is this team seemingly so overmatched?  

TrueBlue2003

December 11th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^

"They also haven't had any good defensive players in the Beilein era except Morgan and maybe Stu."

You're exactly right, which means the last decent defensive player left two years ago. I would add McGary to your list as well.  He was good on the boards and at least could bang with the big boys.  Novak was also a much better defensive player than he should have been, given his height deficiencies.  He was always in the right spots, took charges, made life hard on teams.  

With Novak, Stu and Morgan on the 2011-2012 team giving us a decent defense, that's how we won some games that year and squeaked out the conf title (along with a patented better-than-it-should-have-been Beilein offense).  But that was a pretty fortunate year, as we had five losses, won a bunch of close games and got out of some tough matchups due to schedule imbalance.  We were the fourth best team in the conference by a wide margin (according to KenPom) and it showed in our tournament results.

13-14 we won a bunch of games by being elite at offense (best in the KenPom era before last year's Wisc team) which overcame Beilein's usually bad defense and rebounding.

We don't have a historiclly good offense (tough to rely on that regulary) so that's why our typically terrible defense and rebounding have us overmatched.

kevin holt

December 9th, 2015 at 12:05 PM ^

I read that Mitch was assigned to OKC's D-League team, the OKC Blue. Not sure if it's meant to be very temporary (like rehabbing a pitcher in the minors? I don't follow the NBA) or if this is a bad sign. But either way, Go (OKC) Blue!

harryddunn

December 9th, 2015 at 1:11 PM ^

i'd be interested in seeing something like this for recruiting misses in the last couple cycles

i don't see as much insider info with Hoops recruiting, so that might be an instructive exercise- i know Blueitt & Bates-Diop were unexpected rejections we suffered

GOBLUE4EVR

December 9th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^

Jevohn Shepherd... i rememeber when he was basically the top player coming out of Canada in his senior year, and then once he got to Michigan nothing, nothing at all... the crazy part is there were a few guys in his senior class in Ontario that were in the top 10 in all of Canada that did nothing in college... one of them went to my old high school in Windsor and tore up Windsor HS ball for 4 years, goes to Central Michigan and couldn't hack it and then transfered to the Univeristy of Windsor and did rather well...

madmaxweb

December 9th, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^

I have no idea what the NBDL actually stands for but everytime I saw that in your post I immedietly thought it was the No Bad Day League and I laughed everytime. Just goes to show how bad finals week can be when I laugh at something like that more than I should. 

Lanknows

December 10th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

I suspect you are ignoring people on rehab-related assignments, but more to your point -- Obviously it's going to be fringe players who go to the NBDL in the first place. 

It's kind of like arguing college is a 'death league' for anyone past their sophomore year.  The vast majority of players who don't declare for the NBA after year 1 are not going to play in the NBA let alone be all-stars, world champions, or however else you want to define "doing anything".AAA isn't a 'death league' for baseball and MLS isn't a 'death league' for soccer. It's just the nature of a minor league.  The best guys are going to skip it - but that doesn't make it a death sentence.

Lanknows

December 9th, 2015 at 2:37 PM ^

Smotrycz was never an ideal Beilein 4. Not athletic enough defensively and not really a good enough passer to work around the wings.  He was more effective as a 5 at times, where his offensive skill could flourish in mismatches.

I suspect he transferred because he wasn't a great fit as either a 4 or 5 in Beilein's system.

I blame this mostly on Beilein because it seems to be a recurring issue.

The best Beilein 4 was Robinson and we rarely land players like him (multi-demensional/strong/long/athlete).  Instead it seems to be a lot of skinny 6'8 guys with midrange jumpers and not much else.  Then when those guys don't pan out we move a guard/wing over and hope it works. 

LBSS

December 9th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^

Pretty happy for Trey that he's finding a groove off the bench. His PER is basically league-average now and his VORP is 0.1, per basketball reference. If he can keep it up he can play in the NBA for a long time. 

UMgradMSUdad

December 9th, 2015 at 8:22 PM ^

Jon Horford seems to be currently out of basketball, at least according to Wikipedia:

After graduating from Florida, Horford joined Indios de San Francisco de Macorís of the Liga Nacional de Baloncesto in May 2015. He appeared in seven games for the club, averaging 2.7 points and 4.6 rebounds per game. He left the team in June after clashing heads with team management,[38] and returned to the United States where he joined theAtlanta Hawks for the 2015 NBA Summer League. However, he managed just one appearance for the Hawks as nothing clicked for him with the team in Las Vegas.[39]

On September 18, 2015, Horford signed with the Milwaukee Bucks,[40] however, he was waived on October 7.[41]

UofMfanJJ (not verified)

December 10th, 2015 at 5:12 AM ^

DeShawn Sims is on a team I just can't remember which or where. If you truly want me to confirm, I'm friends with him on Facebook and talk to him and Brent all the time. I'll always remember Trey Burke's buzzer beater for the Jazz last year from the corner 3. also Mitch has a triple double or two under his belt. Kinda odd Burke and Hardaway swapped spots with Stauskas and Robinson in terms of future potential looking forward eh?

Moonlight Graham

December 10th, 2015 at 8:51 AM ^

their counterparts at MSU as a "where are they now." The equivalent group of guys in the NBA and NBADL would be headed by Draymond Green, who with his ring and possible All-Star status this season does not have a peer (McGary, if healthy, could get there). Then you have Payne (T-Wolves), G. Harris (Nuggets), Dawson (just saw his name pop up on the D-League Grand Rapids Drive roster), Appling (D-League/Summer League), Nix (Poland) and Trice (D-League). 

A pretty similar looking bunch with similar success from 2011-2014. Both had conference titles, elite 8's and Final Fours, with Michigan's 2013 squad going the farthest and Trey getting the National POY award. With the exception of Green being an outlier and benefitting somewhat from being on a juggernaut team, neither group is lighting the pro leagues on fire but Michigan's group seems to be more successful -- higher draft picks and more guys in the NBA in general (5 vs. 3, from that "era"). 

The "next up" comparison to add to the list coming out of this season will be Levert and Valentine. 

Conclusions? Nothing definitive, but...

1. Beilein had it going good for that stretch, obviously, and was poised to pass MSU by in recruiting, tourney success, conference titles, and head to head wins. 

2. Recent recruiting class divergence (MSU up, UM down) is, when looking at conclusion 1, troubling.

Just as our football team has always and will forever be measured against Ohio State, basketball is with MSU. It was a great run against them starting with "Get the f___ off my court" and the aneurysm of leadership ... here's hoping things start trending back that way sooner than later. 

 

Lanknows

December 10th, 2015 at 12:35 PM ^

Even if you ignore Green - a MAX contract player on the best team in the league - which you can't, MSU still has an argument.

  • Payne's getting 10 mpg to McGary's 5 mpg.  Both teams have deep frontlines.  Since OKC is better we can call this a draw.
  • Harris is a significant member of Denver's rotation, just like Trey. Again, Harris plays 27 mpg to Trey's 23 mpg, but Utah's a better team so lets call this a draw.
  • Stauskas and Robinson and Hardaway are in the league, but if you're being real they could be waived and no one would really blink.  Stauskas plays alot but the Sixers roster is half NBDL-level guys and Nik is just flat-out not a good player right now.  Robinson's arguably the best bet to be in the leage 3 years from now but he, like Hardaway is at the end of the bench and doesn't play most nights.

Green's success is more meaningful than anything any Michigan guy has done at the NBA level and you can bet that's a huge factor in recruiting.  Especially with Green being so publically generous and appreciative of Izzo and MSU.

The '14 and '15 classes, when Beilein should have been capatilizing on recent success but did not, are flat out failures.  People tried to argue about this last year because MAAR and Doyle were OK "for freshman" and Dawkins looked like another Hardaway, but back-to-back bad recruiting classes (big numbers low rankings) are a failure.  A reedemable failure, because the '16 class looks pretty good, but a failure.  It's not about the starz either - it's about Beilein not landing the guys he targeted first like he did when he landed Hardaway, Robinson, Irvin, etc.

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AC1997

December 10th, 2015 at 5:42 PM ^

I didn't always like Green when he was at MSU, but he's the type of player you respect.  When he started at MSU he was a very flawed bench player.  Then he stayed for four years, improved every year, and then became a max player in the NBA - extremely rare for a 4-year college player.  He's also fun to watch because of his versatility.

 

Sadly, there's an alternate universe where Kam Chatman was supposed to be our version of Green.  

From that regard I totally agree with you about recruiting.  It did hurt our recruiting classes that so many of those guys left early for the NBA when they weren't really expected to.  BBall recruiting starts so early that you're not going to sign 4-stars at the last minute.  The problem is just the significant number of recruits who are projects.  That's okay when you're Wisconsin and those guys don't have to be regular contributors until theyr'e juniors.  When you're playing Doyle, MAAR, Dawkins, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner in your rotation - that's tough.  You're not going to hit on all of them.  

That being said, the "plan" was for this to be our rotation this season:

  1. Walton
  2. Caris
  3. Irvin
  4. Chatman (20-30mpg as high 4-star recruit)
  5. Donnal (third year player who was a decent recruit)
  6. Spike
  7. Doyle (coming off red-shirt, back-up big)
  8. Dawkins/Robinson/Hatch/MAAR 

That last spot is an open spot for any variety of wing players.  But since Beilein likes a short bench and those 1-2-3-6 spots are upper classmen you'd expect the back-up wings to play 10-20 minutes tops.  

Instead, the 1, 4, 5 spots are a mess with injuries and development issues.  And thus we're throwing all manner of wings out there.

TrueBlue2003

December 11th, 2015 at 8:37 PM ^

other than maybe GRIII was an early departure that wasn't expected?  Yes, Trey wasn't expected when recruited, but the coaches knew after 2012 he was going to be gone after one more year, and they brought in his heir apparent (Walton) with a capable backup (Spike).  The PG position was not at all hindered by early departures (only injury).  McGary could not have been expected to stay more than two seasons - even the  second was a pleasant surprise.  So GRIII is left as the only early departure that may not have been planned for.  And as you said, Chatman was supposed to be the guy.  That was obviously a major whiff.

That whiff and the complete failure to bring in a 5 to replace McGary and Morgan, both of whom left when expected, is why this team is struggling. That was a Doyle and Donnal whiff. For all the "diamonds in the rough" guards we've found, we've probably been equally unsuccessful with bigs. Teske looks to be the next hope (and Wagner is a wild card).  Unfortunately, we're going to end up wasting the good years of Caris and Irvin waiting for him.

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DrewGOBLUE

December 11th, 2015 at 8:06 AM ^

When looking at John Beilein & Tom Izzo in terms of their former players making it to the NBA and having success, Beilein deserves more praise in regards to developing guys well enough to become early entrant, 1st round picks. In fact, Gary Haris was Izzo's only player in a long, long time to not stay at MSU for 4 years.

Obviously, Draymond Green is far and away the most productive pro from either school, so Izzo gets some credit there. However, it wasn't until after 4 years in college and a couple relatively lackluster seasons in the NBA until he burst onto the scene. I don't doubt that a factor in Green's success is from having built a solid foundation at MSU, but looking at the timeline over which he developed makes you suspect that the NBA coaching personnel might deserve more credit than Izzo for Draymond having been able to become the player he currently is.