Dilithium Bloom

Submitted by MCalibur on

I am not a man. I began as one, but now I am becoming more than a man, as you will witness.

– Francis Dolarhyde, Red Dragon

reddragon1After the Iowa game last year, my nervous system instantaneously rushed to the precipice of meltdown every time Denard Robinson stepped onto the field. Mixing equal parts of anxiety and exhilaration yields a volatile cocktail. There were times when I couldn’t stand up because I was so nervous; only once or twice but, regardless of frequency, that ain’t right. Trembling calves, bated breath, dilated pupils, thumping heart. Then, a money Chewbacca impression; happy or sad, the reaction was the same. I can’t have been the only one.

There was good reason for such a strong pavlovian response. It seemed as though the outcome of  a play with Robinson under center was the random result of the flip of a coin—tails: utter disaster, heads: spectacular success, on edge: just another play. Denard threw interceptions at a nauseating 13% rate on 31 passes. However, he also scored touchdowns 7% of the time on 100 total touches. Forcier only produced TDs a little over 3% of the time. Think about that for a second, Forcier had 399 touches last year and scored 13 TDs…Denard, theoretically, could’ve had 28. Those numbers are ridiculous to quote because Denard touched the ball so infrequently last year, but it isn’t fair to quote his turnovers without also quoting his TDs.

Anyway, eight months later we are faced with another batch of the cocktail, this time with a twist. A full offseason and a spring practice session have apparently yielded a thrilling prospect, Denard can throw. Maybe we can actually stomach the elixir and keep it down. That prospect sparks at least two questions. The first, how much could he have realistically improved? I mean, there’s improvement, and then there’s being good; the latter is not guaranteed. The second question is, who do you play, Tate or Denard? In this diary I hope to rigorously estimate an answer to the first question and hopelessly flail at the second.

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Method to the Madness

My previous work with quarterback stats has provided some averages for first year starters that account for a lot of influences on their level of play . Most averages, though, have a funny trait—they don’t actually exist. For example, in a country with an average of 2.3 kids per household, you will never find an actual household with 2.3 kids in it. This is the type of fallacy that arises from the reckless application of statistics and leads many reasonable people to view the valuable information reported by statistics with a jaundiced eye. It is absolutely critical to understand what a statistic tells you and what it doesn’t. There’s a saying that says “guns don’t kill people, LaMarr Woodley kills people kill people.” Similarly, statistics don’t lie, people do.

If you want to know about a specific case, you need to study that case and only that case. Thing is, we can’t study Denard directly because, you know, we can’t see the future…balls! Thankfully, we have the transitive property, if you believe in such things. If A = B and B = C, then A = C. Flashing back to football, if we want to know about how a guy like Denard develops as a passer from a dismal first year to the very next year, you need to study the second seasons of players that had dismal first years as passers. Find as many as you can and you have something you can work with.

TransitiveReduction I cast my net selecting for the following criterion:

  • Include only players from BCS teams in order to provide some reasonable controls for supporting cast and opposing competition.
  • First season as starter was first, second or third year after high school with a passer rating under 100 on at least 50 pass attempts.
  • The player ‘stuck’ in the next season, meaning they showed enough improvement or benefit to not be replaced.

That last one is crucial. Presumably, Robinson cannot overtake/match Forcier in passing ability this year (perhaps never) so, in order to stick, Denard must be a significantly better passer than he was in 2009 thus allowing the rushing advantage he brings to the running game into play as a reasonable offset for the gap between his passing ability and Forcier’s. Otherwise, he won’t siphon off many snaps away from Tate. So, after picking rotten fruit, I rejected the ones that didn’t represent the case we’re interested: a meaningfully improved passer. In the transitive reduction picture shown above (right side), this is looking at the a-b-d-e chain and ignoring the a-c-d-e chain.

Meet The Proxies

Name Team Year Stars QBRat PaAtt PaPct PaY/A TD % INT %
Denard Robinson Michigan 2009 4 91.6 31 45.2% 6.1 6.5% 12.9%
Brady Quinn Notre Dame 2003 4 93.5 332 47.3% 5.5 2.7% 4.5%
Trent Edwards Stanford 2003 5 79.5 170 45.3% 4.4 2.4% 5.3%
Isaiah Stanback Washington 2004 4 87.6 68 33.8% 5.7 4.4% 4.4%
Matt Ryan Boston Coll. 2004 3 91.5 71 49.3% 4.9 2.8% 4.2%
Curtis Painter Purdue 2005 3 98.3 170 52.4% 5.5 1.8% 2.9%
Mike Teel Rutgers 2005 2 94 101 50.5% 6.8 2.0% 9.9%
Stephen McGee Texas A&M 2005 4 98.8 53 45.3% 5.3 3.8% 1.9%
Juice Williams Illinois 2006 4 91.9 261 39.5% 5.7 3.4% 3.4%
Lyle Moevao Oregon St. 2007 0 98.8 147 52.4% 6.0 1.4% 4.1%
Cody Endres Connecticut 2008 2 80.4 84 46.4% 4.9 0.0% 3.6%
Josh Nesbitt Georgia Tech. 2008 4 96.3 123 43.9% 6.6 1.6% 4.1%

Denard put up one of the lower passer ratings in the cohort primarily because of his extremely high interception rate. However, he also had the highest TD rate in the group and his YPA was third highest in the group. The high ratings in the playmaker categories suggest that D-Rob can improve his rating drastically by improving his accuracy and coverage recognition.

The following table shows how the proxies improved in the very next season.

Name Team Year Stars QBRat PaAtt PaPct PaY/A TD % INT %
Brady Quinn Notre Dame 2004 4 125.9 353 54.1% 7.3 4.8% 2.8%
Trent Edwards Stanford 2004 5 110.3 274 54.4% 6.3 3.3% 4.0%
Isaiah Stanback Washington 2005 4 128.8 264 54.2% 8.1 3.4% 2.3%
Matt Ryan Boston Coll. 2005 3 135.7 195 62.1% 7.8 4.1% 2.6%
Curtis Painter Purdue 2006 3 129.1 530 59.4% 7.5 4.2% 3.6%
Mike Teel Rutgers 2006 2 120.6 296 55.4% 7.2 4.1% 4.4%
Stephen McGee Texas A&M 2006 4 134.9 313 62.0% 7.3 3.8% 0.6%
Juice Williams Illinois 2007 4 119.2 267 57.3% 6.5 4.9% 4.5%
Lyle Moevao Oregon St. 2008 0 128.4 361 59.3% 7.0 5.3% 3.6%
Cody Endres Connecticut 2009 2 145.2 154 63.6% 8.8 3.9% 2.6%
Josh Nesbitt Georgia Tech. 2009 4 148.7 162 46.3% 10.5 6.2% 3.1%
 Name QBRat PaPct PaY/A TD % INT %
Average 129.7 57.1% 7.4 4.4% 3.1%
Avg. Delta 37.8 11.1% 2.1 2.0% -1.3%
2nd. Yr Prism 126.0 57.6% 7.1 4.7% 3.4%

reddragon2 Un-wholly crap. The average player in this cohort went from being off-the-charts bad to exactly average; not only did the group get out of the hole, they caught up to the pack. In the prism categories, about half of the players met or exceeded the 2nd Yr threshold for completion percentage, yard per attempt, and interception rate; the touchdown rate threshold was met or exceeded less often. IF HE STICKS, there is a good chance that Denard improves to a point where he’s as good this year as Tate Forcier was last year; if he sticks. That plus Dilithium. Anyone else have goose bumps?

The Sticking Point

That is all very encouraging, but it hinges on the huge assumption that Denard will improve enough to displace Tate as starting QB; that’s not a gimme. In actuality, there are 25 players that meet all of the criteria except for the last (improved enough). Of those, 9 did not play in the following year (benched or transferred), and 5 were “Forcier blocked”. So really, there’s a 14 in 25 chance that Denard won’t improve enough to be the regular starter. HOWEVA, we already know that Denard has, in fact improved enough to be a challenger albeit in practice settings. So, focusing on only those players who stuck makes sense until we have more information (i.e. actual game observations).

I can’t imagine why things would be different for Denard than for the group selected above. Michigan has a veteran and finally deep offensive line, playmakers with experience in the receiving corps, a diverse stable of versatile and talented running backs, and an offensive scheme that has been proven to be effective and is now familiar to everyone on the two-deep.

Will it be different this time? Maybe. But, given what we’ve heard from spring practice and witnessed in the spring game, what reason is there to think that it will be?

Michigan freshman quarterbacks Tate Forcier, left, and Denard Robinson clown around while posing for photographs during Sunday, August 23rd's Michigan Football Media Day outside the Al Glick Fieldhouse.
Lon Horwedel | Ann Arbor.com So, who starts?

Here I’ve written over 1800 words meticulously explaining why I think that Denard should not only be better, but he should be much, much better. After all that, I still don’t know.

See, Tate Forcier was as good as advertised and he wasn’t even at his best in 2009. His prism numbers were that of a 2nd year starter, just like we hoped they would be. But, when he went all six-million-dollar man on that diving touchdown in the fourth quarter against Indiana, the cape came off. Balls that smoothly soared 40 or 50 yards to hit a streaking receiver in stride in September, fluttered and sailed for easy interceptions in October and November. Yeah, the level of the competition had something to do with it, but so did his injury.

Now Tate stands to play like a 3rd year starter and with the offensive line and skill position talent Michigan has, Forcier could very well surpass the long term good passer rating of 139.2 and head for the 150’s or higher; quarterbacks do it every year. So the real question is, who would you rather have a mature Drew Stanton / Drew Tate or an immature but faster (!) Pat White? Either of those sounds great to me.

The best part about all of this is that this is not a typical quarterback competition. Tate and Denard have complimentary strengths and with a simple play call, they execute very different offenses. It is impossible to prepare to stop them both in 20 hours of practice time.  Coach Rodriguez and his staff have the luxury of choosing the player they think gives them the best chance to win at that moment and actually believe it.

You are privy to a great becoming, but you recognize nothing. To me, you are a slug in the sun. You are an ant in the afterbirth. It is your nature to do one thing correctly. Before me, you rightly tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe.

– Francis Dolarhyde, Red Dragon

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There’s a song that has stuck with me for a while now that seems appropriate to share after writing this. I like because it is soothing and assuring, and because even video games come back to Michigan Football with me. Maybe it’s the happy anger. Maybe its the fact that, when I hear this song, I hear an angel choir singing Pachelbel’s Cannon in D in my mind, both literally and figuratively. Maybe it’s just the hook, bringing me back. Whatever the reason, I like it, and maybe you will, too.

Let’s Go, Blue.

 

Comments

stubob

July 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^

It's Canon, not cannon.  Cannons go boom, canons do not.

Now that's out of the way, great analysis.  All the internet speculation about Tate or Denard comes down to the coach - which player matches his plan best, and which player will provide the most value on the field  I don't think RichRod will be going week-to-week saying "Gee, Denard practiced better this week, we'd better do a run-heavy spread this week."  There may be some of that involved in planning for the opposition, but ultimately it's the fit into the offense, and not necessarily the player.

For me, I'd rather have a field general over a one-man highlight reel.

AAL

July 23rd, 2010 at 5:33 PM ^

I think this is an excellent analysis.

There's something I'd like to add, too. I think in noting the expected execution ability of Tate (3rd year-ish) vs. Denard (hopefully 2nd year-ish) you unearthed an important idea.

Each QB has his own skill sets, obviously. Last year we saw some substituting in and out throughout the games for a variety of reasons, little of which had to with the new QB's ability to come in and dominate.

What we are all hoping for is the ability to use the two interchangeably in a way that will maximize their skills sets; a world where either can play at any time without loss of productivity. Each would execute plays best suited for them while still having the ability to run any facet of the offense. It would be amazing to be able to do that for reasons you mentioned--like the impossibility of preparing wholly for both.

The potential problem with the idea--for this year--is the inability of Denard to execute at a high enough level. Both will be improved. The question is: will Denard still only have the ability to execute a "smaller" playbook than Tate (even with 2nd year improvement). If so, can his speed neutralize that problem? No one knows for sure. I think his talents that can give Michigan specific advantages will be offset if he can't throw effectively down the field. I think if you see him throwing lots of bubble and jailbreak screens, slants, and hitches you'll have your answer.

In a lot of ways the entire game of football can be boiled down to the idea of dictating to your opponent what you will allow them to do and when. The question with Denard is can he help Michigan do that or not?

badjuju81

July 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 PM ^

msoccer10 has it nailed...

The big difference I saw in the spring game is how dangerous the running game is with Denard in there running the option read.  He didn't get to do that last year.  And it IS the bread and butter of this offense and what the coaches are looking for 1st and foremost.  I think the reason Denard started in the spring game is he has passed Tate in how well they run the option read, period.  So what we should look for in the spring game video is, not how well they passed, nor how many yards were gained running, but what % of the time did each QB make the correct option read, based on where the defenders were.  This takes the level of competition they faced out of the picture, as well.  MCalibur, any chance you could do that analysis?

We've seen this before.  In Bo's 1st 10 years it was which QB could run the tripple option best, not who could throw best, nor who was the overall best considering running and passing.  John Wangler, the exception, didn't start until there was no "option QB" with whom to compete.

Also, I agree with two-headed monster QB when they present a clear difference in the problem the defense must solve, but with both QBs proficient enough at run and pass such that the defense can't totally sell out against one or the other, depending on who's in there.  Many have pointed out this exception to the rule and cited the Leek/Tebow (and other) evidence that support it.

All this is true, but regarding the success we can expect (wins), none of it matters unless Lewan/Schilling/Molk/Omameh/Huyge doesn't far outperform the O-line we've seen the last 2 years.  They have to stay healthy to do that, too.  As the O-line goes, so goes the team.

bluesouth

July 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 PM ^

Diary enough to read it twice.  That's what happens when there is a slow day at work. Personally I really don't care who starts just be effective and don't lose any games err don't commit too many turnovers.  Secondly, If I may use Malette as an example look at how much he improved from year one to year two of playing time.  I know he sat out a year and did not play an actual game.  Rich rod and Carr both have stated that a players greatest improvement is from year one to year two. So I'm hoping that both of these guys get their sophmore bump and make the wolverines  winners again.   Go Blue!!!

doughboy

July 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 PM ^

Back in the day, 1987, I had a heartache when Bo started playing both Demetrius Brown and Michael Taylor.  At the time, it was somewhat controversial, but as they both competed for the starting job, it was apparent (so said the experts) that by  "starting" both Michigan would have a better chance of winning - as a spectator, although I didn't like it, I admit the coaches (Bo) was right.

Fast forward to 2010.  I think that Tate is further along in his learning curve, but has much less upside potential.  Whereas, Denard has a tremendous amount of upside and is finally understanding and playing within the "system" Coach Rodiguez has.  So, if I were King for a day, and I actually knew something about these athletes other than what is written on Blogs, I'd love to see Tate start the First Quarter v. UConn then bring Denard in to start the Second.  After that, I'd pull a Bo and alternate based on field position, down and yardage.

I love the fact that we potentially have options at the QB position this year.  Stay healthy boys and keep your head on straight.  Go Blue! 

maizenbluenc

July 24th, 2010 at 8:45 AM ^

Where was I for the '87 season, and why don't I remember this ....

Was I at sea, and thus not able to watch the games? Oh yeah, I was in Newport, RI for Surface Warfare Officer and Comm Officer school. I lived in a big 10 room house four blocks from the bars in Newport with 4 other freshly minted Ensigns. (With all the space, our house population varied widely with visitors and girlfreinds.)

We all had positive cash flow for the first time in our lives, and Newport drinking establishments, like Sullie's (now Jimmie's Saloon i think), Brick Alley Pub, White Horse Tavern, and some surfer bar on Long Warf I can't remember the name of, got a large share of it. Then we had a few epic parties as well.

Anyway, we had a Longhorn, two Wolverines, and guy from VMI, and one other in the house. I know the Michigan games were on when we could get them. I just can't recall the QB rotation ... don't know why.

Anyway, totally off to the side, but thanks for bringing back 1987, and the QB rotation precedent.

wildbackdunesman

July 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 PM ^

Those numbers are ridiculous to quote because Denard touched the ball so infrequently last year, but it isn’t fair to quote his turnovers without also quoting his TDs.

 

It probably is a moot point, as Denard has improved.  But if we are to mention Denard scoring on 7% of his touches over Tate's mere 3% is it not fair to look at who Denard's TDs came against?

 

All 2 of his passing TDs came against Delaware State.  4 of his 5 rushing TDs came against Delaware State or our 2 MAC opponents.  His only TD throwing or rushing not against a MAC team or 1AA team was the late drive against Iowa.

 

I think Denard will be much improved, but I don't think its fair to Tate to look pure percentages in this context.

victors2000

July 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 PM ^

Great read, thanks for posting, thanks for the work. Also, thanks fellow Mgobloggers on some good entries as well; it suffices to say that until we get to the UCONN game we won't know what we have in Tate and Denard, but it sounds like it might be pretty exciting.

evilempire

July 24th, 2010 at 10:48 AM ^

if for no other reason than that the defense is bad. If he can make the zone read work, while keeping defenses honest with an improved passing game, the defense will spend less time on the field (oh please god!), will have fewer short fields because michigan is running more which equals fewer turnovers, and the defense will  have better overall field positon vs. other offenses. This is what I believe RR is mulling over in his head....

wildbackdunesman

July 24th, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^

Denard threw interceptions at a nauseating 13% rate on 31 passes. However, he also scored touchdowns 7% of the time on 100 total touches. Forcier only produced TDs a little over 3% of the time. Think about that for a second, Forcier had 399 touches last year and scored 13 TDs…Denard, theoretically, could’ve had 28.

There is a mistake in your calculation.  You are counting Denard's running and passing TDs, but just Tate's throwing TDs.  You should credit Tate with 16 total TDs not 13 if you are crediting Denard with 7 total TDs.

 

If we remove WMU, EMU, and Delaware State from the stat books, this is what the stats looked like against B10/ND (decent) competition.

Denard, 68 touches for 1 TD = 1.47% TD rate

Tate, 347 touches for 13 TDs = 3.75% TD rate

To suggest that Denard would have or could have scored twice as many TDs as Tate last year is well...I think lacking in evidence.  With that said, in the Spring Game Denard looked like he has improved a lot from last year, but the caution is, it was against the 2nd string of the defense that finished 11th in the BigTen last year.

zlionsfan

July 24th, 2010 at 4:58 PM ^

in which Curtis Painter stands out as being relatively good is, therefore, not a particularly good group of quarterbacks. Pleasepleaseplease do not let Denard's ceiling as a passer be that low.

SamGoBlue2

July 25th, 2010 at 9:05 PM ^

You do realize that Painter was drafted as an actual QB in the NFL, correct? If Denard improves enough to be akin to Curtis Painter in college and enough to get drafted not as an "athlete" but as a QB, I think just about everyone on here would be stoked and amazed.

Amaizeing-E

July 24th, 2010 at 9:17 PM ^

all of those numbers and statistics mean absolutely nothing.... neither forcier nor robinson will be the diamond in the rough we have all been waiting for....Devin Gardner in his second year will be exactly what we need...and i won't even compare him to pat white either but to vince young...mark my words....also rich rodriguez is the coach to keep! getting rid of him is just not smart...if you follow his track record every where the man has gone he brings success ... last season was a down year for us but it brought promise!!  even with a disgraceful defense it brought promise!!

Cosmic Blue

July 26th, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^

I commend your effort, but with this diary, I think you are falling into the trap of having a conclusion you want to make, and then looking for data to support it.

when you limit your applicable denard proxies to only those who "showed enough improvement or benefit to not be replaced" i think you skew the results considerably. The fact is, we dont know if denard will be in that subgroup or not. You indicated later in the post about this saying that only 14 of 25 fit the bill. That's barely over 50%.

I think if you want to use only the improving players out of the 25, you need to give some compelling reasons why denard should be more comparable to them than the 11 others. As much as i hope he improved, that doesnt mean he has

TXmaizeNblue

October 1st, 2010 at 4:35 PM ^

I feel the very same way.  I really hope what we've seen is not a mirage, but a real representation of Denard's growth and development.   I have not witnessed many QB's that could not throw the ball consistently - then suddenly do so the next year...or any year for that matter.  I hope this is not just four games against not-so-good teams, that Denard just happened to play very very best...and tomorrow or next week he will implode.

TXmaizeNblue

October 1st, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^

For what its worth...and, I know, not much at all, but hey its close to quitting time at work and I'm bored so...I predict that Denard will throw 2 or 3 picks in this game, and the Wolverines will stil end up winning in dramatic fashion!  We might even see Forcier come in late and save the day.  Then, next week, we will all witness RR's face turn purple and his head explode as he fields the question "Which QB will be starting against MSU?" for the 78th time.  I hope I'm wrong...but it could happen.