Best and Worst: Wisconsin

Submitted by bronxblue on September 22nd, 2019 at 9:12 PM

Worst: Where To Go From Here

Listen, I'll write a bit about this game, but I'm getting to that age where being a masochist and re-watching terrible games should be left to the professionals. I lived 2019 Wisconsin-Michigan once; I'll happily go to my grave with that being it. Before the season I thought Michigan was a 10-win team; that's probably still on the table just because I don't want to contemplate a world where Michigan leads the conference in fumbles lost and instead have a couple of those games where the breaks go their way and they maybe, say, beat OSU or ND despite being demonstrably worse. The bottom could absolutely fall out, though; this schedule was already one of the hardest in the country when fans sorta assumed Michigan was a top-15 team; if they aren't this goes from "challenging" to, well...

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Games I sorta assumed would favor Michigan (Iowa, Maryland, MSU, even PSU) suddenly become toss-ups and ND and OSU are "I hope they work the body and don't just punch UM in the face". And yeah, if you've been on Twitter, this site, the general internet, or walking through any public or private establishment where more than 2 Michigan fans currently exist you've heard discussion about whether or not this is it for Harbaugh. Michigan is undeniably scuttling; depending on who you ask it started some time last year (either against ND or OSU) and has basically been circling the drain since then.

The optimist in me wants to believe it's just a temporary malaise, something you overcome with a combination of effort, luck, and the CPU opponent meter turned down a notch or two. I've said for some time that people's vision of Michigan doesn't quite match the reality since the second half of Schembechler's run. I might as well bookmark this page because it tells a story of a program that loses 3-4 games a season way more often than they win 10 or more. Bill Connelly's tweet about Michigan's S&P+ showing over the years tells a similar tale; Harbaugh's got Michigan back to where they were during "the good times". The problem is Michigan's peak used to equate to the class of college football; that's not the case anymore. Teams like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, OU, and OSU just occupy a tier above them, and while Michigan theoretically has the combination of tradition, resources, and willingness to bull-rush their way into that group, it just hasn't happened. And I'll be honest, I'm not sure it's going to any time soon and I don't know who leads them there if/when they do.

People love to complain that Harbaugh is this fallen golden boy and Michigan needs a change, but we've now seen 3 different types of coaches try to lead Michigan and none have really succeeded. Each had their moments but John Bacon has a bookshelf full of stories chronicling how they each fell short in some way or another. Harbaugh has been through multiple coordinators, tried to install various offensive systems to maximize the talent available, and recruited to a level that should be sufficient for it all to coalesce into cohesive units. It's unlikely he's suddenly gotten lazier or dumber in his later years, so it's not some unexpected self-sabotage. So I don't know what's wrong, and maybe it ultimately is something with the staff or the head coach, but I'm going to be the contrarian and say that change for it's own sake isn't going to work.

For better or for worse, Michigan has tried three different distinct offensive coordinators (and their systems) since Harbaugh arrived to make the offense "work"; we can quibble about his level of influence in each but it's undeniable this has been a point they've tried to address. And I'll be honest, it looked fine for most of last year. Yes, it lacked explosiveness downfield, but there were tweaks that could have been deployed to address that (shorter routes, using the RB in the passing game, etc.). If anything, Michigan's biggest issue last year was pace, and while Gattis has sped that up it's not like "run the play quicker without huddling" can only be accomplished with a new offensive system. Hell, it's mostly just reading from cards.

That's not to say I wanted Michigan to stick with Hamilton as their OC (I didn't), and I'm happy to see Michigan drag itself into the modern era offensively because (a) the ceiling is much higher if they ever get it to work, and (b) most HS programs and players run it, so going forward the players you have coming in will have a bit more familiarity with it (even though I think familiarity tends to be overrated a bit). But like I said after Army, you can't impersonate a new offensive system with a couple of wrinkles but fail to give yourself over fully to the transition, warts and all. I believe this offense will get better as the season progresses; we saw hints of it during the 4th quarter when they aired it out more and utilized their NFL-sized receivers. That's what made PSU's Deep State offense so dangerous, and if you can force defenses to respect it then everything else you want to do gets less predictable and, thus, easier.

This game went about as poorly as one can imagine, and it puts into question how the rest of the year will look. But Michigan football's history since Carr has been a combination of coaching upheaval and disappointment, and it's hard not to see how that becomes a vicious cycle. I didn't expect this year to be magical, and so if the end result is Michigan wins 8-9 games but can set itself up for the future, so be it. The whole "fire everybody" crowd will never be happy (and hilariously reactionary), and so I'd rather Michigan weather the bumps now than get back on the carousel.

Worst: The Offense

Listen, I'd love to have some detailed conversation about the various issues with the offense against Wisconsin but considering midway through the 3rd quarter Michigan had run 27 plays and Wisconsin 55, there isn't a ton to go on. The top-line numbers sorta tell the whole story: 0/10 on 3rd down, no rushing first downs and a third of their 15 due to penalty. 2 lost fumbles, 18 minutes TOP vs. 41 by Wisconsin, and 2.1 ypc on 19 rushing attempts. Until the very end of the 3rd quarter Michigan didn't have a drive that lasted more than 6 plays, and only 2 that lasted even 1 minute in game time. By comparison, Wisconsin's offense left the field 3 times in under a minute, but two of them because they scored TDs.

Shea Patterson appears to be broken; he was pulled toward the end of the first half and other than a nice throw to Ronnie Bell that turned into a big gain because of YAC he didn't play particularly well until late into the 4th quarter (and even then he seemed limited physically). The running game was virtually non-existent; some of that was because Michigan was down 14 after only 6 plays offensively and some was just an inability to string anything along. This was a game where Michigan desperately needed to "stay on schedule" and find some bread-and-butter plays to keep a drive going, and yet Michigan's most successful play in the first half was Pass Interference (they go 2 first downs off that and 2 more first downs the entire first half, and one of those was on Bell's catch).

Michigan's offense came to life a bit once Wisconsin's defense rolled out their "All-CTE"/"we're up 35" scheme, but for all relevant parts of the game it was disjointed, uncreative, and thoroughly stunted both by Wisconsin's defense as well as their own missteps. They fumbled AGAIN on their first drive of the game, which feels like it's gotta be a record but I'm not looking that up even in Incognito mode. There were no real attempts to stretch the field except on obvious passing downs, which led to both Patterson and McCaffrey just getting drilled numerous times. Every pass was short, or into coverage, or both, and at this point I don't know (or care) if it's due to poor playcalling, preparation, execution, angered gods, whatever.

When they started just airing it out it worked; it felt like Carr's last game against Florida where they realized they had WRs who were better than Florida's DBs and actually took advantage of it. And I guess if you want to find that one silver lining in this game it's that; if that was Gattis basically calling a bunch of bombs because nothing else was working, then that's an offense they can run going forward. It'll be higher-variance than UM is used to, but at this point it's at least positive sometimes, unlike basically everything else we saw for 3+ quarters in this game.

Best: Maybe a Silver Lining

I'm a bit loath to read too much into the offense's emergence downfield given the game situation (Wisconsin was down two members of their secondary and were up a bajillion points), but the "throw it downfield to your big, talented receivers and let them beat the smaller, less-talented corners" offense was encouraging. I disagree with the sentiment that an offense relying heavily on jump balls is tenable in the long term (Penn State's bombers a couple years ago were successful in large part because defenses cheated up to try to corral Barkley and McSorley), but for whatever reason this offensive line can no longer open up running lanes consistently and so that's one way to loosen up the back end of a defense is to take it's top off.

It won't matter against Rutgers; even with their slight improvements on both sides of the ball the Scarlet Knights have given up an average of 218 yards on the ground (please don't look slightly above them in that list), and my guess is that will continue against Michigan's janky run outfit. But my hope is that when Iowa comes to town Michigan continues to roll with stretching the field vertically. Collins, Black, Bell, and DPJ are all good enough athletes to make plays downfield, and even with the drops and poor throws it's still a part of the offensive system that should work.

Worst: Basic Physics

Much like the offense, the defense was overmatched from the opening kickoff and never seemed to get their feet under them. Taylor is a beast when you've got a bunch of NFL-level lineman and LBs; trying to stop Wisconsin with the smallest Glasgow on the line in short yardage is suicide. I know a lot of people took issue with Don Brown's defensive gameplan against OSU last year but it was reasonably sound until everyone realized Watson couldn't keep up with OSU's receivers and the defensive ends couldn't get any pressure. But this game, I don't know. I know he only has so many guys on his roster who are tackle-sized to plug inside, and there's logic to the idea that if you can't go through them, maybe you can go around them or between them. It definitely felt like a system designed to generate TFLs come hell or high water, and at times they would get a hand on Taylor only for him to break free. But Wisconsin did what Army was supposed to; they went on epic, time-consuming, soul-crushing drives (three 12+ scoring drives) and dominated time of possession to a degree that the defense was visibly deflated toward the end of the first half. And frankly, I didn't blame them; they had been on the field for 23 of the 30 minutes available and been smashed for 43 plays.

And the problems were compounded by the fact that when something good did happen to the offense, it was almost immediately undone. After giving up a first-drive TD, I'm sure the defense was excited to see the offense get into the redzone in one play. At the bare minimum I'm sure they expected 3 points in that situation, and if so that maybe changes the complexion of the game a bit. I still think Wisconsin wins because Taylor is simply that good, but a lot of Michigan's miscues amplified good plays into back-breaking ones. For example, Michigan successfully had Taylor bottled up on that first drive behind the line, but he simply bounced out and ran past a gaping hole the safety failed to maintain. Later on, Wisconsin would get multiple first downs when their receivers or backs would shake off arm tackles or flailing pushes near the sideline, and so a unit that had showed a lot of discipline with gap assignment against Army suddenly forgot fundamental aspects of defense against the Badgers.

This isn't a defensive unit dripping with talent like Brown's units of lore; there's talent but it's young, oddly-shaped, or under-performing a bit. Now, you can scheme around it, and one bit of hope is that Michigan won't quite run into a team like Wisconsin going forward; teams like PSU, Iowa, and MSU simply don't have the same backfield or line talent, and Brown should learn and tinker with his lineup. But at some point the fact that Ben Mason seemingly only saw the field as a FB and Jeter didn't record a tackle is beyond troubling, and no amount of grit and passion will cover up for the fact that one DT-sized person is currently allowed on the field.

Worst: Luck

Off the bat, Wisconsin came out and crunched Michigan on both sides of the ball; in no way should that be taken away from them. But Michigan's persistent run of "I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed" luck this year continued. As noted above, Michigan fumbled for the third time on their opening drive; for all the people complaining about the offensive philosophy and playcalling, there is no OC in the country who can scheme around what appears to be the monkey's paw curse surrounding Michigan's desire to "shake up" the offense. And while I find it weird that people keep claiming Mason is some unstoppable cudgel in the running game (despite evidence he's not), I don't have a problem with the idea of trying to smash a scrambling Wisconsin 7 yards out. Had Mason just held onto the ball, that sets up a 3rd-and-goal from 3/4 yard line, the down and distance that lets you use your whole playbook to exploit mismatches.

But instead, Michigan fumbled the ball away, they seem disjointed on the next drive, and the game was effectively over when Taylor busted through yet another uncovered gap for a 72-yard TD. I don't think the outcome of the game in a macro sense changes if Michigan scores on that first drive; Taylor ran for nearly 200 yards in the first half and at no point did Michigan look like they had a plan to stop him. But maybe it keeps the game a bit closer earlier on, doesn't deflate the defense and offense so quickly, and as someone who was once a college student I'm well aware that emotions and passion can do funny things.

Similarly, when Michigan seemingly caught a break it was for naught. I don't particularly care about the Coan first down on that first drive because Chryst seemed to have discovered 4th-down math, but Taylor seemingly fumbling and the refs belatedly pointing out that forward momentum had been stopped a second earlier and them not blowing their whistles was just part of some weird game was infuriating. Similarly, Black's TD in the endzone wasn't a catch and was properly called so on review; the more troubling aspect was the reason he couldn't catch it was because Wisconsin's corner was yanking his arm back. You'd think a review of a play would take into account all factors involved and rule accordingly, but instead the loophole where you can overturn a TD because the defense is breaking the rules with impunity led to my faint hopes of a UCLA-type comeback being dashed.

So I don't know what's going to happen going forward, but Michigan isn't going to win a ton more football games if they can't catch some breaks outside of a false start against Army.

Worst: The Worst People

So before this game, people ran with a bunch of rumors that Zach Charbonnet was somewhere between slightly dinged up/missing practice to multi-week recovery from surgery to possibly traded to the Dolphins for a player to be named later. As is tradition, a bunch of people on the internet who derive way too much of their self worth from being (a) shitty toward college athletes, (b) being "first" or "right", but usually not the same, and (c) getting people to watch a Youtube video in front of a green screen kept picking away at it, spreading disinformation and wild-ass speculation (about player safety, tensions on the team, etc.) for a couple of days. It got so bad that multiple individuals with real connections to the program had to publicly state that, yes, this unpaid college athlete is in fact not out for multiple weeks due to a mystery surgery, so feel free to gamble on the game, update your fantasy football roster, and delete that regrettable tweet you were about to post.

Listen, I'm getting pretty old; I'm nearly twice the age of everyone on the field Saturday and that gap is only going to get wider as the season progresses. And with that distance I've come to realize how fucking crazy it is that grown men and women think sharing rumors about the health status of, again, unpaid college students with potentially millions of people is acceptable. It's nobody's business whether or not a student athlete has undergone a medical procedure or is dealing with an injury; nothing in your life should materially change upon learning that information, and if it does for you, that's probably not a good situation to be in. I'm somewhat queasy already that schools willingly communicate the health status of various student athletes with the media, but at least the student-athlete is aware of this disclosure and has agreed to it (which is why it's not a HIPAA violation). But when the millionaires who get paid to talk about, again, student athletes complain about a coach not divulging the injury report so that their lives would be easier (because reading numbers and names on a jersey is a bridge too far), I just cringe because the assumption is that knowing someone is suffering with a pulled groin or a dislocated back should be part of the public discourse.

So yeah, I wish I had some over-arching discussion point here, some neat summation. But I don't. It sucks that a college freshman undoubtedly had to deal with multiple grown-ass people digging into his medical history to find out if the well-known injury he's had somehow got aggravated during the week, and if he's available to keep playing for the team they root for when it's winning football games. In no other venue but sports (and maybe politics) is this level of public disclosure about a person's medical history expected, and while at least professional athletes are theoretically getting compensated for that lack of privacy, the same can't be said for college. At this point, if you think they need to be forthcoming with that information, then pay the damn players so at least they can benefit a bit from the massive invasion of privacy.

Quick Hits

  • Michigan and Wisconsin have played 4 times since Jim Harbaugh became head coach. The average margin of victory for those 4 games is 17 points, but the cumulative difference in margin of victory is 3 (79 to 76), in favor of Wisconsin. Add in MSU (an average of 8 points but a cumulative margin of 15 for Michigan) and PSU (an average margin of 29 points, but a cumulative margin of 57 for Michigan), and you see a program that really has a problem with OSU but otherwise is equal or better than everyone else in the Big 10. Yes, I know that's the "How was the play otherwise Mrs. Lincoln?" of Michigan commentary, but I keep seeing pieces where the soul of Michigan football is lost forever because they struggle on the road against top-15 teams and I just bristle a bit at the hyperbole. Michigan football needs to get better and won't ever be considered an elite program until they can consistently pull off road wins, but considering where Harbaugh started from with those last couple of Hoke years, I think there is some purposeful obfuscation going on here.
  • I have no idea what's up with the offensive line, but it was weird to see them this oft-kilter all game. Patterson has a lot of issues bugging out of clean pockets, but it's been a couple of weeks now where they can't get a strong push on the running game and too many free runners sneak through on passing plays. I'm not looking forward to the MSU game for a number of reasons, but seeing Joe Milton saunter onto the field because Patterson and McCaffrey are picking shards of highlighter puke helmets from their innards isn't high on the list.
  • I have no idea what got into Wisconsin on that McCaffrey drive in the second half with two ejections for targeting. This isn't some morality argument or anything; it seemed to be localized to just that drive. Maybe it was the nature of his runs, just timing, I don't know, but those were two awful head shots that didn't need to be made. Again, I don't think it was some mandate down from Chryst or anyone to hurt McCaffrey (I leave the trollish injury-inducing cheap plays to their basketball team), but it was just rough to watch a guy get knocked out in what was basically a meaningless half of football.
  • This is the king of all non-sequiturs, but when people complain about the "cuteness" of the offense that led to Mason fumbling the ball or the 2-QB system, I do want to point out that those are seemingly wrinkles in the Gattis offense. He had a package with Hurts and Tua last year and it worked; obviously we're talking about a different caliber of athlete, but I get wanting to see if it works. Similarly, giving the ball to your battering ram of a FB on the read option is a way to utilize different personnel to stress a defense. The fact none of these worked particularly well is a point of learning, but it's also not like they were pulled out for shits and giggles.

Next Week: Rutgers?

I don't know. Sure. It's probably Rutgers. I assume Michigan will win by a lot, people won't care, and Iowa will loom as the next test to see if Michigan can salvage a decent season.

Comments

Hotel Putingrad

September 22nd, 2019 at 9:46 PM ^

I appreciate you not throwing in an obligatory "Eat at Arby's" or philosophical musings regarding home decor.

The point about the overall margins bears repeating. It seems like we've been alternating home blowouts with Wisconsin and PSU since Harbaugh has been here. (The games against MSU have been similarly pendulumed, though closer for rivalry reasons.) This is the variance of college football. You have 4-5 clear juggernauts, and then a next level of 15-20 programs that has a bit of churn at the bottom each year. Michigan is destined for that second tier because of recruiting. To the victors go the recruits.

So I'm not really shocked at the result, but whether Harbaugh stays much longer probably depends on how they respond the rest of the way. They could go 10-3 again, with a victory over USC in the Holiday Bowl, or they could stumble to 6-6, and Ross could lure Harbaugh to South Beach. At this precise moment, I'd say either scenario is equally likely.

bronxblue

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^

I just don't see Harbaugh leaving college for a mediocre pro job.  

I agree Michigan is in a bit of an inflection point where they could, I guess, jump into that next tier or settle into the upper middle class of football.  But I also think there's some churn at the bottom of that top tier; ND and OU recruit well but aren't juggernauts to the same degree Alabama, Georgia, or OSU tend to be.  So I don't think Michigan will ever be consistently in that top-top tier, but you could see seasons like 2016 where if a break or two goes their way they get into the top 4 and make the playoff game.

DoubleB

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:31 PM ^

Michigan long ago settled into that upper middle class of football. Since Bo's remarkable run in the early 70's, Michigan has lost at least 2 games in every season but 3 since 1974--1985, 1992, and 1997. As a comparison, Ohio State in that same timeframe: 11 times with less than 2 losses. Michigan has 1 national title since the late 40's. 

The hope and belief was that Harbaugh was a transcendent coach that could get Michigan into that CFP tier. The reality is that is just not the case. He's a very good coach that has gotten Michigan around its current ceiling and I, like you, believe he will probably breakthrough for a Big Ten title every once in awhile should he stay. FWIW, I think he finds a way to grind this team to 9 wins despite a down defense (by Don Brown standards) and a currently disfunctional offense. 

Hotroute06

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^

Why do you think he's a very good coach? What's his record against ranked teams again? And on the road? What about our rivals? 

Why have our last 3 losses with Harbaugh been blow outs? Why did we almost lose to army? Do very good coaches get blown out consecutively like Harbaugh has recently? 

What about his bowl record?  I seriously want to know why you think he's a "very good" coach.

DoubleB

September 23rd, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^

His record at San Diego. His record at Stanford. His record at San Francisco. And yes, even his record at Michigan. 

If he retired from Michigan today, at all of his college stops he would have left the program in much better shape than when he arrived. His work at Stanford is beyond great as they were essentially Kansas 2018 when he arrived. 

You assume any slapdick can get to 10 wins at Michigan. The same people who felt that way at Nebraska and Tennessee and bunch of other places. They haven't smelled any great success since Osborne's and Fulmer's departures respectfully and have spent a good majority of that time being awful. He has cleaned up the program nicely after the RichRod / Hoke years. 

You're right. He hasn't kicked ass against Ohio State. NOBODY HAS! Urban Meyer is arguably the best coach in the history of the Big Ten. I get nobody respects Michigan State around here, but Dantonio has done a wonderful job there (on the field only) and he's their best coach in the last 50+ years. Harbaugh is 2-2 against him. 

He's not on the Saban, Meyer, Swinney level. Absolutely no argument from me there. That doesn't mean he's not a good coach.

Drew Henson's Backup

September 22nd, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^

I agreed with about 98% of what was in here and there are some real golden nuggets that will get lost (such as the bit about replay).

I'm impressed you managed to fit a "Best" in but I guess the format requires it. You picked as good a one as any.

SD Larry

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^

Thanks for taking the time to write this Bronx Blue.  I have nothing to add about last weeks game except I hope its the low point of the season and it's always darkest before dawn.

MoCarrBo

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^

Harbaugh is 0-4 vs OSU, 1-10 vs top 10 teams. 1-6 against ranked road teams, 2-7 vs Rivals and 1-3 in Bowl games

 

Is Bill Connelly certain Harbaugh has gotten us back to our historical mean. Or is it that conference schedules are more bloated and that 10 wins isn't the same as it was winning 10 in the 80's or 90's.

StirredNotShaken

September 23rd, 2019 at 8:46 AM ^

It's not about how Harbaugh is doing compared to Alabama, Clemson and OSU.

 

Harbaugh is 13-15 in his career at Michigan against "peer level" programs (i.e. throw out the tomato can OOC games, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. in the Big 10). Included in the 13 wins is Northwestern and it's debatable whether they are a peer based on recruiting alone. Having a below .500 record against these teams is what has been most disappointing.

Michigan Arrogance

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:51 AM ^

I'm not so sure the peak has moved up from Neb & FSU in the 90s, USC & OSU in 00s.

The problem is, every 8-10 years there seems to be a new 2-3 teams that are crazy dominant. Now, it's Clem and Bama and OSU. And Michigan is never there. They never will be there. They just don't recruit the numbers of top 100-300 players that will allow that kind of dominance. Mostly b/c they look for kids who (on some level at least) want to play school and don't feel the need to get paid by bagmen. Look at the names of the schools who have rotated into and out of dominance over the last 30 years:

"The N is for knowledge" Huskers under Osborn (eg, Lawrence Phillips). 

Bowden's FSU, USC under Carroll (eg, Bush's gifted house)

OSU we know all about. Clemson under Dabo and Bama now.

The others schools that pop up to content in a given year (UF, Tex, LSU)  don't quite maintain that level of success b/c they pop up due to a transendent player (Tebow, Vince young, Fournette, Adrian Peterson) and/or the transendent coaches of the era moved on (UF from Spurrier and later Meyer and LSU under Saban).

Michigan either needs to find that next Saban/Meyer/Carroll/Spurrier/Sweeny etc, or make the transition UGa recently made (and Clemson before that?) to force itself into the next tier. We thought Michigan could do one of those with JH, but the breaks in 15 and 16 seasons just didn't fall into place and that killed the narative and recuriting momentum in 17 and 18. Don't get me wrong, tho, it wasn't just those breaks - plenty of the results we've seen over the last 3-4 years fall squarely on JH coaching decisions (max protect the MSU punt, EoG "Frames-like" decisions, OL coaching and recruiting decisions, DL recruiting decisions, OC staff decisions).

DeepBlueC

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^

You still talk about "luck" as if it's a demonstrable thing that magically afflicts Michigan in a bad way over and over.  It isn't.  It just isn't.  Things that you can coach, control and prepare for, things that teams and players can be better or worse at, are not "luck".   You need to get over this, along with the rest of the last-gasp Harbaugh apologists.

bronxblue

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^

Michigan lost 7 fumbles this year thus far; they lost 3 the entire 2018 season.  They've fumbled 3 times on their first drives of the season.  If you think they were taught to not turn the ball over in 2018 and they all forgot in 2019, or that coaches are calling more fumble-prone plays this season that's your prerogative.  But I sort of doubt it.

There is a randomness factor in sports, if you don't like the word "luck".  Notice I didn't claim that Patterson's first INT was "luck" because it wasn't; it was a poorly-thrown ball that got deflected by a lineman.  That's something a QB has to be aware of, a lineman has to engage against, and while there's some luck to it popping up and being dropped versus picked off, it's still a bad situation.  

I know you're ready to throw Harbaugh out and replace him with somebody else; you seem to have this misguided belief that "hey, this sucks but don't fire Harbaugh" makes us all kool-aid drinkers because that way you can feel like you're a speaker of truth and not just another disgruntled fan.  And as I noted repeatedly, Wisconsin wins this game because they were the better team sorta regardless of what happens at the edges.  

 

Gameboy

September 23rd, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^

It is pointless to argue against people who will believe whatever they want no matter what the facts say. And these are the worst type of people because they have strong bias for facts that support them but blind to any that do not.

Fumbles are random. It sucks. I know. But there is not much you can do about it. No matter what you say does not change that fact they are random.

The same goes for coaching changes. I know all you remember are positive coaching changes for other teams where the new coach brought new success. But that is the exception rather than the rule. Most coaching changes end up with either status quo, or more likely with worse results than what you had before. This is why football coaches are getting fired all the time. You think no one can do worse than Harbaugh, but the facts clearly shows that is not the case.

This society as a whole has gone down the tube because of these "I don't care about facts" crowd. They just believe whatever they want, without reason and cannot be talked out of it with facts.

Gameboy

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:16 PM ^

This is not true either. While it is true that there is absolutely no correlation to fumble recovery rate and win/loss rate. It is a very weak relationship between fumbles and win/loss. Which is understandable since if you do fumble more, you will lose.

And as this article from advance football states:

Here we start to see a bigger difference between interceptions and fumbles, and it suggests that interception tendencies are definitely more persistent than fumble tendencies. This is particularly true on defense, perhaps because interceptions, to some extent, result from good pass coverage skills and a good pass rush, both of which are also key components of a good overall defense. But the tendency to force (and recover) fumbles on defense appears to be mostly random from year to year.

taistreetsmyhero

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:37 PM ^

Your argument is a complete non-sequitur. Find me an article from an advanced stats website that isolates raw number of fumbles (ignoring fumbles actually lost that were recovered by the other team) and shows evidence that number is totally random.

Nothing that you posted suggests that ball security is random.

Gameboy

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2014/10/how-random-are-turnovers/

We arrive at a whopping conclusion that just over half of seasonal turnover differential is due to luck. That’s huge, especially when you consider that (from earlier) seasonal turnover differential explains over 40% of seasonal winning percentage.

This is for all turnovers.

And here is Ed Feng: https://thepowerrank.com/2014/01/31/how-to-predict-interceptions-in-the-nfl-backed-by-surprising-science/

The only predictive indicator for turnover is completion rate. Fumble are largely random.

 

DeepBlueC

September 23rd, 2019 at 6:22 PM ^

You tried the same silly dodge on fumbling in your last thread.  I'll repeat my answer:

No, I don’t think that our players “forgot” how to take care of the ball.   I think that focus, discipline and intensity can lapse, and that players and teams can become sloppier and lazier than they were. We’re talking about 18, 19, 20 year olds here. That is, again, on the coaches.

Which is clearly what's happening with this team.  But you're still on your "shit just happens" kick to explain everything.

Yeah, I get it...you're a Pollyanna.  That's YOUR prerogative.  Acknowledging deep-seated problems that won't be fixed by a few players getting back from injuries or a little extra ass-chewing by the coaches makes you uncomfortable, so you look for any way, no matter how verbose, to assure yourself and those like you that "we'll be fine".  But those of us who aren't into self-delusion and denial realize now that the Harbaugh tenure is not going to end well.  When and if you face up to that is up to you. 

Erik_in_Dayton

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^

Thanks for hanging in and doing this. I re-watched part of the game and will add the following non-expert commentary:

*The DL was going to get TFLs or nothing. They were mashed when they tried to take Wisconsin head on. And a DL whose anchor is Carlo Kemp (286 lbs) probably should be mashed by the Badgers in that circumstance. The unit is small and badly lacking in depth, as you reference. 

*I don't know what plays you're supposed to call when your OL can't run or pass block. Gattis may well deserve a lot of blame, but the OL raised the degree of difficulty for him as a play caller quite a lot.

As for the perception of the program, you touch on an important point. Michigan fans would probably feel fairly differently about Harbaugh if OSU had been going 9-4 each year during his tenure - and yes, I realize it's blindingly obvious that they'd feel differently if some of those losses were to Michigan. But my point is that Harbaugh (like Hoke and RR) has had the bad luck of coaching during a remarkable stretch by the Buckeyes. That's not an excuse, but it does help mold our opinions. And I have nothing much to offer beyond that observation.

Finally, I recommend Ad Astra. It's a thoughtful, well done movie. Brad Pitt gives maybe his best performance.

bronxblue

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:53 PM ^

The offensive line's step back has been glaring to me; I think a lot of it is adjusting to another new offensive system, but all of Patterson's existing passing issues are amplified when he's trying to dodge free rushers every 3rd play.  

I agree about the perception relative to OSU's success, but I've said for some time OSU isn't "due" a regression; they might not ever come back to the pack.  Or at the very least, you can't expect it.  Michigan has to catch them, and maybe that isn't ever going to be a reality but that gap could and should close.  

Erik_in_Dayton

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:06 PM ^

I think OSU will probably fall off a little under Day. But it's going to take a string of bad luck for them to fall all the way back to Michigan's recent level. It's likely that the state has too much talent, the school too much money, and the AD too much freedom to value wins above other things for the Buckeyes to struggle for long. 

DoubleB

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:35 PM ^

We aren't going to know about Day for a few years yet. That program is still Meyer's in a lot of ways. Day will slowly make it his own and then we will see. Remember the great Mark Helfrich of Oregon? I don't think Day/OSU will fall apart like Oregon, but it does take time for any culture change (both positive or negative) to really take root.

mackbru

September 23rd, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

I think the OP is mostly right. But I agree with Erik especially. I'm no X and O expert. Far from it. Going into the season, though, I couldn't for the life of me figure how the pundits here were assuming our D-line was going to hold up. There was one good but not totally proven pass-rusher (Uche) and one promising but totally unproven youngster (Aiden). Plus two 4-star true freshman unlikely to see a lot of time. The rest were clearly just...guys. And there weren't enough of them. This is a major problem without any real fix. This line will get bullied all year. Might as well put in the young guys and build for next year. No alternative.

Alumnus93

September 23rd, 2019 at 2:29 PM ^

The remarkable stretch by the Buckeyes as you call it, was due to three reasons...  First, Tressel worked hard to shut us out of the state for recruits... Second, when Lloyd began to lose consistently to them, he wasn't replaced in 2005 or 2006 with someone who could, and made the recruiting in Ohio even worse... Third, they hired Meyer.

Had they hired Dantini while at Cinci... he could take it to Tressel... he had the Ohio contacts to recruit, and by the time Meyer came, if at all, our team would have had tons of Ohio players, like before, many that would be at OSU...  If it weren't for Tressel, alot of their players would be playing for us right now, and can assure you we'd have beaten them several times, not 1 in 14 years.

OldBlue74

September 22nd, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^

Thanks for this.  I read your work every week and appreciate your insights.  You're twice as old as the players, I'm three times as old.  I wish I could tell you the pain is not so bad at my age, but I'd be lying.  

I'm trying to convince myself that the dysfunctional offense is at least partially a result of "transition."  I tell myself we're only 3 games into the season.  But we haven't really seen any progress over those three games and that is discouraging.

Maybe we all need to adjust our expectations.  I don't want to do that, but I've only seen one Michigan national championship in my lifetime, and that may be all we can expect.

bronxblue

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:05 PM ^

I do think the transition costs are still in effect; they shouldn't be this pronounced but I'm not totally shocked by it.  And a small part of me is comforted by the fact that when they started launching the ball downfield it worked; that's the type of playcalling Gattis wants to make and some faint signs of life from it is perhaps a positive step.

As for the title and all that, who knows.  I live in Boston now and people here were certain they wouldn't see a sports title (other than the Celtics) for decades; they've now won something like 12 titles since 2000.  College football is weird and sometimes you can find yourself back on top.  It's sort of why I don't like the idea of a quick change; it's a lot easier to take advantage of good fortune when you're already really good.  And while I don't think Harbaugh will ever make Michigan Alabama, I'm not sure there's a coach out there who could pull that off at Michigan in this conference. 

DoubleB

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:50 PM ^

"And while I don't think Harbaugh will ever make Michigan Alabama, I'm not sure there's a coach out there who could pull that off at Michigan in this conference."

Oh they are out there and there are probably more of them than you think. The problem is twofold: most ADs think they know football and don't. Most ADs at the upper levels often farm the decision to a "search committee" who don't necessarily have the school's interest at heart.

We have all this amazing 21st century technology and most organizations still hire their most important assets (people) like it's 1955. And I'm not talking about data analytics stuff. How do you determine which coach can get Patterson to process better (or move on from the sunk cost of coaching him)? How do you determine which coach can adjust better in game (everybody thinks they can, most can't)? How do you determine which players to take in recruiting? How do you improve the development process (I think Clemson has been remarkable at this)?

How do you find a coach that can, using a finance term, create alpha within the program? Most ADs and hiring agents don't even understand that's the goal.

taistreetsmyhero

September 23rd, 2019 at 2:03 AM ^

This really resonates, especially after watching a cluster performance by Arsenal that ended in a “miraculous” comeback fueled by their manager’s “incredible” substitution decisions. Problem is that the manager is in so far over his head and wants to play a loser’s style of soccer and puts his team in a position to fail by benching his best players and overthinking the starting line ups. 

I don’t understand how that organization couldn’t predict from his previous failure at PSG, another top club, that he’s be in over his head.

bronxblue

September 23rd, 2019 at 8:21 AM ^

I'm sure there is some coach out there who could take UM to the playoffs with the talent on the roster.  But looking around, it's hard to tell which coaches could work culturally at UM and consistently win.  This isn't some morality argument per se, but Urban Meyer, Dabo, Saban, etc. aren't going to last long term at UM and do what they do to keep winning.  It's just not possible.  And the Lincoln Riley's of the world are still interested; I looked up the Big 12 and they had something like 4 non-OU teams finish in the top 25 in the final rankings.  The Big 10 had 10 non-UM finishes.  It's just a tougher lift here.

So I don't know.  I just think that firing a head coach and trying to convince another top coach to come to a place that will have canned 3 coaches in a decade is a tough sell.

DoubleB

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:41 AM ^

My argument is less about specific coordinators and coaches and the current optics of letting Harbaugh go. It's more about the fact there are really good coaches out there who could create alpha at Michigan even with some of the above liabilities in place (academics, culture, etc.). My guess is they aren't in traditional places like coordinators of top schools, but maybe an FCS header or a coordinator of a Group of 5 school. Michigan, and most top 25 schools, don't search for guys with those resumes.

Urban Meyer was never an OC before becoming a header at Bowling Green. 

Dabo Swinney was never a coordinator before becoming the header at Clemson.

These are probably two of the best 3 head coaches of this young century.

Lincoln Riley was 34 when given the keys at OU to follow Stoops. Jury might still be out on him long-term, but he's obviously off to a great start.

Jim Tressel at Youngstown State is another example.

There are people who saw something special in these guys as head coaches long before a school like Michigan would have taken a chance on him. 

I'm not suggesting Michigan fire Harbaugh. In fact the one thing Harbaugh did do is prevent Michigan from becoming Nebraska / Tennessee. And that is much more significant than most fans believe. But I am saying there is someone out there who can maximize Michigan. And he, as likely as not, is a guy nobody currently knows about.

J.

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:39 AM ^

Your age gap will actually narrow, in relative terms, as the season progresses; it'll then leap at the start of next season and start narrowing again. :)

Thank you for writing this.  It's a welcome respite from just about all of the other commentary around the program.

Not that you asked <g>, but my opinion is that transition costs are greatly underestimated.  Bringing in Gattis's system meant throwing out a lot of what worked last year.  Eventually, things will improve -- unless Michigan decides to throw everything out and start over, in which case the seemingly endless rebuilding cycle starts anew.  I will never understand why people who lived through the Rodriguez and Hoke eras would want Harbaugh fired.  Do we really want to start over again?  I would prefer to try to get some system continuity.  Shea Patterson is working for his third offensive coordinator in three years.

Joby

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:27 AM ^

I got the sense that what bronxblue meant was that as the season wore on, an increasing number of younger players would see the field, this skewing average contributor age younger. Your point very much still stands (as does your point about coaching changes, and I upvoted accordingly). 

bronxblue

September 23rd, 2019 at 8:27 AM ^

Yeah, the fact UM is on its third OC in 4 years is going to mess with people.  It's why I didn't think the offense was that bad last year because the system had some coherence despite the move to Hamilton and McElwain.  

I went back and looked at those PSU teams under Moorhead and it took them some time. They put up better raw numbers because they played garbage teams, but it wasn't until midway through the year when they blew guys away.  That's a different team with different talent, but the "Fire Gattis" crowd after 3 games are just idiots.