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Brian February 22nd, 2023 at 4:33 PM

Why can't you just be in one place? Well, offseason coaching attrition may not be done yet:

Not-yet-mothballed SB Nation blog Bleeding Green Nation has an overview of the Eagles DC search, which is currently up to six candidates. Math indicates Minter is likely to remain Michigan's DC, but the interview indicates we shouldn't get too comfortable with him in the role. If Minter goes you have to figure Jim Leonhard gets a phone call, right?

Photo choice: not inspired. So when you draft an offensive lineman the perfect thing to demonstrate his prowess is to show a picture of him getting his ass beat by Mike Morris:

Probably the best one they could find from that game.

[After THE JUMP: nobody's buying it anymore.]

The NCAA's in court again, and it is Not Going Well. A follow-up to that court case trying to establish that college athletes are indeed employees:

Arguing for the NCAA, attorney Steven Katz encountered a “hot bench,” in that the judges quickly launched into challenging questions and didn’t hesitate to interrupt him. Katz warned that if the players win, it would “create a minefield of unforeseen consequences” that might prove detrimental to women athletes and raise thorny legal questions under two other laws, Title VII and Title IX.

Judge McKee wasn’t persuaded, referencing glaring weight room discrepancies for men’s and women’s basketball players at the NCAA basketball tournaments as reason to believe there are already inequities under the NCAA’s watch.

Katz also faced scrutiny when he argued that college athletes are not professional athletes, because they play without an expectation of compensation. That argument has worked with other courts studying this issue. It didn’t seem to persuade this three-judge bench, who suggested college athletes don’t expect pay because they know the NCAA and colleges have agreed college athletes can’t be paid.

Do not expect quick movement here; this hearing is just a hearing about a hearing about a hearing.

The technical question before the panel is whether Judge John Padova of Pennsylvania’s federal district court applied the correct standard when denying the NCAA’s motion to dismiss two years ago. If the answer is “yes” then the case returns to Padova for pretrial discovery, where the NCAA and member schools would be required to answer questions under oath and share sensitive documents.

So it's been two years since this motion to dismiss was denied and they're just getting around to resolving that small piece of a vastly complex puzzle. Settle in for the billable hours.

Eyeroll. College games are too long because there are more commercial breaks in one quarter of football than an entire hockey game, so it's once again time to try to cut down on the length of games because people need more money. CFB is exploring various changes to clock rules:

The non-controversial proposals include (1) prohibiting consecutive timeouts (ie, icing kickers) and (2) no longer extending a first or third quarter for an untimed down if the quarter ends on a defensive penalty (the down would be clocked starting the next quarter). …

In a third proposal that is garnering wide support, the clock will continue to run after an offense gains a first down except inside of two minutes in a half. In a more controversial fourth proposal, the clock will continue to run after an incomplete pass once the ball is spotted for play.

I enjoy getting rid of timeouts so hooray to 1. 2 is almost irrelevant. The other two are just ways to cut down on plays so that we can see more goddamned Buick commercials. Boo. There's even an estimate of how many:

A running clock after a first down would eliminate about seven to nine plays per game. A running clock after an incomplete pass could eliminate more than twice that number.

If both proposals pass they're cutting out 15% of a football game. FFS. Ross Dellenger slips this bald-faced lie in at the end of his article:

Television commercials don’t impact game time significantly. From 2018-2020, games not televised finished only about two minutes sooner than those televised.

This has to be the all-time greatest water-carrying moment in the history of journalism. I'm just going to pop into one of the games I have on my computer to see how long it is once you cut out the commercials and halftime. Aaaaand Michigan-Rutgers checks in at…

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…Michigan-Michigan State?

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GTFO out of here with "television commercials don't impact game time significantly." There's a literal hour of them in every game!

Transfer trends. Bill Connelly looks at the transfer market from last year and finds, oddly, that the most plug-and-play spots on the field are…

Offensive linemen remained the most likely to find the success they were looking for. The average score for offensive linemen was second to only that of linebackers, and no position unit saw a higher percentage increase. Interestingly, this was the case no matter what type of move this player was making, up or down the FBS ladder. Two transfer linemen, Michigan's Olusegun Oluwatimi (from Virginia) and Florida's O'Cyrus Torrence (from Louisiana), were named consensus All-Americans.

In all, it was good to be a transfer O-lineman, and it was even better to be a linebacker. Four of every nine linebacker transfers (44%, the highest average for any position) ended up with a score of 4 or higher, and that number skyrocketed to 68% for players moving up a level (either from FCS to FBS or from a Group of 5 school to the P5).

…offensive line and linebacker? I have done a lot of charting over the years and those would have been the very last spots I would have guessed were relatively easy to pick up after a transfer. Good news for Michigan, though, which just restocked their OL with more players than they actually lost to the NFL and picked up a highly touted LB in Ernest Haussman.

Hughes draws notice. Not that Hughes. TJ ranks in Corey Pronman's list of undrafted NHL prospects. He slots in at 26, which is in the "Longshots to play in the NHL" tier, so I don't think an early departure is in the cards just yet:

26. T. J. Hughes, C, Michigan-Ben Ten: Hughes has been quite good for Michigan as a freshman. He’s a very skilled and intelligent center who has shown he can create a lot of offense at the college level and help a power play. His skating is just OK for me and that will be the big thing preventing him from making the NHL level. I suspect he likely goes back for another season, but if he decides to come out I think there would be interest given his scoring record in college and junior and not being undersized.

Pronman also mentions that Portillo is not expected to sign with Buffalo and that "I expect him to either be a free agent by June 1 or have his right traded to a team he will sign with," which implies he's leaving after the season despite having another year of eligibility left. NHL teams retain draft rights to players until "30 days after the player has left college," per NHL.com. I was under the impression that Portillo would not be a FA until after next year. Michigan does not have a goalie coming in so if Portillo leaves they'd likely have to scramble for a transfer.

Etc.: Ludacris's character arc. Alabama basketball shooting story is wild. Mental health practice time for hockey. Mazi Smith (#54) is the only Michigan player in the Athletic's top 100 for the upcoming NFL Draft. Advice about ferns. The origins of Michigan's colors and traditions.

Comments

DoubleB

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^

Those clock rules started the clock between changes of possessions. So the game clock would move after a punt but prior to the offense taking the opening snap of the series, etc. 

I know that cut plays out of games, but I'm unsure how much.

I remember Dick Koetter of Arizona State punting to USC in a situation where USC only had to kneel down to win the game. Naturally, he became an NFL head coach.

Brhino

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^

"lets make football faster by having less actual football" is not a winning bet.  I would instead propose:

1. Every fan in attendance is refunded $5 off the ticket price for every "full media timeout".  

2. Fans may purchase commemorative bean bags at concession areas and may legally throw them at the "red hat guy" during media timeouts.  Fans in the luxury boxes may rent compressed-air powered bean bag launchers.

3. All kickoff times must be posted 24 hours in advance.  For every 5 minutes of delay between the posted time and the start of the actual game (excluding weather delays and other Acts of God), a studio executive shall have a finger amputated at halftime.

Wallaby Court

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^

"lets make football faster by having less actual football" is not a winning bet.

Of course not. The broadcasters selling advertisements have no incentive or pressure to reduce the amount of advertising in a game. The proposed rulechanges will not shorten the overall airtime, just shift even more airtime from football to advertisements. The same thing would happen with the various alternatives pitched for media timeouts, like picture-in-picture advertisements, in-game ad reads, or in-stadium virtual advertisements.

maquih

February 23rd, 2023 at 8:39 AM ^

It's sad to me, commercialization of the sport drove me away from the NFL and i dont know how much more I can take before it drives me away from college football.  Im an alum so UofM is something very special to me but there's thousands of ways to be involved with the university without sitting through an hour of commercials, at the home games or on tv for road games.

DoubleB

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^

Dellenger is lying. Just look at game time in D2 and D3 games which are rarely televised and have zero commercials. They usually come in around 2:30 and rarely go over 3 hours.

The third proposal just gets us closer to the NFL-ification of the game.

willirwin1778

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^

Someone should do an analysis on NCAA football and the supply and demand curve of commercial pricing.  We need more info.  

Basically, if the NCAA reduced the number of commercials during a game, wouldn't the networks be allowed to charge more for the commercials? 

And, if they took that approach. is there a sweetspot here for games featuring teams in the Top 25, in which they would actually make more money selling premium ad spots vs. the shotgun approach I feel like we are all being subjected. 

Can we make this a "win/win"

The stoppages are brutal and the heart rate and oxygen recovery players reap during a stoppage is making the game more dangerous by increasing the rate of speed players have coming out of repeated prolonged delays.  Excessive commercials are essentially a player health issue and concussion issue at this point because they directly increase the speed players carry into a tackle/collision, because that Strong Safety just took a 5 minute water break during commercials and is ready to break his 40 time on the next play.

Anyone who has ever worn a heart rate monitor during reps knows exactly what happens during recovery.

Wallaby Court

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^

Basically, if the NCAA reduced the number of commercials during a game, wouldn't they be allowed to charge more for the commercials?

Your error is believing that the NCAA has any say in the amount and duration of commercials aired during a broadcast. The single largest reason that NCAA football airtimes have ballooned is that no single party negotiates on behalf of colleges.

willirwin1778

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:33 PM ^

It sounds like we need some regulations. I honestly don't see how this isn't a lawsuit eventually. 

It is pretty obvious that the networks play a significant role in causing the injuries.  For example, it isn't an exact apples to apples comparison, but international Rugby with no commercials essentially forces the players into an endurance and exhaustion competition.  Overall it is much safer if the players are actually getting tired and slower and the rate of impact is reduced.   

Commercials maximize the speed of impact.           

funkywolve

February 22nd, 2023 at 8:17 PM ^

This.  It's the conferences that negotiate on behalf of the schools - the Big Ten has their own media contract, the SEC has their own media contract, etc.  The catch is the conference and probably most of the schools are primarily focused on how much money they can get.  They aren't to concerned about what's going to happen to the consumer/fan or the player.  

Wallaby Court

February 22nd, 2023 at 8:56 PM ^

In theory, nothing. In practice, equal parts greed, fungibility, and leverage, shaken with a dash of apathy. First, conferences want to maximize their media rights payouts, which means agreeing to more and longer commercial breaks. Second, unlike the NFL, conferences have to worry about reasonably equivalent competitors who can undercut their demands. If the B1G tries to take a hard line on commercial breaks, the SEC can swoop in and agree to more favorable terms, which creates a race to the bottom. Third, college football is not as valuable as the NFL. The most viewed college football game has about as many viewers as the least watched NFL game in an average week. And finally, the conferences just do not care. I suspect most conference executives do not care about the quality of the TV viewing experience. Why would they? Our dissatisfaction does not affect their bottom line.

Kingpin74

February 22nd, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^

You’re exactly right, the problem is the tv deals were just renegotiated (for Big Ten and SEC at least) and I’m guessing they have a maximum amount of commercial time allotted that they’ll stick to come hell or high water. Once they pay their fees and stick to that time allotment, the networks are allowed to maximize revenue as much as they possibly can. The conferences wouldn’t even be able to put reduced commercial time on the table for another 6-7 years (not that they would anyway), that money and maximum commercial time is agreed to and done.

Judge Smails

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:13 PM ^

"Television commercials don’t impact game time significantly. From 2018-2020, games not televised finished only about two minutes sooner than those televised."

With "journalism" like this, it's no surprise as to the state SI finds itself in today.

los barcos

February 22nd, 2023 at 6:27 PM ^

This seems so totally wrong that I have to assume there is going to be more context coming out.  Usually Ross is pretty straightforward, he doesn't carry the NCAAs water on the Yahoo Sports Podcast.  I have to assume there is going to be a correction about this - since you cannot say with a straight face that commercials don't impact the game - they have to!  (Unless you're trying to make the argument that the length of breaks are going to be the same with or without commercials...which doesn't add up either.)

jmblue

February 22nd, 2023 at 8:09 PM ^

That is such a ridiculous claim for them to make.  Obviously you'd save a ton of time by eliminating media timeouts.  

The only possible way that could be true would be if they looked at games that had radio coverage but no TV.  They would still be taking media timeouts, I imagine.  So yeah, they'd be the same length as televised games.  But if that's their point, it's pretty disingenuous.

camblue

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^

Hate hate hate proposals 3 and 4. Not only do they cut down on actual football, but they also would significantly reduce the amount of late game college football insanity that can be had on final drives.

Blue In NC

February 23rd, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^

I think I am actually the other way.  First downs theoretically have a basis to temporarily stop for time to move the chains and get set up (when clock starts).  What is the true basis for a pass completion running the clock but an incompletion stopping the clock?  If anything, it takes longer to get organized after a completion because there has been a tackle.  Although I wonder what they would do about spiking the ball.

oriental andrew

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^

You know how we, the consumer, get screwed at the grocery store by paying the same or more for less? E.g., Ice cream cartons used to be a 1/2 gallon, now they're 1.5 quarts. They're also pushing the boundary of how much air they can mix in and still legally call it ice cream. Ergo, less volume and less density = less product. Yet we still pay more for it than we used to. 

Do the same for commercials. Make them all 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds, but charge advertisers the same amount. The advertisers get their commercials, the broadcasters get their money, and we get about 8-10 minutes of commercial time* removed.

Also, screw booth officials who take fricking forever to review the most obvious plays, and still get it wrong half the time. 

*According to this article, "There are 16 scheduled commercial breaks in national college football broadcasts, which can last as long as four minutes each." When I skip through commercials, I usually hit the 30 second skip button 6 times, so I figure about 3 minutes per break. With 16 scheduled breaks at 6 commercials each, that's 96 commercials. Multiply by 5 seconds to get 480 seconds of reduced time, divide by 60 to get a reduction of 8 minutes of commercials. 

Now we can suffer for less time with all those Rinvoq, Biktarvy, Roman, and Bent Carrot commercials. NGL, I don't mind most of the insurance commercials. At least they're not cringey like all the pharma ads. 

leidlein

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:39 PM ^

I hate the rule change proposal of letting the clock run on 1st down. That is actually one of the things I like about CFP as compared to NFL. Who doesn't want more plays? And the reality is any game time they "save", the network executives will very quickly decide "we can run more commercials per game".

If they sincerely want to shorten games, here is a thought, get rid of replay. Has it really fixed anything? How many times have we seen replay make the wrong call? And I believe refs use it as a crutch, causing even more interruptions. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

February 22nd, 2023 at 6:27 PM ^

If they sincerely want to shorten games, here is a thought, get rid of replay. Has it really fixed anything? How many times have we seen replay make the wrong call? And I believe refs use it as a crutch, causing even more interruptions.
 

This x100.  Replay sucks and the refs are completely dependent on it to officiate anything.  It spawns  interminable frame by frame analysis by idiot announcers/fans/ and former refs whose job is to explain why something that is clear and obvious to no one is in fact clear and obvious.  It takes excitement away from big moments because you’re always waiting to see if review is gonna overturn, and the announcement of the result of a video review just isn’t as exciting as an actual football play. 

DoubleB

February 22nd, 2023 at 8:46 PM ^

Replay has issues, including added game time, but the game is better because of it because it does get more right than wrong.

This is the same logic of those who complain about too much ESPN. Yeah, they have issues. I'd rather have wall to wall football, and football choices, on Saturday than go back to my viewing options in the 70s.

ERdocLSA2004

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:49 PM ^

I say if the game is nationally televised, we give each team 12 timeouts a half, extend halftime to 40 minutes, and run commercials during the actual game using up 50% of your tv screen.  If that’s not an option, shortening the game and taking away actual content to protect the commercial time seems like the next best option.  FFS.

Teddy Bonkers

February 22nd, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^

I think they could reduce game length by shoe horning in more 30 second commercial breaks, and reducing number of longer breaks, as soon as anything goes to official review drop for a 30 second commercial. Maybe they can even sell some 15 or 20 second spots.if a team calls a 30 second time out cut to a 15 second commercial. 

I won't mind a 15-20 second commercial running with game reduced to picture in picture, for most kick offs, most just go out the back of end zone and if something interesting happens broadcast always seems to have plenty of time for replays.

Get rid of sideline reporter interview at end of first half, I'd rather get a commercial out of the way then and reduce duration for later media time outs.

ppudge

February 22nd, 2023 at 6:05 PM ^

Well, I just saw goalie Marcus Brannman out of Dubuque in the USHL just committed to us, so Portillo is probably gone unless this is just security.  The kid is already 20, so an over-ager.  Not sure if his ranking - just saw the news on Twitter.

4th phase

February 23rd, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^

People keep saying this, but I'm not buying it. 

A man who does software development makes the same as a woman who does software development, but the woman who cuts hair doesn't make the same as either of them. Football and volleyball are effectively different "jobs" in this case. There's no expectation that a woman's volleyball player would get the same salary as a football player.

Considering them employees actually significantly reduces complications. A university employee who is an economics lecturer makes more than an employee who works hourly at the library. No one cares about Title IX in employment.

And even currently, as the judge says, the football players and men's basketball players already receive way better facilities and perks under Title IX. Title IX doesn't mean everything is exactly equal. It just means you can't discriminate. 

Now will men's volleyball and women's volleyball have to receive the same "salary"? Yeah I'd assume so. Since they are both nonrev I'd bet that number is pretty low. The only slightly sticky case is the mens/womens basketball. But again, they aren't equal now. It's pretty clear why, one brings in money and the other doesn't. So I don't think there's any expectation under Title IX that they'd make the same amount.

jackw8542

February 22nd, 2023 at 7:57 PM ^

Not only do the timeouts for commercials dramatically lengthen games, they also impact outcomes by bringing a game to a screeching halt just when one team may be gaining momentum. And no one listens to the commercials anyway.