MGoPodcast 15.0.c: Special Extended Edition Comment Count

BlueBarron August 27th, 2023 at 3:06 PM

2 hour and 27 minutes

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1. Non-Conference

Starts at 1:00

The non-conference is bad. That is all! David is excited for the ECU game! Last year was the Pirates' all-in season but now most of their good players are gone (except for their genuine 4-star quarterback). They're kind of like Mid-Tennessee State from a few years ago. UNLV has a new coach. UNLV discussion dissolves into discussions about Dug (as in like the show 'Dug'). They weren't ranked #12 at anything on The Enemy Ranked! That Ricky White is back. Connor Bazelak returns for Bowling Green (possibly with a better offensive line).  

[The rest of the writeup and the player after THE JUMP]

2. B1G East

Starts at 16:44

Indiana is really rough, there's a QB battle between two players nobody's really heard of. They lost a lot of guys to the portal. They did get Wisconsin's offensive line coach so there will be immediate improvement there at least. There could be 7-8 transfers starting on defense.

Rutgers has a path to get to bowl eligibility, but it's a rough one (and involves beating Michigan State). They have a decent defense at least, but the offense won't be doing much.

Michigan State loses Peyton Thorne and Keon Coleman in the spring which is pretty devastating for an offense that already was struggling. It's probably going to be Noah Kim at QB, and he probably won't have many open receivers to choose from. Their offensive line probably can't get worse, though. Maybe they go from 104th in Football Outsider's average line yards to 90th? The defensive line might be okay but their linebackers still can't run. Michigan State has a really tough schedule too, and they sold their home game against Penn State to Ford Field. Last year they had one thing and now that thing is gone.

Maryland is the definition of a 7-on-7 program, they have no offensive or defensive lines. Taulia might be running for his life. Don't forget, Josh Gattis is the new offensive coordinator!

Besides Saquon Barkley, what hyped up Penn State running back has picked apart Michigan? They're talented but will the offensive line carry them this season? They reload a bit at wide receiver. Drew Allar is a pure pocket passer (he's slow but not Navarre slow). Penn State has always had a quarterback that could solve problems with their legs and Allar doesn't bring that. They'll need their offensive line to be what it's supposed to be. The defense could make up the deficiencies on offense. DB Kalen King was such a huge miss for Michigan that Penn State took advantage of. Their depth is really good at linebacker. 

Ohio State still has a quarterback competition and a lot of questions about the offensive line. They took a left tackle from San Diego State who wasn't a starter. The defensive ends didn't produce as much as they were supposed to last year and they ate up the offensive line in the spring game. We got to see how Kyle McCord performs under duress at least. There's no data on Devin Brown. Could this be a developmental season for their quarterback? When was the last time Ohio State had that? The wide receivers are still world-enders and the running back room is the second best in the conference. OL Donovan Jackson is in the running to be the best guard with Zak Zinter in the Big Ten, so there's that. What do you know about Jim Knowles' 'Jack' position? Defensive end depth doesn't have someone stepping up. It's not too much to ask that one of your mega five stars lives up to their expectation. Denzel Burke is popping up on first round draft boards because of his metrics but he's not been impressive, he didn't have much improvement in his 2nd year. Lathan Ransom had one of the worst games in The Game in recent memory, welcome back! If Sonny Styles hits, he could be Dax Hill ++. Who in their secondary is getting a star in the diagram? So far nobody. Tommy Eichenberg is the biggest star. Year two of Jim Knowles got better at Oklahoma State, but his year twos anywhere else weren't better. Why does every team have to have their own cute term for a nickel? 

3. Hot Takes and B1G West

Starts at 1:29:21

Takes hotter than the Michigan football program gosh darn it. Brian goes on a wonderful hot takes rant and had good news for Ohio State fans in Tampa. 

Before the Northwestern scandal, you could maybe look at their schedule and see 3-4 wins. They even have a real quarterback now (and A.J. Henning). But now the coaching is a mess so they might be 1-11 again. Alex has a surprising amount of things to say about Northwestern.

Matt Rhule isn't re-building Nebraska, he's just building Nebraska. They retained their offensive line coach, at least. The defensive line is a disgrace. Maybe they can weasel their way into six wins. They recruit talented players but those players just don't develop at all.

Purdue might not be as bad as some people think, but it could also very well be a year zero scenario. First year head coach Ryan Walters has some work to do.

The gang is split on whether Minnesota is good or not. They have a right tackle who can't pass block but is a monster in the ground game. Minnesota likes to fill their holes with transfers from Western Michigan. Tyler Nubin is a projected first round pick at safety. They might beat Michigan once or twice out of ten. There's always a game that's weirdly close and this could be the one. 

Alex's biggest thing on Illinois is: NONE OF YOU BELIEVED HIM. Defense brings back a lot and should still be solid. Losing Chase Brown is big and nobody projects to be as good. The offensive line returns three starters and Isaiah Williams returns at receiver so there are still some good pieces. They won the Big Ten West lottery by not getting Michigan or Ohio State. 

Iowa - if the offensive line could just be a 2017 Iowa OL then they would be really good. They would always have a tackle who was drafted highly. The wide receivers are questionable but they did get a transfer from Ohio State. Erick All will add some needed depth. If Cade McNamara is behind an offensive line that is 128th in line yardage then the game is over before it starts. 

Wisconsin is going to look so weird this year. They have so much talent on this roster but how quickly can they adapt to the new coaching scheme? Tanner Mordecai is the third best QB in the conference? The offensive line is developed for a completely different scheme. The defense was 14th in SP+ and brings seven guys back. If the scheme comes together they're the favorite of the west, if it doesn't then there are a lot of teams that could step up. 

4. Predictions, and Final Takes on the Season

Starts at 2:09:04

Who wins the Big Ten West? Who wins the Big Ten East? Who makes the playoff? IS TEXAS BACK? How attainable is actually winning the National Championship? Michigan might not be recruiting at Georgia's level but is anyone better than Zak Zinter? Three flee flickers in a row will instill the fear of God. 

MUSIC:

  • “Mazel Tron”— BLP Kosher and Baby Tron
  • “Nothing To You”— Michael Kiwanuka
  • “Kindness Will Follow Your Tears”—  Lonnie Holley and Bon Iver
  • “Across 110th Street”
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If they win the West I will wear a shirt that says "I am a Bert-liever"

Comments

WeimyWoodson

August 27th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^

I have to say that this three-parter is my favorite podcast of the year from any of the podcasts I listen to! When I see the first one hit my feed I get so excited knowing the season is almost here and I get like six hours of breakdown with everything. 

Thank you guys for your time and such a great podcast! 

willirwin1778

August 27th, 2023 at 5:08 PM ^

I have to remind myself that McCord was Harrison's HS QB.  And I always kind of had a guess that Harrison probably made him look a lot better in HS than perhaps he really was and possibly McCord just isn't as good as his recruiting profile suggested.  The HS highlights certainly look like that is a possibility.  Harrison wide open by five yards deep ball . . . you get the idea.

Jerry Rice Jr. would have been better I suppose, but not by much.

  

J. Redux

August 27th, 2023 at 9:30 PM ^

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but…

Husky Stadium is a nice place to watch a game, sort of, but unless it’s a day game in early September, the weather is going to be miserable, and the fan base is apathetic.

Autzen Stadium is roughly the size of Ryan Field, but at least they can probably fill it.  It’s also conveniently located a three-hour drive from Portland.

The LA Coliseum is in South Central, and it will easily hold more than 100% of all actual USC fans.

The Rose Bowl, of course, is a gem, but given that it’s located an hour’s drive from campus, it’s not exactly a great game-time atmosphere for a regular season game.  Also, parking is miserable around the stadium — worse even than The Big House — and Pasadena is also an hour from the nearest other interesting thing in LA, unless you’d like to do a studio tour.  (I’d recommend the strawberry donuts at the Donut Man but they’ll be out of season).

TL/DR: don’t expect the new additions to the Big Ten to be that much more exciting than the old additions.  There’s a reason that Michigan has shown up so well for west-coast events like the NCAA tournament games there — it’s because midwestern transplants are the only real college sports fans along the entire west coast.

ndhillon

August 27th, 2023 at 10:04 PM ^

I went to the Rose Bowl for a UCLA-Washington night game during the Austin Seferian-Jenkins era.  It was….ok.  Driving through the housing development to the golf course parking sucked.  Walking from the golf course was annoying.  The food concourse was eh. The actual stadium was old but nice.  Great sight lines. And the weather was perfect.

NotADuck

August 27th, 2023 at 11:02 PM ^

Hold up.  Gattis is working for Mike Locksley?  The guy he got into a verbal fist-fight with in the media?  Man, its gotta be really embarrassing to tuck your tail between your legs and ask for a job from a guy you tried to verbally undress in public.

Gonna be  really awkward to coach on that sideline this season.

Wolverine In Exile

August 28th, 2023 at 11:54 AM ^

Just a small town boy

Livin' in SOUth Ill-i-noooiiisss

He took the midnight train away from Ark-aaaannn-ssssaaaaasss

 

Now he's in Urbana-Champaign

Gettin' Wiscy Lineman, ag-aaaaiiinnn

His wife is really glad they have Am-a-zon Priiiiimmmmmeee

 

DON'T STOP

BERT-LIEEEEVIN'

HOLD ON TO THE FEEEEEEEELLLIIIINNNNNN

LeCheezus

August 28th, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^

Swamp Kings was pretty much a 4 hour waste of my time, but I did glean one useful piece of information from it (that Brian alluded to in the podcast); Urban Meyer is the kind of guy that could take in a ton of talent and egos, break them all down, build them back up, and make a great, tough team out of them (yes, he is a shitty person, but bear with me here).  Ryan Day is not that guy.

I can hear your rebuttal already - Urban's OSU teams usually dropped a clunker once a year, and Day has never done that!  Yeah, guess what?  Urban dropped a clunker BOTH years he won a National Championship at Florida AND the year he won a National Championship at OSU.  In fact, the only time they won all of their regular season games, they got stomped by Bama in the SEC title game (Florida 2009), were on a bowl ban (OSU 2012).  He generally got his teams ready for the games that mattered, meanwhile Ryan Day's gameplan for Michigan is the same as it is for Rutgers. 7-0 vs 1-2 where the "1" could easily turn out to be a Wile E Coyote year.

runandshoot

August 28th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^

I have to say this series of podcasts was some of the best I've listened to on this site. Granted, it's probably easier to hear about the team when most of the positions are strengths, but very entertaining.

Going to need more weekly podcasts now - you've conditioned all of us to expect six+ hours of content now that we can binge-listen hahaha

907_UM Nanook

August 28th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^

The laughter content just got better as we moved from A to C. Thanks for taking us thru the crash course for a season primer & giving my ears some sweet gospel during projects this weekend!

tragictones

August 29th, 2023 at 11:30 AM ^

Tale of two blogs.  The other day on Elevenwarriors, someone created a board thread listing the top 30 players in the Big Ten.  JJ McCarthy was absent.  Ohio State fans aren't buying him.  So, I had to jump in and mention that ESPN, 247, and On3 all put out their list of top 100 players heading into the year.  JJ was firmly in the top 30 of Big Ten players according to all three websites (something like, 7th, 9th, 17th in the Big Ten.)

But, this podcast was no more levelheaded than that Elevenwarriors board post.  At the end of this podcast, these guys debate who else would you take at QB above McCarthy, other than Caleb Williams.  They all seemed to think JJ is a clear top 2-4 QB nationally.  But, according to to ESPN, 247 and On3, that's way too high.  247 has him 9th best QB.  On3 has him 7th.  Espn has him 12th. 

Personally, I agree with On3 who had JJ 7th, but way down the list overall at # 70.  On3 has way fewer QBs on their list than the other sites.  I agree.  Outside of Williams and Maye, not a very exciting QB class.  JJ may be a top 7 QB, but it is a weak QB cohort in CFB this year.