Hello: Tank Wright and Bob Shoop
Michigan has apparently filled its defensive vacancies. As mentioned a couple days ago, assistant S&C coach Tank Wright is getting a bump to position coach. Webb reported this was likely and twitter sleuths noted a change in Wright's twitter bio to go from "S&C coach" to just "coach" recently.
Wright followed Ben Herbert from Arkansas a couple years back after a career as an OLB/DE at Arkansas which led to a cup of coffee in the NFL. As soon as he finished that coffee he signed up to be an S&C guy at his alma mater. If you've ever been party to an online discussion of strength and conditioning you know that evaluating S&C guys is… uh… contentious. I have no real idea whether Ben Herbert is a dude or not; nobody on Earth could tell you whether or not Wright is. His bio from Arkansas sums it up:
He fits the profile of a young, hungry guy who will hang upside down like a bat if that's what's necessary to recruit, but don't confuse this with the Partridge hire. Partridge had assembled a powerhouse at Paramus Catholic (Jabrill Peppers! Rashan Gary! Other guys!) where none had previously existed. He was such a good recruiter that half of New Jersey's coach fraternity hated him. Wright may or may not work out; he is not the obviously good idea Partridge was.
[After THE JUMP: Jim McElwain 2.0?]
cameo time
Michigan's other hire is frankly weird. It's a familiar name to anyone who's watched a metric ton of college football. A question we have all asked is "Is that Bob Shoop?" A statement quickly followed by that question: "Huh, I thought he was at [School X]."
This is because Shoop is a well-travelled defensive coordinator. He's been a college DC since 2007, when William & Mary hired him. James Franklin picked him up in 2011 while he was still at Vandy. After three years there he popped over to PSU with Franklin. Then a series of two-year tenures at PSU, Tennessee, and Mississippi State before Joe Moorhead got broomed.
That left him scrambling at the same time Michigan was scrambling post-Campanile departure. Thus a marriage of convenience based on the fact that Shoop has background with Don Brown. This is reminiscent of hiring Jim McElwain minus the shark jokes: Shoop is a coordinator-level guy who apparently does not recruit much…
On the recruiting trail, the hiring of Shoop is not expected to move the needle a ton. He finished the 2020 cycle ranked 428th in the country according to the 247Sports Composite Recruiter Rankings and finished 2019 as the 117th ranked assistant coach in the SEC according to the same metric.
…and is likely to leave as soon as someone pulls him off the retread pile. What's the point? Hiring a bonus coordinator may have made some sense under Harbaugh's offensive regime. It doesn't when Don Brown is the be-all and end-all on defense to the point where Michigan refused to hand out any frippery titles to retain Partridge/Campanile.
I dunno, maybe the combination of Brown and Shoop will be like the bit where the robots come together and make a super robot that overcomes all problems. I doubt it. Anyone who doubts the primacy of recruiting should take a gander at what happened to Michigan's DTs against quality opposition this year.
Lowballing Steve Clinkscale, who's had two excellent secondaries the past two years and is a proven A+ recruiter in the state of Michigan, looks pretty bad right now.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
I can't tell anymore when Brian is simply assuming something or actually has information that he's basing his complaints on.
"Lowballing Steve Clinkscale,"
This for example. Does Brian have a source in the AD who gave him an unbiased opinion of any offer that was made to Clinkscale? That seems like some really specific info to be giving out.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:20 AM ^
This. I mean, if it's accurate then yes let's complaint about it. But where's the confirmation this is even a thing? I think sometimes BPONE builds in negative assumptions about behind the scenes goings-on.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:50 AM ^
I think you idiots need to stop questioning everything he writes that you don't like. Of course he has sources and Sam Webb hinted at the exact same thing on his board. You don't think the two of them talk off air before during and after the wtka roundtable? This reminds me of all the people who refused to accept what he was saying about Shea Patterson not being a good QB this year. This reminds me of the times people refused to believe Brandon was a horrible AD when Brian kept writing it. You morons don't want to believe anything that has anything negative to do with UM. You just want people to tell you things to make you feel better. If Brian wrote Shoop was an awesome hire you'd love him for it. But the reality is he's Jim McElwain/Pep Hamilton on defense. Wake the fuck up.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:53 AM ^
You have serious problems. Like, need-to-see-a-psychiatrist-now problems.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
Psycho the rapist
has an opening at 2:00 this afternoon.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^
Damn dude, chill out. Why are you so mad all the time?
Relax. It's ok. It's just a game.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^
You guys. We found Brian's burner account.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
I, for one, think McElwain was a good hire. Pep might have been okay if he was just a position coach, but he wasn't.
Calling other posters idiots and morons is a fine way to make your points if you want to get banned faster this time around. Of course we call you Maizen, which is a bigger insult.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:16 AM ^
McElwain was the only guy capable of making DPJ run a good route, so I'm not sure why people think he wasn't good at his job.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
I do as well. It looked like the recievers ran better routes when he was here. Not every assistant coaching hire is an existential crisis.
As to Tank? Let's give him a chance. Would I have preferred to have kept partridge? Hell yes! Was that an option? Likley not. Are there other partridge guys just sitting on a shelf waiting for us to get them? Ummm. No.
January 17th, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^
"Pep might have been okay if he was just a position coach but he wasn't"
Why are so many people committed to the lie that Hamilton was the offensive coordinator?
January 17th, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^
He was the passing coordinator and shared some OC duties. Pep wasn't paid $1M/yr just to be a position coach.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:15 AM ^
When will points start working again? And can we have negative points work into an automatic ban for a few weeks?
January 17th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
Wake up, sheeple!
Rational thought at its finest.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
Fake Section 1 calls other people with opinions “you idiots” in his opinion.
Okay, cool, Hook ‘em.
January 17th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
You seem to relish in only negative and can put a negative spin on anything Michigan does. Go crawl back under a rock and keep your miserable existence to yourself
January 17th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^
Please leave. Nobody likes you and your deranged shrieking makes this place worse. I can have a conversation with someone who's critical of the program and sane. You are not that.
January 17th, 2020 at 1:20 PM ^
Any chance he can become more of an Ed W?
January 17th, 2020 at 1:23 PM ^
I completely concur with what you are saying. People on here call you out if you complain about the program. Something is wrong with this program that no one wants to talk about. I’m sorry but results on the field speak for themselves.
January 17th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
reminds me of the times people refused to believe Brandon was a horrible AD when Brian kept writing it
From about the end of the 2012 season and onward, I don't remember many people defending Brandon, on message boards or in the stands. If Brian was a whole 6 to 12 months quicker than us identifying that Dave Brandon was a shitnozzle, we can all chip in and buy him an ice cream cake from Kroger or something.
January 17th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^
Brian used the term "pimp hand" to describe Brandon as late as early 2012. He was not ahead on anything. He usually isn't.
January 17th, 2020 at 9:48 PM ^
You need to calm down.
You're being too loud.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:02 PM ^
You are absolutely wrong about what Webb's said. Like not in the same ball park, just making stuff up wrong.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
Agreed. It's too bad really. I almost wonder if Brian would even watch or listen to Michigan football if it wasn't his job. And, honestly, not watching is sometimes the rational choice.
There are people on here, Maizen clones, who just spew vitriol and unhappiness.
Good rule of thumb; if you find yourself pounding out insults and invective on a message board you're probably making a bad use of your time. If Michigan football makes you that unhappy, stop watching.
I don't follow the Lions anymore. It's okay to move on. Being a fan of a team is supposed to be fun.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^
Let's see the sourcing on this claim Brian.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:28 AM ^
There is no evidence in the previous 5 years that if Harbaugh really wanted a guy that they would low ball him.
It's more likely it was the Campy timeline that screwed things up or Harbaugh and Clink didn't click. Just because guys don't mesh 100% doesn't mean either guy is bad or has a problem. It is a wise decision not to force the hire.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:47 AM ^
My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that the Kentucky guy is an ace recruiter because he plays fast and loose with the rules and Harbaugh isn't having any of that.
That makes a ton more sense than Michigan not paying someone. That hasn't been the MO since Harbaugh has been here. In fact, they tend to overpay for assistants.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
This board is a great read if you love fiction. LMFAO
January 17th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
No one here, even you, knows exactly what happened. Stop acting like you do.
At least the other folks posting are saying "it's just a guess but ... "
January 17th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
Hey pal. Where are you based? Do you need some friends? If you're in the Midwest--and it would lead to a reduction in your posts--I'll grab a beer with you. Worried about you!
January 17th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^
Thanks for taking one for the team. I am a midwesterner and agree. He can drink with you. I'm not meeting that guy.
January 17th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^
Seconded. Make sure he takes his meds, too, please.
January 17th, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^
hold up on that. the meds and the beer might be a worse combination.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:09 AM ^
Definitely not the case lol
January 17th, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^
I mean, it's almost too obvious that Clinkscale does things JH won't, rather than that the team that paid Drev&Pep $MILLIONS penny-pinched, isn't it?
So, now we have Brian's ennui about the general trajectory of the INDUSTRY he has chosen to make his living covering & commenting on and UM's place in it (including the issues behind getting the players paid rather than the blazer-wearers).
Combine this with MaizeOn1's seething rage that Michigan won't (hasn't, doesn't, can't - pick one) play the crootin game the way the CFP perennials do. This person - or cadre of persons - have made it beyond clear they don't care about any rules, standards or perceived higher mission UM may feel they need to adhere to. They need to beat osu, in a very personal, self-defining way.
Put these sour-to-corrosive ingredients into a stew and serve it to M fans/alum who want to hear we're moving in the right direction to topple osu, whatcha got?
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January 17th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
Not to mention what is a 'low-ball' offer, what is a 'fair' offer, and what is 'overpaying'? Should we have offered Clinksdale $2 million? Just because he isn't coaching at Michigan doesn't mean Michigan low-balled him.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^
Yeah, I swear the only place I've seen this claimed is here. And if it's true that sucks, but the idea Michigan got cheap with their hires would go against ample evidence.
As for the whole Shoop thing leaving soon, that ... isn't bad? McElwain was a really good WR coach and that unit looked a lot better last year than this one, and while it's fun to blame it all on Patterson because he can't hurt you anymore, there were a metric ton of drops and bad route running early this year and it lingered. Also, McElwain just went 8-6 with a team that was 1-11 last year.
Anyway, I'm sure everyone will be excited by next year, but I'm sorta done with the existing mindset that everything sucks and anyone who isn't toeing that company line is an idiot.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:09 AM ^
Brian charts every play, writes thousands of words in alaysis, uses video to show what he's writing, and your dumbass still wants to put it on the WR? Seriously shut up.
And LOL if you think McElwain was some amazing WR coach. He was so good UM's two starters transfered in the offseason right? He was so good he signed which recruits again? I'm not sure if you noticed but this program doesn't need a one year stop gap from an assistant that won't recruit they need fucking talent. Something our coach doesn't seem to grasp hence why OSU will have 5-6 day 1 and 2 draft picks and we will have maybe 1 if we're lucky.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
You can keep complimenting Brian all you want ..... he's not going to sleep with you.
Simp
January 17th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^
Stop using "We", "us", etc. You are not a part of the program and they don't want you.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
Oh Shawn, you sad little person.
I have taken Brian to task for some of his WR grading this year; he has often framed a ball a WR drops as "uncatchable" when it hits them in the hands and a defender is nearby. That feels...subjective to me for 5* players, but whatever. It's a point of contention. It will shock you to learn that people can disagree. I thought both Black and DPJ regressed this year, Black in part because of injuries and DPJ because he struggled, yet again, to get consistent separation and hold onto the ball. By all means blame the coaches and the QB, but DPJ left his career at UM with 1 game with more than 1 TD and 0 games of 100 yards of more receiving. Hell, he cracked 85 yards once.
As for McElwain, I assume you're referring to Crawford (who transferred before he arrived AFAIK) and Martin, who barely played at Iowa and had been passed by a number of younger guys at UM. If you are going to assume every coach who has players transfer in the general vicinity of them are bad, then by all means by dumb.
The rest of your post is the same stupid shit you say because you can't form rational thoughts, so have at it. The nice thing is that with the handy-dandy troll cave feature, you can go back to screaming into the void.
January 17th, 2020 at 12:01 PM ^
if only the troll cave worked on mobile
January 17th, 2020 at 12:04 PM ^
Section 1 and all his other accounts is weird, he comments the same thing endlessly....but you guys who attack him and say he is mentally ill, or call him by his name, or call his sad or pathetic are equally weird. Just ignore him, or reply seriously.
January 17th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^
He's gone into the troll cave for me so I don't need to deal with him, but I'm also going to push back a bit on the "just ignore him" line. He doesn't need to start calling people names and generally being an asshole, and the fact he keeps creating accounts here after being banned may be a cry for help but it's just as likely he just likes to yell at people and complain.
I'll be honest - it takes me some time to figure out it's the same guy. This place has an issue with the couple of angry people dominating the conversation at times, and so they all fall into the same stew at times. I did respond, both here and elsewhere, with measured-ish responses to his questions. The fact his response is always a combination of dubious rants and name-calling doesn't make that a "me" problem.
January 17th, 2020 at 4:08 PM ^
Do you have special UFRs that the rest of us don’t get to see? Because Brian most definitely does not post charting of at least one and often more games a year.
January 17th, 2020 at 10:38 AM ^
Or he could be operating off the assumption that this was THE guy they should have gotten (in his mind) and paid through the nose to get him? Not getting him means they weren’t willing to get him something he wanted?
January 17th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^
You mean like how Harbaugh forgot to coach due to CTE?
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