Derrick Walton Is Weird, The Chart Comment Count

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[Left: Bryan Fuller | Right: Joseph Dressler]

Brian brought up Derrick Walton's unusual statistical profile in his Maryland column today. It's not the first time we've noted Walton is far from a traditional point guard. He rebounds like a center, snipes spot-up three-pointers, lets his teammates handle much of the distribution, and generally makes himself impossible to compare to other players his size.

As we discussed Walton's lack of comparable players in the MGoSlack chat, our own Alex Cook decided to harness the power of Excel to find other recent Big Ten players with Walton's combination of rebounding and outside shooting acumen. The results are of the "holy $#^%" variety:


Parameters: >30% min, >15% usage, >20% 3PA/FGA

Walton is the only player to post even a 10% defensive rebound rate while making over half his three-point attempts—and he's at 21.6%. The other players in similar rebounding/shooting territory:

  • 6'9", 232-pound Christian Watford, the stretch four on Indiana's outstanding 2013 squad.
  • 6'10", 245-pound Goran Suton, the center on MSU's 2009 Final Four squad. Walton has already attempted more threes than Suton did that season.
  • 7'0", 242-pound Frank Kaminsky, center of last year's Wisconsin team that knocked off then-undefeated Kentucky.
  • 6'7", 230-pound Draymond Green, the KenPom Player of the Year that season who's now helping revolutionize the game for Golden State due to his versatility and ability to play bigger than his size.

Derrick Walton, it should be noted, is 6'1", 190. He's not a normal point guard, and that sometimes hurts Michigan, but he's quite literally a unique talent, and Michigan has been able to surround him with players who mitigate his lack of point-guardness, if you'll allow me to make up a word. While it would be nice to see him finish more at the rim, Walton's shooting is taking pressure off the wings, and his rebounding is a huge help to the bigs; there's not another player in the country like him.

Comments

julesh

January 13th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^

I remember commenting to my dad last year before Walton was injured just how good he is at rebounding. And it seems like he's gotten even better.

Jonesy

January 13th, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^

I think a lot of this has to do with scheme, starting last year it appears that Beilein has the bigs box out and then Walton flies down for the rebound.  Sure he's good at doing that but I don't think his dreb rate would be anywhere near as high anywhere else.

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 4:35 PM ^

Donnal has a defensive rebound rate of 18%. For reference, Morgan was at 19% his senior year. It's unclear anything has changed scheme-wise. 

That whole scheme-meme comes from Doyle - who is just flat-out a terrible rebounder (12% DRB rate).  If it was about scheme, he wouldn't be the only one.  Bielfeldt and Donnal last year were far better than Doyle at this.

So, while I agree you have a point about scheme playing a part in this I think it's more about the 4 than the 5.  Michigan still wants it's 5 to rebound, they just aren't very good at it. Walton happens to be so he fills the needed void.

Spontaneous Co…

January 13th, 2016 at 5:08 PM ^

I believe as the rotation gets settled, everyone will play better because everyone will have a better understanding of what they need to do to increase the chances of winning.  Because we don't win games with one on one athletic superiority, we win with execution, I think it takes us longer to figure out what is going to be reliable.  Once you know what you can rely on, then you can gameplan a lot better.   Our post play and defense may not improve a lot, but if the team can learn how to execute Beilein's offensive system against good defenses, we will be fine.  And fun to watch.

yoshfriedman

January 13th, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^

But having met Walton a number of times and being a clean 6'1" myself, Derrick Walton is NOT 6'1". He's lucky if he's 6' even.

This can, should and does make him even weirder. Hail Beilein.

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 4:38 PM ^

Almost everybody's height is exaggerated by 2 to 3 inches or more.  Look at any NBA draft combine listing and you see 'real' heights w/o shoes are totally different than listed heights.  Except for super-tall dudes like Kevin Garnett (who didn't want to be 7' because he wanted to be a PF) or super-short dudes like Mugsey Bouges (what's the point of pretending) heights are overstated.

isai

January 13th, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^

My only issue is he seems to play with an inconsistent intensity level on both side of the ball.  I find myself wondering how good he could be if he brings every game or even the majority of games.   Hopefully, it will all click for him.

Alumnus93

January 13th, 2016 at 3:52 PM ^

His long lost lookalike uncle,  NFL union guy Demaurice Smith, would approve.   (someone please post a photo here)

trueblueintexas

January 13th, 2016 at 4:20 PM ^

The truth is Walton is not a point guard. He is a two guard in a point guard body. He does not have the elite ball skills or vision of a true point guard. He does have a good jumper and ability to find open space for his shot. That is one of the reasons Rahk, Irvin and LeVert often bring the ball up court, they are all about equal with their handle.

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 4:47 PM ^

He is a PG who just happens to to be really good at rebounding.  He is 12th in the Big Ten in assists per game.  He isn't as good as LeVert with the ball but he runs the offense effectively and without turning the ball over much, like all Michigan PGs. 

Rhak per 100 possessions: 3.0 assists

Irvin per 100 possessions: 6.4 assists

Walton per 100 possessions: 7.7 assists

Alberches (last year) per 100 possessions: 8.0 assists

Dakich per 100 possessions: 8.4 assists

 

In reply to by Lanknows

trueblueintexas

January 13th, 2016 at 8:47 PM ^

Don't get me wrong, I like Walton, but his strength and skill set is not that of a high level point guard. His skills and playing style are more in line with being a good two guard. Pulling up assist stats doesn't prove anything. Denzel Valentine leads his team in assists, is he a point guard? I could argue that being twelfth in the B1G (not the country, the B1G) is proof he is not a top level point guard. A top level point guard would typically be top five in their conference in assists.

Lanknows

January 14th, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^

People said the same about Trey Burke.  Walton's not as good as Burke, but being a good shooter doesn't preclude you from being a point guard.  You'd think Steph Curry would change a few minds on this front.

Walton's not Darius Morris in terms of passing ability (neither was Trey) but he's a good passer.  He's an excellent ball-handler. He rarely turns it over. He pushes the fast break aggressively. In short- he manages the PG position very very well.

What he isn't great at is running the pick and roll.  Part of that is that our centers are terrible.  Part of it is that Caris and Stauskas are better players. 

Valentine is the lead ball-handler on MSU, that doesn't mean Tum Tum is not a PG.

Richard75

January 15th, 2016 at 9:10 AM ^

I think what trueblue is trying to say is that a PG is someone whose passing and driving powers the offense. (Irrespective of whether he can also score himself, like Curry.) Walton isn't really that kind of player.

He isn't a pick-and-roll PG or a drive-and-draw guy. What he does is run the break (which he is good at), spot-up shoot and get assists off swinging the ball on the perimeter. The fact that Albrecht and Dakich had/have better assist rates tells you all you need to know.



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wahooverine

January 13th, 2016 at 4:46 PM ^

During Walton's promising freshman year he did show an ability to drive and finish at the hoop. Where did that go?  I'm curious if his injury sapped some of his confidence in that department or if the spacing provided by Hardaway, Staustkas, Robinson etc. gave him more open lanes.  You think with the snipers we have this year he'd have the same opportunities.  He really is good at running the break and finding shooters in transition.  Beilein hinted during halftime that getting stops on defense enables him to run and attack an unsettled defense and "do more things" we want him to do. Hopefully as the defense improves we'll see more of that. 

pete-rock

January 13th, 2016 at 8:31 PM ^

Maybe Derrick Walton is Fat Lever reincarnated. Lever was a 6-3 guard for the Denver Nuggets in the 80s-90s who averaged 6.0 rpg over an 11-year career. He averaged 8.9 rpg over a 4-year stretch from 86-87 to 89-90. And he dished out assists. Weird and amazing.

 

Nitro

January 13th, 2016 at 8:56 PM ^

Part of this is that Walton's a terrific rebounder -- he's remarkably quick to loose balls, anticipates well, and aggressively rebounds using his body. But it's also reflective of the fact that we're not getting enough rebounding from our bigs, a decent part of which is that we just don't have enough size on the floor. We have to team rebound for boards since we're not able to effectively box out other teams' frontcourt. A lot of boards that most teams' 4s and 5s would get are there for the taking. In addition to giving up too many second chances, our need to help-rebound from the perimeter so much hurts us by limiting our ability to get into transition offense.

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