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Brian April 16th, 2021 at 12:00 PM

This year's basketball offseason is the most tumultuous in recent memory for a lot of reasons: COVID, the NCAA allowing folks an extra year of eligibility, the general trend towards transfers over the past decade, the presumption that anyone who moves will be immediately eligible. Michigan is the only Big Ten team without a player in the transfer portal.

That still didn't mean that Michigan's immediate future was easy to project. Michigan has a lot of seniors who aren't prime NBA material and might have given some thought to returning. But with Eli Brooks's return confirmed by our own Matt D, Austin Davis announcing he won't return, and Chaundee Brown, Mike Smith, and Isaiah Livers announcing for the NBA draft, we finally have enough clarity to project what Michigan's minutes are going to look like next year. (The sole remaining question for guys currently on the roster is "will Franz Wagner enter the draft?" which we're going to take for granted since he is universally projected as a first-rounder.)

This will be a briefer overview post before I re-run the Let's Start Again series.

Center

The easiest spot to project. This will be 25-30 minutes of Hunter Dickinson with freshman Moussa Diabate getting the remainder. Brandon Johns should remain as a break-glass-in-case-of-emergency option. As a reminder, we got about two games worth of Johns at center minutes last year and they went pretty well:

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Since Michigan has a lot of options at the 4, sliding Johns over on occasion should remain a viable route around foul trouble. I don't think Michigan needs to add a backup post from the portal.

FWIW, Dickinson averaged 26 minutes per game. Since Davis was a fish out of water during many of his minutes because of his lateral mobility and defensive limitations, I think it's reasonable to expect that Diabate will put more pressure on Dickinson, enough to offset his freshman-to-sophomore progression and keep his minutes relatively level.

[After THE JUMP: things get slightly murkier.]

Power Forward

Isaiah Livers's injury was tragic on many levels but it did clarify what happens when there's no Isaiah Livers around:

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Brandon Johns starts, is reasonably efficient, and picks up buckets of fouls. The above five-game stretch took him from "will he transfer?" to "he's going to start." Ace detailed the big gap between the backup, limited-minutes version of Johns and the above:

There's a lot to be said for the idea that Johns will improve with more consistent minutes. After splitting the stats, it's clear that he's better in games in which he's played more. While there are some cause/effect issues here—as a general rule, one plays more when they're playing well—the results pass the eye test. All rate stats are per 30 minutes, which is a decent approximation of what he'll play without Livers (he got 24 minutes against OSU):

 

Minutes GP Min OR/30 DR/30 A/30 TO/30 Blk/30 FC/30 2PM-2PA 3PM-3PA FTM-FTA PTS/30
10 or more 12 164 2.2 4.0 1.5 2.2 1.3 4.0 21-30
(70%)
4-7 20-24 13.5
9 or fewer 12 89 3.7 2.0 1.0 3.7 0.3 4.4 8-21
(38%)
2-7 2-2 8.1
Yes, we're working with limited sample sizes, but that's all we've got. In games Johns has played ten or more minutes, he's been much more efficient, productive, and disciplined, while also playing with greater aggression, as the huge gap in free throw numbers shows. The only area he drops off is on the offensive glass and I don't think that'll be a problem with him set to play more as the second man hitting the boards at power forward than as the only big man in small-ball lineups.

Johns looks like he should be a quality B10 4 even if he doesn't improve, so let's slot him in for 20-30 minutes. Moussa Diabate will get the rest of his minutes here and probably the large remainder of the ones Johns doesn't get.

Sophomore Terrance Williams should be the third option. Williams will benefit from Johns acting as the starter since he looked his best when Michigan was using him in high-low sets to feed Dickinson. He still needs to drastically improve his shooting if he's going to get more than spot minutes. He was a solid outside shooter in high school, FWIW.

Will Tschetter will probably redshirt, or get the kind of spot minutes that make you think the guy should probably be redshirting.

Small Forward

Also clear: five-star freshman Caleb Houstan should start and see the lion's share of minutes. Houstan is a plug-and-play shooter who will enter college as battle-tested as possible after attending Montverde the past couple years and playing on all the relevant Canadian FIBA U-whatever teams. This highlight reel of Montverde against Oak Hill only features one Houstan three but I think it's informative about the other things he brings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEo94KDllPc

He Ds up against five star junior MJ Hill a couple times and at no point gets roasted by him; he should have the lateral agility to defend small forwards. He cuts off the ball, chips in some rebounding, and acts as a secondary playmaker in PNR. Freshman Zak Irvin is probably the floor here and I'm expecting him to be more involved in shot creation than Irvin was. Houstan should be an instant 30 MPG player, because his worst-case scenario is a really good shooter on a team that needs a couple.

The other ~10 minutes are more speculative. One of the guys listed at the four could bump down for a bit, or one of Michigan's two big guards could pop up for a little while. The most likely backup here is freshman Isaiah Barnes, who may have had his rankings blowup cut off by COVID. Barnes is bouncy and shot 45% from three last year; he's only just started his senior season after transferring to Chicago power Simeon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEo94KDllPc

If the shooting holds up he should see a fair bit of PT.

Jace Howard could also be an option here. Given his recruiting rankings I'd imagine he's more of an emerge-as-an-upperclassman sort.

Guard

We're going to bunch these guys up because there are two major swing questions remaining. One: do they add someone from the portal? And two: which guy not named Eli Brooks emerges? The answers to those questions will determine how many of Eli Brooks's 30+ minutes are on-ball.

I don't think it would be a problem if the most of his were. While it occasionally felt like the offense bogged down without Mike Smith running the show, that did not pop out in the stats.

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Michigan's TO rate dipped and 2P% rose with Brooks at the point. If he ends up playing a significant amount of minutes at the 1 it'll probably be fine, especially since Michigan figures to get a lot of shot generation out of the post next year.

So we're agnostic about whether a portal addition plays PG or SG. Despite that expanded base it doesn't seem like Michigan has been particularly active in seeking guys out. Marcus Carr was briefly mentioned and Jacob Young's name has been floated out there, but Carr is reportedly leaning to Kentucky or the NBA and I'm not sure Young is an upgrade on Michigan's already-extant options. 

Those options include Frankie Collins, Kobe Bufkin, and Zeb Jackson. Jackson is the only one with college experience but looked a fairly long way away from being a guy you can rely on for major minutes last year. Collins and Bufkin are both incoming freshmen ranked around 50th, which is certainly a spot you can find a big-minutes starter. (See: Hunter Dickinson.)

Time for random guessing: Jackson emerges into a plus defender and hits some shots for 10 MPG and the two freshmen split the remaining 40 down the middle.

In a nutshell

C: Dickinson 25, Diabate 15
PF: Johns 25, Diabate 10, Williams 5
SF: Houstan 30, Barnes 10
SG: Brooks 10, Bufkin 20, Jackson 10
PG: Brooks 20, Collins 20

Deeper bench: Tschetter, Nunez, Howard

Comments

nerv

April 16th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^

I agree with you on Zeb. I think he is going to surprise some people with his development and the opportunity is there for him.

Opportunity is the issue that Williams is going to run into. He is just so similar to Johns in his play style that unless one of them really improves as a distance shooter playing them at the 3 and 4 together likely destroys spacing and efficiency. Then you have Diabate who is special and will get his minutes. Williams will likely get his best opportunities when Hunter has foul trouble.

BuddhaBlue

April 16th, 2021 at 7:04 PM ^

FYI second youtube link is the same as the first one (Houstan)

I also worked out something similar - it only makes sense based on what we know now. Going ten deep is based on potential, bc so much is unknown as to the young players. Things will no doubt tighten up but watching it and the team develop throughout the schedule will make for another fun season. 

MaizeBlueA2

April 16th, 2021 at 8:41 PM ^

...I still think we find a grad transfer to start, but for now...

 

PG: Collins (25), Brooks (15)

SG: Brooks (18), Jackson (12), Bufkin (10)

SF: Houstan (30), Williams (5), Barnes (5)

PF: Johns (13), Diabate (18), Williams (9)

C: Dickinson (28), Johns (12)

 

Brooks: 33 mpg

Houstan: 30 mpg

Dickinson: 28 mpg

Johns: 25 mpg

Collins: 25 mpg

Diabate: 18 mpg

Williams: 14 mpg

Jackson: 12 mpg

Bufkin: 10 mpg

Barnes: 5 mpg

...that's a 9 man rotation with Barnes getting the rest of the minutes.

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And in 2022...

PG: Collins (30), *McDaniel (10)

SG: Jackson (25), *JeHoward (8), Bufkin (7)

SF: Williams (12), *Glenn (18), Bufkin (5), Barnes (5)

PF: Diabate (30), Williams (10)

C: *Clingan (25), *Grad Transfer (15)

 

Collins: 30 mpg

Diabate: 30 mpg

Jackson: 25 mpg

*Clingan: 25 mpg

Williams: 22 mpg

*Glenn: 18 mpg

*Grad Transfer: 15 mpg

Bufkin: 12 mpg

*McDaniel: 10 mpg

*Je. Howard: 8 mpg

Barnes: 5 mpg

NCBlue22

April 16th, 2021 at 8:32 PM ^

UM has had a minutes dominant starting point guard ever since the sophomore year of Darius Morris in ‘10-‘11 and so it just seems strange to see a timeshare there.  Could happen, but personally I feel like Collins is going to be the guy.  Really just a gut feeling from reading about him and watching tape.  Seems like Brooks, Dickinson, and Houstan are locks for 30+.  There are typically only 7 guys with more than 15, so I guess my picks would be Collins, Diabate, Johns, then take your pick of Bufkin, Barnes, or Jackson.  Think Williams will be man 9-10 for certain matchups or foul trouble.  

gasbro

April 19th, 2021 at 12:42 AM ^

Agree with Collins getting the bulk of run at the PG. His film (and that of other incoming fresh in the top rated class) is tantalizing. Don’t think it will be like recent years past when players take awhile to come along. Things will be different with top players coming in next year, and it seems like that will be the future with Juwan, thank the sports loving god. I do think you want at least an 8 man rotation to have backups at the guard, wing, and post. Obviously, Brooks, Dickinson and Johns will get big minutes (though Diabate could overtake Johns I think). Then I would think Collins and Houstan get starters minutes, with Diabate also getting to 20 or more minutes pretty soon backing up the 4 and 5. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bufkin gets more backup guard minutes than Jackson. Lastly there are likely backup wing minutes up for grabs among Williams, Barnes, and less likely some of the others. 

M-Dog

April 16th, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^

I'm less comfortable not having an actual backup C for foul-trouble reasons. 

We all know how you have those nights in the Big Ten where the refs are whistle happy and are putting guys like HD on the bench early.  If a high-quality F is your backup C, you risk losing him as well to foul trouble at 2 positions on those kind of nights.

 

AC1997

April 16th, 2021 at 10:27 PM ^

I just don't agree with the Brooks on ball numbers.  That's not what I watched all year.  My theory?  When Smith was on the bench they let Wagner drive the offense, not Brooks.  There is not a Wagner on the team next year.  

I think we can live with a few minutes of Brooks at PG per game but not as a primary option.  

AC1997

April 17th, 2021 at 12:34 PM ^

Here's the other problem reading into these hoop lens data splits.  Even with those samples, Eli is still only about 15% of our minutes at PG.  Not only is it hard to know whether he's getting a boost from Franz or Hunter in those minutes, he also isn't getting penalized for the minutes he didn't play when he was hurt.  We lost two games without Eli playing, including an ugly blowout.  That means everyone else's numbers are dragged down by those games but Eli's aren't.  

 

I think he will be great next year and solves some of our issues.....buy he is who he is.  He's a mediocre PG who we want to limit to 10-15 minutes and a plus shooting guard that will be a great defender and shooter.  We need him and he will be a great mentor to the young guys.  Just don't pretend that he's suddenly a good in ball player because of hoop lens.  

Michigan4Life

April 17th, 2021 at 12:15 AM ^

Caleb Houstan has an average athleticism so my biggest concern for him is guarding athletic SF. He's good at off the ball and rotation on defense which is a plus. He's more of a PF having to play up a position due to roster construction. It'd be interesting to see how Juwan will distribute minutes next season. Eli and Dickinson are locks for big minutes at the moment.