Sam Webb has a new "gut feeling" re: D-line starters

Submitted by SAMgO on

His ever-reliable "gut feeling" on Week 1 starters as it stands:

Ones: Gary - Wormley - Glasgow - Taco

Twos: Marshall - Hurst - Mone - Winovich

Bodogblog

June 15th, 2016 at 9:34 AM ^

Gut feeling from Webb is very reliable, as the poster states above.  He only says this when he knows.  Has to a be a coach or someone very reliable who's said this.  Remember Gary spent his spring break in Ann Arbor.  Don't know if he was able to contact coaches during that peirod, but he may have been working out at the facility. 

In any case, it could just be a coach talking about how good Gary is, how much they like him, so good in fact that they've penciled him in as the Day 1 starter.  Yes if he's beaten out during practice, he won't start.  That's obvious. 

DrMantisToboggan

June 15th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^

If Sam said it, then someone who knows told him. That's just how he operates.

 

This could be just as much of a reflection on where they like Wormley/Hurst as it is Gary. If DB really wants Wormley at 3tech and he's better than Hurst, then Worm kicks inside and you need a starter at Anchor. Now it's Gary v. Lo Marshall & Chase Winovich which is as poor of a matchup as our game against jet lagged Hawaii in week 1.

Ratterman

June 15th, 2016 at 11:05 AM ^

I think DrMantis is on the right track.  If Sam got intel about Wormley being a 3tech, then there are some fairly logical conclusions you can make to come up with a "gut feeling" about what that means for the rest of the two deep.  Or maybe Doc Brown gave him the keys to the Delorean and Sam has already seen what happens in fall camp.

CorkyCole

June 15th, 2016 at 1:48 PM ^

Regardless, they still have plans for their incoming freshmen before they arrive. They have a pretty good idea of how talented they are, and for the most part use fall camp to test that knowledge/verify their assumptions. Yes, every position is under fire, but that doesn't mean they go into fall camp blind as to what they'd like to accomplish. Harbaugh prepares for everything - You know their depth chart is always current and edited as no information comes in regardless of the time of year.

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 15th, 2016 at 8:25 AM ^

Hmmm...Gary already starting? I mean it could definitely happen but seems weird before he even steps on campus. I would think a Wormley-Hurst-Glasgow-Taco line would put the best combo of talent and experience on the field.



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IndyBlue90

June 15th, 2016 at 9:09 AM ^

My thoughts on this are that It will provide depth and possibly maximize talent. First of all This allows them to go two deep with A quality lines, rather than go A+, B+. Secondly, I believe Wormley has added some weight since last season and may provide the most upside at the 3 Tech, as opposed to SDE. Secondly, it's possible that the skillsets of Glasgow/Wormley and Mone/Hurst match the best. It kind of makes sense to me to pair Hurst with the most stout guy, which is probably Mone. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 15th, 2016 at 9:39 AM ^

Yeah, I don't think the 'staters' mean much. There's going to be heavy rotation on the DL like all elite defenses. Having basically a two deep of starters is key. If Henry stayed, UM would definitely have that and possibly the best DL in the nation. As it is, still pretty damn good, and could be elite. I think a lot depends on how Gary, Winovich, and Lawrence come through.



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DrMantisToboggan

June 15th, 2016 at 8:27 AM ^

Gary would have a nice soft 3 games to get his feet under him as a starter before Penn State rolls into town...so a nice soft 4 games to get his feet under him.

Looks like we basically have 6 dudes that could start on any team anywhere, and 2 backup ends that we know nothing about. The ability to truly rotate two full lines is totally predicated on how Marshall and Winovich have developed.

PopeLando

June 15th, 2016 at 10:51 AM ^

The fact that PSU (fuck Penn State) is breaking in a new QB could conceivably be a positive thing for them. Hackenberg was... Hackenberg, and if he wasn't concussed for half of the game this year then I'm not sure wtf was going on. Hard to imagine things being worse for them. Of course, I hope we show them no mercy.

LKLIII

June 15th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^

Not to hijack this thread, but how PSU could convince any hot shot quarterback to go to Penn State after seeing how they utterly destroyed Hackenberg is beyond me.  I mean, you could say the same about how we did Gardner such a disservice, but in our case we replaced the roller coaster with a head coach who is known as a QB guru.

evenyoubrutus

June 15th, 2016 at 8:27 AM ^

TBH the most encouraging thing about this is that Marshall actually makes an appearance. We badly need some younger guys stepping up on the line because 2017 is going to be scary thin.

CorkyCole

June 15th, 2016 at 1:53 PM ^

He had a conversation 1-on-1 with Lawrence Marshall, and he made it clear that he's known him since his Sophomore year of high school.

Essentially Sam threw out a comment to Marshall about how he looks different or something like that, referring to his weight gain (up to 270+). Marshall then proceeded to say something like "yeah, but that's not all that's changed. I'm a grown man now" - again, not referring to weight but maturity.

Sam said he could tell that something was different about Marshall with how he talked as if he learned from what put him in the dog house.  I'm guessing that the "Marshall on two-deep" bit actually came from the coaches or he wouldn't have used the "gut feeling" on that one. Sounds like the coaches are seeing a difference in him as well.

LKLIII

June 15th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^

And we can at the very least trust Sam will try to preserve his own professional reputation.

He's a Michigan homer, but I think the reason a lot of people like him is he doesn't go too far out on limbs to the point where his credibilty comes into question.  His "gut feelings" are his trademark.  Leaves a bit of wiggle room, but usually I interpret that to mean, "barring something truly unforeseen happening, this is happening."

 

 

ldevon1

June 15th, 2016 at 8:51 AM ^

Gary is the type of player a coach (even Harbaugh) guarantees a starting job to, at least until he plays himself out of it, and all the other guys started last year. I bet if you put you mind to it you could name the stating backfield (except QB) receivers, TE, guards, and corners. It's not that hard. 

wahooverine

June 15th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^

It's not that hard to believe. As pointed out in his recruiting roundup, Gary's NFL combine equivalent measurables were all better than DL's, DE's and even LB's were who invited to the NFL combine and drafted- as a high school JUNIOR. He's already the size he needs to be and he's a freak athlete.

LKLIII

June 15th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^

Plus--and I'm no expert so football gurus please correct me on this if I'm wrong--I don't think the D-Line is nearly as difficult to learn compared to O-Line.  

Granted, I'm sure there are different blitz packages to earn and the like, but it seems to me a good percentage of D-Line is geared towards in-the-moment reactions and techniques to how the O-Linemen are blocking.  It's more instinct & reacting (and therefore easier for a young player to pick up assuming the physical talent & techniques are already there) compared to the O-Line.  Less of a strict playbook to memorize so less risk that "mental mistakes" would keep a kid off the field compared to the O-Line.

DrMantisToboggan

June 15th, 2016 at 8:57 AM ^

What is "one of the best" vs. what is "respectable"? Is Ohio University respectable? Winovich would definitely start at Ohio.

 

Look, he and Lo might end up being fine, but Chase is 6'3 & 250lbs and has played 3 different positions before switching to DE 3 months ago. Marshall has had to go through drastic weight gains while working his way out of Jim's doghouse and looking extremely mediocre in the few snaps he got last year. They might progress into reliable backups this year, but to say they could go and start anywhere other than very low level D1 schools based on the evidence we have is irresponsible. They wouldnt crack the 3 deep at Bama. We just don't know anything about their ability to play DE at this level yet.