OT: Kyler Murray leaving Texas A&M, second QB to transfer
Texas A&M has lost two starting QBs to transfer in the past couple of weeks. This time it's their All-SEC bluechip freshman Kyler Murray.
Texas fans were hoping for him and Zach Gentry last year and came up empty handed.
Some grad transfer is gonna luck out and start from day 1 there. What the hell is going on down there?
A&M has lost 4 QBs to transfer since 2012.
.@TexAgs reports that QB Kyler Murray intends to transfer from Texas A&M. Early favorite to pick him up has to be Texas.
— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) December 16, 2015
December 16th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^
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December 16th, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^
Man I'll pass on Kyler Murrary. While he may be OK, you unfortunately get his dad as part of the package. And his dad is apparently the one behind a lot of the in-season drama between Kyler and Kyle.
He'll wind up at some place like Texas Tech or LSU. I doubt Charlie Strong wants to take that mess of problems on to his sinking ship.
December 16th, 2015 at 8:18 PM ^
December 16th, 2015 at 3:15 PM ^
Is turning out to be more than a college town's name with everyone leaving.
More like it's the name of the local Bus or Train Station.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^
Come on down.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^
What the hell is Sumlin doing?
December 16th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^
Word down there is that he has some Sark-type issues. Failing to retain two underclassmen stud QBs in one year doesn't help.
December 16th, 2015 at 4:12 PM ^
That could be a number of things:
- faux enthusiasm
- trying to be Pete Carrol, Jr.
- divorce
- drinking
I'm guessing you mean that last one, but can you clarify?
December 16th, 2015 at 5:25 PM ^
There was a video that leaked of Sumlin getting helped back into his hotel room from a drinking session during a coaches convention.
Obivously he has every right to get shit faced especially during his off time at some convention.
I don't think that is the problem. There are rumors floating around that the NFL is interested in hiring him... On top of that, he promised Kyler Murray's dad that he would start... as it turns out Murray wasn't that much better than Allen so Allen got the nod.
Overbearing parents + fake promises + NFL rumors = transfers.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^
December 16th, 2015 at 4:32 PM ^
Lots of people assumed Herman was waiting out the Texas job. Personally, I think he's got a much better shot at getting the A&M job first. The Aggies are paying Sumlin a lot of money ($5M/per) to go 7-5 and have a completely disfunctional offense.
December 16th, 2015 at 9:35 PM ^
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December 16th, 2015 at 3:19 PM ^
Maybe Sumlin only works well with QBs who are arrogant, entitled, rich, out of control jerks?
December 16th, 2015 at 3:21 PM ^
December 16th, 2015 at 4:40 PM ^
But he's sorted out his problems, at least.
December 16th, 2015 at 10:32 PM ^
December 16th, 2015 at 3:36 PM ^
i find manziel entertaining but that dudes a mess - im sure many watched it / posted about it but i saw footage of manziel autographing $100 bills before his last game and then smashing a tablet on the sideline after tossing a pick.
re kyler murray - that kid can play, some team will obviously get a huge upgrade at QB
December 16th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^
and if he doesnt sign the money then it's "Johnny Manziel doesn't sign autograph for fans." He threw a pick and got pissed at himself. Aaron Rodgers throws a pick and throws the Surface on the ground and it's passion. Tom Brady cusses like no one is watching and it's passion. Johnny Manziel slams it on his head and he's a mess.
Seriously, this is what your gripe is? Get over it.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:52 PM ^
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December 16th, 2015 at 8:07 PM ^
1968 Susan Sarandon?
December 16th, 2015 at 3:44 PM ^
Kenny Trill- Could he transfer back to A&M and be eligible immediately? Or does just being enrolled at TCU make him ineligible. I know it sounds dumb to even ask. But it's an enertaining idea
December 16th, 2015 at 3:20 PM ^
Both starting QBs left? I know Sumlin had a meeting with Kyler and his dad, so I guess that did not go well. Sumlin was an LB at Purdue. Does Purdue reach out to a former alum to come home if this is it down at A&M?
December 16th, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^
At some point you have to wonder if Sumlin can even coach, right? He stepped in at Houston after Art Briles (a guy who turns out is pretty damn good at building programs) and guided a team lead by Houston's best QB since Andre Ware to a solid four year. Well, a solid three years and a notable 5-7 exception when Keenum suffered an early season ending injury.
He then goes to A&M where he is blessed with a Heisman caliber QB and a line loaded with NFL talent. He has one great year followed by a good year and a couple meh years despite tremendous recruiting.
It's a pretty fair question at this point. Can Sumlin coach? Now, if I'm Purdue and Sumlin gets run out of A&M after next season, I'm taking a shot on him, but it would no longer be a slam dunk. He could just as easily be Purdue's Ron Zook.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:37 PM ^
No, you don't have to wonder. He took a 3-star QB and turned him into a Heisman winner who is now failing in the NFL. He took a mediocre Houston program and had two double-digit winning seasons, including a 12-1 year in his fourth season. This isn't Brady Hoke watching a program decline the longer he's in charge. This is a guy who's been 71-32 in his career, who has ups and downs at a program in a powerful conference. Maybe he's not Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, but he can definitely coach.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^
Oh please. He did not turn Manziel into a Heisman winner. Anyone that watched him play could tell he had tremendous college QB skills. He starred as a RS-freshman in his first year in Sumlin's system after sitting behind an NFL first rounder the year before. It's ridiculous to claim that Sumlin turned Manziel into anything.
He didn't take over a mediocre Houston program. He took over a program that had been mediocre that Art Briles turned around into a conference champion. Crediting Sumlin with Houston's success is a little like crediting Miami's last national title to Larry Coker.
If A&M drops to 5-7 next year doesn't his time there look exactly like Brady Hoke's? Great first year followed by dwindling returns? Check. Great recruiting rankings that don't seem to manifest itself on the field? Check. Failing to really be competitive in a tough division? Check.
Sumlin has an admirable record. He's also stepped into two damn good situations. It's noticeable that the three years he wasn't blessed with a great college QB his record was 5-7, 8-5, and 8-4. Not all that great. It's pretty reasonable to wonder if he's a good head coach.
December 16th, 2015 at 4:50 PM ^
At the very least, I think we can all agree that he's not worth $5M a year. Dude is the second highest paid coach in the SEC behind Saban. That's bananas.
December 16th, 2015 at 5:52 PM ^
Well, he didn't play before Sumlin, and he hasn't done anything post-Sumlin. So I would say that SOMEONE helped him become a Heisman winner. But if you don't think that the guy who had Case Keenum throwing for 5,000+ yards a season deserves any credit, then I guess that's up to you.
Art Briles had an overall losing record until late in his fourth year at Houston, which ended up being a 10-4 season. Then he went 8-4 and left for Baylor. That's not exactly a powerhouse of a team. Sumlin had more wins than Briles in one fewer year at Houston.
Also, Texas A&M was not a "damn good" situation. They were 4-8, 6-7, 9-4, and 7-6 in the previous four years.
So...when a QB-dependent system doesn't have a good QB, you have to suffer through 8-5, 8-4, and 5-7 seasons. How terrible! The Cougars fans must have been so disappointed in their historically badass team that suddenly muddled through a 5-7 year. And it's a good thing that someone, like, say, Urban Meyer never had any 8-5 or 9-4 seasons at a powerhouse like Florida.
...wait...what's that? He did? Hmph. I guess we should question whether he's a good coach or not.
December 16th, 2015 at 8:50 PM ^
That SOMEONE helping him into his Heisman year was one of the best offensive lines i've seen in the past 20 years!
December 16th, 2015 at 9:00 PM ^
Riiiiiiiiiight...so...the head coach had nothing to do with the QB play or the offensive line play. Of the 22 starting positions on offense and defense, we've now eliminated 6 positions from having anything to do with the head coach. Which other positions should we remove entirely from having any association with the head coach?
December 16th, 2015 at 10:38 PM ^
So let me get this straight, Art Briles' history at Baylor of taking a worse program than Houston and building it into a national powerhouse is no indication of the state he left the Houston program in, but Jonny Manziel's struggles at a different level of football for a shit organization is evidence that he had to be created by someone? Some logic you have there. Oh, and by the way, Manziel and Case Keenum both won games on Sunday. Seems they both might be pretty talented.
You also clearly know nothing about or are just chosing to ignore the state of A&M the last couple years under Sherman. His last year was an incredible under achievment with a team that started the year in the top 10. There was tons of talent. Much like Brady Hoke, anyone stepping into that program in year 1 was going to have a ton of success.
But I guess we should all just accept that you're the ultimate arbiter of college coaching ability. I mean, you are a high school football coach. None of us can really speak on your level...
December 16th, 2015 at 10:57 PM ^
Art Briles did a fine job at Houston and Baylor. That doesn't mean that Kevin Sumlin just rode Briles's coattails and didn't contribute anything in four years. Do you think Houston's program just ran itself on autopilot for four seasons?
Yes, Texas A&M had talent. There's no denying that. Nowhere have you seen me suggest that they lacked talent. But lots of teams have talent that has yet to be recognized. Ohio State was a talented team in 2011, but that didn't stop them from having a mediocre season. BUT THAT'S THE POINT. Ohio State didn't have a competent head coach in 2011 (as well as having other distractions), but they had one in 2010 and another in 2012. Amazingly, the talented players won games when they had good coaches. Coincidence?
Sumlin took that talent, and he actually DID SOMETHING with it. But because the team was "talented", your conclusion is to question whether he can coach? How does that make sense on any level? Isn't the job of a coach to develop talent and to win games? To prove that he can coach, does he have to cut all the talented players and win 12 games with the Little Giants crew?
And, amazingly, you end this here edition of your argument by insinuating that I'm acting like a know-it-all because I'm a coach. Yet you are standing diametrically opposed to my argument, assuming that your argument holds true because...why exactly? I mean, I'm not insisting that I'm right any more than you're insisting that you're right. I haven't said anything in this discussion about me being a coach (until a couple sentences ago).
But I guess we should all just accept that you're the ultimate arbiter of college coaching ability. I mean, you are a guy on the internet. None of us can really speak on your level...
December 16th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^
Thank god you posted this. I was going to wonder for at least 6 or 7 hours tonight. Even more this weekend. With these solid points now I can get some yard work done. It's ok guys, no more wondering! You dont have to anymore!!!
December 16th, 2015 at 8:43 PM ^
I'm so, so, so sorry that you had to deal with me responding to another poster's question using the terminology that he introduced to the conversation. You must be traumatized. I sure hope your next therapy session can help you sort out all those stressful feelings that are going through your head right now.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
Mike Sherman only had one winning season during his four years at A&M, and Franchione was even worse. If Sumlin has brought the program to the point where 8-5 is considered a down year, then clearly he knows a thing or two about coaching.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
I don't think Sherman was a very good head coach either. But his last year was a very talented team that lost a ton of close games, and they were pretty good the year before. Sumlin stepped into a very good situation, at least on offense.
December 16th, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^
In addition to Manziel, Sherman left behind a team that in Sumlin's first year had Christine Michael (#62 overall pick at RB), Ryan Swope (6th round at WR), Luke Joechel (#2 overall pick at T), Mike Evans (#7 overall pick a year later at WR), and Jake Matthews (#6 overall pick a year later at T).
Manziel got all the hype/credit but he played on a ridiculously talented offense, especially in his Heisman season.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:20 PM ^
How is this happening? It seemed like their system was oriented towards plug and playing guys who could step right in. Oh well, doesn't bother me!
December 16th, 2015 at 3:21 PM ^
I bet the 10 WR's they took last year are pretty stunned.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^
yeah seriously - should christian kirk decide to bolt as well, hed do just fine in maize and blue (as would kyler murray)
December 16th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^
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December 16th, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^
Yikes. Please do not transfer to Ohio State. Please do not transfer to Ohio State. Please do not transfer to Ohio State.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:25 PM ^
He's probably gonna go to Texas. Baseball is a factor here.
He's a multi-sport athlete, and you're not gonna get nationally competitive baseball in the Midwest in terms of going to the College World Series.
December 16th, 2015 at 3:35 PM ^
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December 16th, 2015 at 3:42 PM ^
Texas says hi.