OT: Wisconsin situation gets even more bizarre, Stave is *not* injured, but has "yips"
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/qb-controversy-stave-not-hurt-…
"I've just been good at throwing things since I've been young. It's not a lack of confidence. It's not a lack of preparation or anything like that. It's just a matter of getting back to feeling comfortable and feeling like the ball's coming out the way it should."
What, specifically, isn't right? It was a question Stave had a difficult time addressing but one, he said, that seemed to boil down to this basic concept: He is inside his own head, a perfectionist who begins to overthink one bad throw, which leads to more bad throws. Before he knows it, he can't complete simple tosses that he has spent years perfecting.
"I'll be throwing it good, throwing it good and then all of a sudden I feel like I hang on to it too long," Stave said. "One will sail, one will slip and then you start thinking, 'Oh I've got to hang on to it longer.' That's what happens when you start thinking too much."
Andersen said earlier Tuesday during the Big Ten coaches teleconference that he noticed Stave's troubles around the time of the team's second scrimmage on Aug. 18, which was largely closed to the media. Stave was poised to be named the team's starter later that week until the issues surfaced, according to a source close to the situation.
Even during warmups before the season opener, Stave's throws were landing well off target -- a remark that television broadcasters noted on the air.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:29 PM ^
You know his yips don't lie,
And he just doesn't feel right.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^
Yes, I was basically the catcher in Major League 2. And I'm not lying.
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September 3rd, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^
You posted at the same time as me, and very similar story. I tried moving from 3B to C to see if it helped my yips and it didn't.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^
I can totally relate and I never knew this was a "thing". Suddenly I feel much better about myself.
I used to play 3B in baseball. I was not outstanding by any stretch of the imagination. I had a solid bat, good reaction for the "hot corner" but my arm wasn't as strong as it could have been.
There was one play I took a line drive, rifled it to 1st and was off target. Hit the runner in the face badly injuring him. Sounds stupid but it gave me the "yips". My arm became a noodle and I had to quit.
To this day I can throw a great football spiral. I play basketball regularl without a problem. But if you put a baseball in my hand and tell me to throw it, I will look like Denard in Comerica. I know it's in my head, but I just can't freaking throw a baseball.
September 3rd, 2014 at 3:41 PM ^
A favorite of my kids when they were little. Lots of yipping in our house.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^
http://www.si.com/vault/1996/02/05/209832/a-serious-case-of-the-yips
They used it in context of his reads that led to those two horrendous interceptions that handed the game to Dallas and the most ridiculous MVP trophy ever to Cowboy's CB Larry Brown. But it would have been better placed if they applied it to his first quarter passing, which was mostly bounce-passes or overthrows. Happens to lots of QBs on the Super Bowl stage.
The dreaded yips.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^
I always thought the most famous case of the yips was Johnny Miller's inability to putt. But then again, a lot of people probably don't know who Johnny Miller is.
But yeah, dude had all the game in the world except for when he was holding a putter. Straight up baffling.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^
All I can think of is....
"Stoooooove. Are you an appliance?"
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^
Hope Stave gets it together and starts playing again.
September 3rd, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
Getting a case of the 'yips' is a well-know malady especially in baseball, although not that common. Other than the players already mentioned in this thread, known cases go all the way back to Hall-of-Fame pitcher Grover Cleveland Alexander taking a short of bourbon between innings of his starts to help with them, to more recent cases like former pitcher Dontrelle Willis. Hall-of-Fame outfielder Dale Murphy started his professional career as a catcher but turned to the outfield after he couldn't make the simple throw back to the pitcher. Throwing to the bases was okay, he just got the yips throwing it to the pitcher, and sometimes resorted to rolling it back to him! Other known cases are second baseman Steve Sax, pitcher Steve Blass, and others. The problem can be dealt with behaviorally; most remedies have the subject focus on a particular point with their eyes before releasing the ball, causing their mind to concentrate on the point and not on the throwing motion itself. The problem is that this type of therapy can take months and is no sure cure, what might work for one player might not work for another. It is a very real illness, and I wish Stave luck in trying to overcome it.
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Eisenreich was a good outfielder; his condition is known as 'Tourette's syndrome".
September 3rd, 2014 at 3:28 PM ^
My son, who is a 14 year old pitcher, will have bouts of this (not as serious as Yips) where he'll throw a few outside and completely lose confidence even though he threw a 9 strike out game (in his three innings of pitching) the game before. I watched him this season have crazy good games, two hitters and such, and then suddenly he could only throw a strike every seven or eight pitches and even then it was a struggle to get that one strike. He's always been crazy accurate but the pressure as he gets older, with better batters and higher stakes, is starting to get to him, I think.
September 3rd, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^
It happened to me in h.s. football. I was thinking I'd play QB for sure, had very good touch and a decent arm, but when we had our "position tryouts" I'll be damned if I could hit anyone in stride. I ended up playing CB and safety. Strangest thing...
September 3rd, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^
I'm not gonna talk about the yips. I have a plan. It is a good plan.
September 3rd, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
as a high school baseball pitcher.
Pitching, no problem, but hit one back to the mound or an easy one hop bunt and I'd overthrow first base wildly on a short easy toss or bloop it five feet short.
I liken it to getting your "muscle memory" locked in on a single velocity and there's no smooth linear change to different velocities. And then your brain gets involved trying to troubleshoot, analyze the event as its happening, unfortunately there's not enough bandwith thru the hardwired nervous system.
Sometimes getting mad helps as the emotion of anger takes away the thinking part. It may somewhat explain why "getting benched" could be a theraputic move by the coach/manager to stir up such emotions, e.g. player pissed for not being out there and having to watch someone else play.
Every one is a little different build, psychologically speaking and so the best coaches figure this and other techniques out to get the most out of their players after the fundamentals have been developed.
September 3rd, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^
So true about coaches. My son had two different coaches this past season, an older dude in his 50's and a kid around 22 who played college ball and was now looking to get into coaching. The better coach by far was the older dude, whose ego wasn't closely tied to winning every game. You could tell he was there to help the kids get better and to teach them. My son responded so well to that, and pitched the best season of his career. But when he moved over to the younger guy in a different league, the guy was harsh and not supportive and if my son was having trouble on the mound, he just wouldn't play him, with no explanation, just the threat of "there are going to be better guys coming up next year." Maybe some kids respond to that but clearly my son wasn't one of them. I really had to run interference after the season because my son, who throws a wicked fast ball, felt like a failure. Hoping for a better coach in high school, someone who gets that some kids just aren't robots.
September 3rd, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^
My son had a similar experience in HS Football less the yips. Good freshman coach and loved it, dick JV coach and hated it. About 50% of the JV team never played another game. My son loves football but never wanted to play again. Dickhead coaches can do more damage that many people are aware. His big advice was "try harder".
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exactly, do you dream about throwing "sports balls." Enough to establish a pattern or "theme" of your dreams? That ain't normal bro.
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September 3rd, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^
The Yips -- a phenomenon explored in depth in the novel The Art Of Fielding, by Chad Harbach.
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September 3rd, 2014 at 11:37 PM ^
by any other name.