Josh Gattis comments
https://twitter.com/tomvh/status/1490378413613408256?s=21
In a text to some Michigan players, Josh Gattis said, “Unfortunately the past few weeks has told a different story to me about the very little appreciation I have here from administration. In life I would never advise anyone to be where they are not wanted…”
February 6th, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^
Unless you are working with mature professionals that realize leaking that mid season is going to ruin the Big10 championship run.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^
He seems pretty messy, and this kind of supports the rumors we've heard for years about off-the-field issues with him in his personal life.
I wish him luck but I don't really get why he won the Broyles last year and UM should be able to survive without him just fine.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:22 PM ^
You know the reason. Media loves to blow us up and also blow us down. That's Michigan. I never thought Gattis was some wizard nerd offensive mind.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:09 PM ^
Don’t know if i am more pissed at Harbaugh or Gattis but I’ll wait for my info to come out. Harbaugh has had way too much turnover in seven years and it’s tough on players. It can’t be everybody else’s fault when you hired them all. I just wish we could get three years of consistency
February 6th, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
Michigan has had a lot of turnover but most moved on to better jobs which can be looked at as a positive. The ones that were let go were replaced usually by better coaches and the one bad hire of the safeties coach name is not coming to me Jim has done a good job. I would like more continuity but unfortunately this is the game of football. Jim wants to pay his coaches better salaries then any other school. One of his expectations for a new contract I thought was more money for the assistants and analyst.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:13 PM ^
His level of hubris is astounding. He actually believes he deserved to be first in line for the Michigan HC position.
He'll fit right in at Miami. They may even let him start recruiting again.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:14 PM ^
I don't care about Josh Gattis any longer. He gave us exactly one half season of good offensive performances.
He doesn't want to be at Michigan whelp have fun sweating your balls off in Miami going 6-6 for the next 3 years until he's fired and ends up coaching at Southwest Chumbawamba State.
Good luck Gattis, you're gonna need it
February 6th, 2022 at 3:39 PM ^
I get knocked down…
February 6th, 2022 at 3:41 PM ^
I actually think he did a great job in 2019 as well. QB severely held that offense back. The tape from the Alabama game showed some great offensive design (and production!) too.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:41 PM ^
Yeah, I just loved those predictable smash the ball into the middle on 3rd and shorts all the time in 2019. It was just so great to see the TE lined up in the backfield on a regular basis. So deceptive for the defense to look at.
February 6th, 2022 at 5:23 PM ^
Ummm the TE was in the backfield all of 2021. That’s what Jim wants.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:16 PM ^
If anyone is looking for a fandom that never lets you down, I suggest Demon Slayer. Newest episode is fire.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:17 PM ^
"I'm sorry you feel that way"
It's what I told my wife one time. And I never said it again.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
But you were being honest.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:27 PM ^
Bad move in a marriage. My Grandma once told me that little white lies were the grease that kept society humming. I think that goes double in a marriage.
"No honey, that dress doesn't make your ass look fat."
February 6th, 2022 at 4:10 PM ^
Having a phat ass is a good thing tho. Sir-mix-a-lot?
February 6th, 2022 at 5:48 PM ^
Sir-mix-a-lot? Try every last person on social media. The Centaur worship is real.
February 8th, 2022 at 6:13 PM ^
My buddy once told me he lied to his wife about what he had for lunch everyday. My response was why? That seems stupid. He said because I want practice in case it’s ever for something really important.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:23 PM ^
Indeed I was being honest and forthcoming. I just didn't get the negative overtones of it.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:46 PM ^
Yes, but did you only apologize about her feelings or did you finally apologize for a bad behavior of yours that caused her to feel bad? That's the crux of the matter. :‐)
February 6th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^
I don't remember. Memory suppression. I probably said something that I shouldn't have in the first place and didn't understand her reaction because I believed what I said was harmless. And then my retort of "I'm sorry you feel that way" was honest, like I was really sorry she was upset.
I don't know man, I never win. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Women, can't live with 'em....................pass the beer nuts.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:55 PM ^
Yep, yep. I get it. All good ...
February 6th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^
I will say it is ironic that the NFL types talked about Harbaugh as someone who borked his interview with the Vikings because he thought the job was in the bag and acted entitled (which doesn't track with reality) but Gattis basically puts the administration on blast because they didn't give him a clear path to a job when he wanted it.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
If that is an accurate recounting of the text, this is clearly why Gattis chose to "move laterally".
I assume that "administration" refers to Warde and Warde's office and that he (Gattis) was told that he was *not* going to be considered as a candidate for the HC job if it became open.
That stings! How you react to hearing that both defines your character and determines the future path of your career. You either say:
"Screw it and screw you, I am outta here", or you ask "why, what can I improve to take that next step", followed by "thank you for the advice".
The former behavior is easier, the latter is so hard to do that it hurts. Takes humility, character, maturity, and a genuine desire to do what it takes to be ultimately successful. Most fail, or stall at a level. The rare ones learn, grow, and finally succeed.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^
Well, there is a third option: realize that, if you're not going to get that promotion now, you're probably never going to get it, and it's time for a change of scenery. You don't need to tell anybody to screw off, just hand in your notice and find another job. Seems like that's what Gattis did here and that's perfectly fine.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
How is this the case? I could agree if it weren't for his tweets, but he is talking trash on the way out, which is basically telling people to screw off and not just leaving quietly as you say.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:14 PM ^
Nope, that option goes like this: "thank you Michigan fans, administrators, players, and fellow coaches for a wonderful X years. After careful consideration, I have decided to pursue another opportunity at Y. I will miss ... blah, blah ..."
You do NOT place blame, throw shade, however you care to phrase it.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
My take from reading tea leaves and posts without a shred of insider knowledge to call my own is that is he was told one of the other staff were the heir to HC if Jim Left and he didn’t lie that. Seems simple in my mind.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:22 PM ^
Well, I know nothing about these recruiting rumors (which I hope aren't true, obviously) and can understand if he was frustrated about not getting a shot at the HC position. Still, this is disappointing from him. Michigan gave him a great opportunity and he rode it to the Broyles Award and a chance to coach in the playoff. Take the high road, Gattis.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^
It’s never wise to burn bridges or negative sell your former employer. He knows text messages become public knowledge.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^
It’s always interesting to watch reactions to big news. Two weeks ago MacDonald leaves and it’s all “good luck and thanks” MacDonald took over a great unit. Don Brown recruited extremely well and all we needed was a tactician to make it work.
Gattis came into a god-awful job. Very limited talent, a series of transfer QBs so no QB room culture. A bunch of misses on the recruiting trail. We had no identity, an OL that couldn’t block air and an offensive culture that was…offensive. The RB room coached by Nepotism Jay was garbage.
2021 we finally have success. Good chemistry was evident. You don’t play that kind of ball if you have a malcontent OC. You don’t get cohesion if Gattis isn’t a good OC and the position coaches didn’t respect him.
Finally, if he was truly such a drag on the program, send him packing the day after UGA. Likewise, if he wasn’t a great OC what does it say about the guy who hired him, the guy who has made bad OC hires before?!?
February 6th, 2022 at 1:40 PM ^
There is a middle ground between "He was awesome!" and "He was dragging the program down."
He was capable of good gameplans (2021 OSU) but I don't think his overall body of work was remarkable, and am not sure how responsible he was for the run game's turnaround. I think he can be replaced.
In any event, it's petty of him to bitch about the school that gave him a huge professional opportunity.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^
I don't get the Jay hate. I think he's done pretty good job at all the positions he's coached. Jay definitely hasn't brought any position group down. Would he be a coach if his dad wasn't Jim? I don't know. But at this point he's earned the title of a D-1 coach.
February 6th, 2022 at 3:02 PM ^
When people shit on Jaybaugh it's usually a pretty good indicator that they don't know much about football and just think they're being edgy.
He's actually a great example of how getting someone who grew up in a football family might benefit you because you'll get someone who has been exposed to so many aspects of the sport for so long that they're a bit of a polyglot and can bounce around and succeed in a variety of places.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:56 PM ^
Seriously, Jay has been the best coach of the Harbaugh era and is the one who i want to be groomed to be the next head coach. Just keep moving him around to all the positions like he's being trained to be the next CEO.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^
Yeah, he came in to a horrible offensive situation.
Returning QB who was a 5*
5* RB
DPJ, Nico, Ronnie Bell, two NFL TEs, and 5 NFL OL.
And with that we had the Army and Wisconsin offensive performances
February 6th, 2022 at 4:42 PM ^
Exactly Qmatic. Thank you.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:35 PM ^
It’s always interesting to watch reactions to big news. Two weeks ago MacDonald leaves and it’s all “good luck and thanks” MacDonald took over a great unit. Don Brown recruited extremely well and all we needed was a tactician to make it work.
Gattis came into a god-awful job. Very limited talent, a series of transfer QBs so no QB room culture. A bunch of misses on the recruiting trail. We had no identity, an OL that couldn’t block air and an offensive culture that was…offensive. The RB room coached by Nepotism Jay was garbage.
This is like shit take city. Brown lost his job in part because our Cornerback and DT room were in such a bad position. It seemed Macdonald did a lot of scheming to cover some of our issues and we had some key players progress.
Gattis inherited a 5 star QB, a loaded RB room, and an excellent OL. The fact that you are still throwing out that tired Jaybaugh take is enough to know you are just a miserable troll.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:49 PM ^
Don Brown recruited extremely well and all we needed was a tactician to make it work.
Brown did NOT recruit well, which is a large reason he was let go. Just look at our recent issues at DT and CB...
February 6th, 2022 at 2:52 PM ^
Can we stop with the revisionist history surrounding Gattis and Macdonald when he came to UM. It sucks he left but I swear people here have memory-holed whole years of UM football.
UM's offense per SP+ since Jim Harbaugh arrived has been:
- 2015 - 34
- 2016 - 35
- 2017 - 49
- 2018 - 25
- 2019 (Gattis first year) - 21
- 2020 - 42
- 2021 - 19
In 2019 Gattis inherited a 2nd-year 5* QB (Patterson), a bevy of experienced WRs in DPJ, Nico Collins, and Tarik Black, and an emerging Ronnie Bell, and a top-rated RB commit in Zach Charbonnet. He also had an offensive line featuring first-rounder Center Cesar Ruiz and upperclassmen/future NFL linemen Onwenu, Bredeson, Runyan Jr, Stueber, and a sophomore Jaylen Mayfield. Compared to the 2015 offense Harbaugh inherited that's incredibly stacked. His QB room featured the aforementioned Patterson, a 2nd-year 4* Dylan McCaffrey, and a raw-but-talented Joe Milton. There are a lot of works to describe that QB room but it was decidedly not full of transfers.
I think we all remember 2019 as being a disappointing offensive performance, but it's his first year as an OC so we all cut him some slack (and he deserved such grace IMO). But the offense was janky and looked lost as times, and the mountains of talent it had felt like it was wasted.
So 2020 rolled around and despite losing a lot of that offensive talent (including key pieces of the offensive line) and starting a raw-as-sushi QB, Gattis had UM throw the ball 56% of the time, which was 10th in the nation. And while I'll admit the past couple of years have sort of stuck together in my mind to an extent, I don't remember UM being particularly good at throwing the ball that year. And in fact, the offense only started to look semi-coherent when they gave the fucking ball to the backs and let them grind forward. The QB play (save for McNamara's half against Rutgers and maybe 3/4 of Milton's Minnesota game) struggled, the WRs were gawd-awful (which is Gattis' sub-specialty), and the team as a whole couldn't do anything coherent on offense. But sure, still not Gattis's fault because it was a weird COVID year and everyone felt it.
But then 2021 happened and UM replaced their OL, RB, and QB coaches with new guys and suddenly those parts of the team looked immensely better. The WRs were still pretty inconsistent in my opinion, and though they improved somewhat the team transitioned back to running the ball super-effectively and the offensive line kept the QB clean and now the offense looked light-years more coherent. Gattis deserves some credit for getting those pieces to play in harmony but "offense looks like shit before a bunch of new coaches show up and then it looks good" points to, at least, a sharing of responsibility for that improvement.
As for "Nepotism Jay" that guy only was the primary or secondary recruiter for the entire RB room that produced one third-team AA (in Haskins), 2 3rd-team All Big Ten (Charbonnet and Corum), but he also was recognized as the best ST coach in the country when he shifted there. If that's what you get with a nepotism hire sign me the fuck up for every kid Harbaugh's got in his extended family.
As for Macdonald, he took over the 36th-ranked defense under Brown and in one year got them back to 10th in the country despite starting the year with 2 DTs, 1.5 functional corners, and a ton of inexperience at the LB level AND having a near-overhaul of the entire defensive staff. Now, credit to the new defensive hires as well but if we're going to give Gattis credit for walking into a "toxic" environment then Macdonald turning around a unit that was in a worse space when he stepped in and doing so shouldn't be minimized. Also, at no point over the past 2years have I heard "Don Brown" and "recruit really well" in the same sentence, so that's a new characterization of the end of his tenure.
Anyway, Gattis leaving will hurt but I swear this is just a repeat of Harbaugh leaving where a bunch of people who were ready to put their heads on pikes after 2020 are all of a sudden acting like they are irreplaceable diamonds. I hope Gattis finds success elsewhere and can become an HC but we don't need to mythologize a somewhat unremarkable 3-year run as OC.
February 6th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^
Hot Take: Macdonald should’ve won the Broyle’s
February 6th, 2022 at 4:33 PM ^
I agree. Gattis wasn't even the best coordinator on the team.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:38 PM ^
Are you reading my mind? I could not have said it better, no one could actually.
I will add this, IMHO the Gattis "speed in space" thing was just, hype and self promotion and in the end it appears as though JH saw it that was as well when he brought in 3 new guys and effectively revamped the offense in his image.
Also IMHO, Gattis is bitter because he tried to capitalize on last seasons success by leveraging it into an extension and raise. Those in the know didnt fall for it and said you're under contract, lets talk next season. Gattis got his feelings hurt and jumped ship.
With that said, it's NOT a good look for Gattis, if Im Mario, I'd be having second thoughts rn.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:26 PM ^
Your thought process is fascinating.
It sounds like you are having a Bluenightmare.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^
We shouldn't be shocked he is leaving like this. He bolted after one season at Alabama as their receivers coach. The job he bolted for was at Maryland and at the 11th hour he decided to take an offer to become Michigan's next offensive coordinator. Only reason he didn't leave in the first two years he was here is that our offense sucked.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:54 PM ^
Gattis just called one of the QB's Dads at the U and told them he was bringing in a QB coach and QB quality control coach. I would be shocked if it was anyone from the Michigan staff.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:36 PM ^
He said "speed in space" but never meant it. Oh well, careers go to die in miami
February 6th, 2022 at 1:55 PM ^
Oh he meant it and he talked a mighty game but that was all it was, TALK. He's a fantastic self promoter.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:36 PM ^
I have always heard rumors regarding Gattis about dalliances with the student body. That is about the least crude way I can say it. Surprised he lasted this long.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^
Oof.
Well, we didn’t know anything a couple of hours ago, but now we do.
I don’t think Harbaugh’s coaching search would prompt that. But being queued behind Hart and maybe Weiss in the “importance” chain might have. Or maybe there’s other stuff.
I’m sad that it’s not a happy departure. Quite sad. More than just losing him.