AP Poll: Michigan 18, coaches: 17
1 |
Alabama (56)
Record: 3-0
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PV Rank
1
Points
1,496 |
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2 |
Oregon (4)
Record: 3-0
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2
1,418
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3 |
Record: 3-0
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3
1,340
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4 |
Record: 4-0
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4
1,320
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5 |
Record: 3-0
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5
1,270
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6 |
Record: 4-0
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6
1,167
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7 |
Record: 4-0
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7
1,088
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8 |
Record: 3-0
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8
1,049
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9 |
Record: 2-1
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9
1,029
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10 |
Record: 3-1
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10
1,011
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11 |
Record: 3-0
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11
849
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12 |
Record: 2-1
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12
828
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13 |
Record: 3-0
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13
798
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14 |
Record: 3-0
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14
689
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15 |
Record: 3-0
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16
687
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16 |
Record: 3-0
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17
559
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17 |
Record: 4-0
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18
477
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18 |
Record: 4-0
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15
450
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19 |
Record: 3-0
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20
441
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20 |
Record: 2-1
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19
414
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21 |
Record: 3-0
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21
342
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22 |
Record: 3-1
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22
256
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23 |
Record: 3-1
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24
130
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24 |
Record: 4-0
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25
127
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25 |
Record: 3-0
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27
110
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September 22nd, 2013 at 3:49 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 8:48 PM ^
after losing badly to USC in the second half of the Rose Bowl, loosing to App State and losing badly to Oregon ... not to mention his late years record against OSU.
Lloyd was a great coach. Bobby Bowden, and Joe Paterno all reached the dinosaur point as well. Mack Brown is there now. Happens. It was time for him to retire and let someone with more energy to creatively evolve the team.
September 23rd, 2013 at 12:20 AM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 PM ^
willingness to adapt, at least in the short run. You undermine your point about executing in any system, though, when you come back and denigrate the spread. Mostly I just see the jury as being (still) very much out, where lots of people seem ready to throw this or that coach under the bus this morning.
September 22nd, 2013 at 3:45 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 5:55 PM ^
too, but how we came out/began the game impacted this.
September 22nd, 2013 at 5:25 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 5:54 PM ^
you can take it a few different ways. I think you're hearing "We're Michigan, and therefore we should win."
I am interpreting his comments a bit less arrogantly, as "We're Michigan, and the players, coaches, and program have a higher standard than our current performance." There are other football programs that hope to have more winning seasons than not, and field a decent team most years. I'm sure that that's even true of Michigan in some NCAA sports at the moment. But football is not one of them.
I don't think is comment was about guarantees, or entitlement. It was about expectations.
September 22nd, 2013 at 5:56 PM ^
enoug but i think that the whole assumption tends to be worn out, and very annoying to outsiders,
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
Speaking of not having the basics down: *we're (x2) *you're (x2) (kudos for the last "your" being correct. 1/3 isn't so bad...)
I'm not one to make to wast much time on here with corrections, but if you're going to make assertions about what is and is not Michigan, doing so with those mistakes is more than a bit ironic.
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"Unrelated, but reading on ESPN that frank Clark said after the game that "were michigan, were going to stop playing down to our competition and get this fixed" while that's the right attitude, your not Michigan, your not playing like it at all, stop worrying about championships and start worrying about your play and blocking. We don't even have the basics down and talk about playing for titles."
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:50 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 2:03 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^
I don't think you know what the word "ironic" means. There isn't anything ironic about criticizing the football team while making grammatical errors.
September 22nd, 2013 at 4:12 PM ^
Two points for you. You clearly identified that it is not ironic to criticize the football team while making grammatical errors.
Here's what is ironic: Making assertions about what is or is not "Michigan" while doing so with verbage that indicates a lack of comprehension of junior high English.
It is fair to to say that if one wants to assert that "your not Michigan" then perhaps you're not Michigan.
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...Also Ironic: me typing my intial reply quickly and missing the "e" on waste
September 22nd, 2013 at 4:54 PM ^
It's still not ironic. In this context, the word "Michigan" is being used as an adjective to describe the quality of the football team and has nothing to do with the ability to write correct sentences. One could have a lack of comprehension of junior high English and still be very qualified to assess whether or not this looks like a traditional "Michigan" football team.
September 22nd, 2013 at 7:32 PM ^
If that's not ironic, than your not Michigan.
Boom! Poor grammar'ed & un-michigan'ed
I'm out.
...Drops the mic.
/s
September 22nd, 2013 at 8:01 PM ^
It is ironic.
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:08 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 PM ^
So your Michigan, representing one of the finer institutions of higher education in the nation?
September 22nd, 2013 at 2:09 PM ^
You're correct.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:34 PM ^
Northwestern beats Maine by 14 and jumps us. Ahh well, not like we've looked spectacular.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:34 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 PM ^
We're too high, in my opinion. We barely look like a top-50 team, much less a top-20 one.
This team, in particular Gardner and the interior offensive line, has two weeks to get its shit together. Minnesota is a big step above the teams we've been playing the past two weeks, and if we play even remotely against them like we did against Akron and UConn, we can kiss the Little Brown Jug good-bye. Hell, if we play anyone left on our schedule like we did the past two weeks, we are staring at a 4-8 season, an ass-kicking the likes of which we've never seen against OSU (don't think for one second that Meyer wouldn't love to hang 90 points on us if he could), and maybe another coaching search.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:55 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^
for sure, pissing themselves midway through the first quarter when things don't go well. But how we got here would for most critical observers offer some clues about where we're going, no? Santayana and stuff.
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:06 PM ^
I agree that we are overrated this week, and we are not playing like a ranked team.
It's also clear that we don't have the horses to beat a team like Ohio State at this point in the season; frankly, the team will have to improve to beat Minnesota.
But Brandon is heavily invested in Hoke, and would not fire him even if the season went badly. And frankly, Hoke has a good staff.
It's easy to see that our quarterback has a confidence problem, and that the offensive line has a lot of growing to do. Whether the problems can be fixed remains to be seen. But I don't see how a QB's temporary head case and the O-line's inexperience is a coaching issue.
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:13 PM ^
... that just played those last two games when we come up against Ohio. There will be 9 more weeks of practice and 7 more games played. These are the factors that a young team has to overcome to grow over the course of a season... there's only so much progress that can be made during Spring ball and summer conditioning. If you want to keep your blood pressure down just see team 134 for what it is... a work in progress, not a finished product ready to be rolled out to wreak havoc in the FBS.
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^
I'm not saying that a 4-8 season is going to happen and that Hoke is going to get fired. Frankly, I think overall he has a good staff, and Mattison's résumé speaks for itself. I'm just saying that, if the team keeps playing like its playing now, I'd have a hard time seeing us beat anyone, from Indiana on up to OSU. Which I don't think is an unreasonable statement. Of course, if this team plays up to its abilities, there's no team on its schedule that it can't beat. We've all seen what the team is capable of, so I don't want to give the impression that I think this team is hopeless. Far from.
It's a great time to have a bye week to get some things fixed and spend some more time in the film room, and I think the bye will do this team a lot of good, but it should be a little disconcerting that we've struggled mightily against two of the worst FBS teams in the country. Whether anyone on this board wants to admit that or not.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 PM ^
I'm fine with 18. I agree with rob f that even that may be too high. Hopefully with the bye our guys can get some good practice in and gear up for big ten play.
It'll be nice to watch some football and not be so emotionally invested in the outcome for a weekend.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^
Exactly, people put way to much stock into the weekly rankings. It will all even out as more data comes in. Who cares if we are ranked 18 but playing like we should be ranked 70th? All that matters is that we are 4-0 right now and the rankings will shake out later in the year
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 PM ^
Louisville, #7?
September 22nd, 2013 at 6:25 PM ^
...if you think that's obviously too high or obviously too low.
They've returned the heart of an 11-2 Sugar Bowl winning team and they've beaten the crap out of everyone they've played--not great opposition, obviously, but about UConn level on average. As far as I can tell they might be one of the best two or three teams in the country or they might be 25-ish. And with their schedule we might never find out which it is. They've got a good chance of running the table either way.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:45 PM ^
We still own the Big Ten's only win over a ranked team. I've no idea if that means much.
Michigan is No. 17 in the coaches poll.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:57 PM ^
I'm still giving Wisconsin a win against Arizona State...that was terrible officiating.
September 22nd, 2013 at 3:43 PM ^
Because college kickers never miss field goals...
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^
intermediate rankings dont matter, but I think i would prefer us to be lower right now and to earn it and rise up later
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^
it's difficult to guage whether anyone should take you seriously or not. Until Michigan plays a mistake-free game, you won't be able to see how good it might be. And that has never happened with this team with Gardner at quarterback.
Like I said, until it plays mistake-free, every game on the schedule will be a challenge. And they don't deserve to be taken as a serious contender until they show they can correct their play and act like one.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:55 PM ^
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:49 PM ^
Here's how the votes are distributed:
14th - 5 votes
15th - 2 votes
16th - 9 votes
17th - 11 votes
18th - 4 votes
19th - 8 votes
20th - 6 votes
21st - 6 votes
22nd - 4 votes
25th - 1 vote
Unranked - 4 votes
The mean ranking was 18.11, so very close to the actual. It represents a 3.48 position drop from last week's average vote.
September 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 PM ^
I know we were mocking Sharp for having us unranked, but he may be right.