NCAA/OSU Update. Almost laughable if it weren't so sad

Submitted by JeepinBen on

So, as we all know, SI sent all kinds of reporters to Columbus, talked to tons of people, interviewed the on the record and some (Ellis) without revealing identities.

Well, the NCAA looked at all that and said... nah, we wont do that.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/08/22/11/The-strong-yet-toothless-NCAA/landing_ohiostate.html?blockID=552058&feedID=9467

The NCAA never spoke with, and never ATTEMPTED TO SPEAK WITH:

The tattoo parlor owner

The car dealer guy, Kniffin

Talbott - golf course/memorabilia dealer

The article brings up parallels on how the NCAA never actually finds anything. for the Fab5 it was the FBI, SMU - a player, USC - the marketing guy who never go paid.

I was hopeful that OSU would get their due... now I just hope they get ANY punishment.

BlueNote

August 23rd, 2011 at 5:16 PM ^

Don't forget about the Open Records Act case currently pending before the Ohio Supreme Court.  You never know what sordid emails might emerge from that case.

I've been following the situation closely and will let everyone know when we have any new developments.  It could be many months before we get any resolution though.

Blue boy johnson

August 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 PM ^

OSU has been punished enough, they lost their coach and star QB all because Tressel searched in vain for somebody to partner with, over a few silly gifts.

Set the Buckeyes free, love your enemy. Hate the sin not the sinner.Plus it's not much of a sin, unreported gifts, big deal. They just need to change the rules and grandfather Tressel and the Bucks in, then it ain't even illegal.

Quit hating on players getting busted breaking dumb rules. You can be damn skippy sure, if it were the lawmakers receiving the gifts, it would all be legalized. It's like getting caught in a sex lie, it's not really a lie, just a way to save face.

Michigan can beat the Bucks regardless of what the NCAA does, so don't get your panties in a bunch worrying about it. Don't worry be Hokey

Seth

August 23rd, 2011 at 6:53 PM ^

The big sin is the cover-up, not just free crap the players got.

Ohio State has acted throughout this process more like its own attorney, whereas the way NCAA enforcement is set up, the school must act as police.

The athletic department's actions are approaching SMU levels, ie they are working to purposefully stymie the NCAA investigation into dealings the school obviously had knowledge of and helped to cover up over a long period of time. They are literally making a mockery of the NCAA regulatory system. A sex lie is a terrible analogy for that -- OSU's actions over the course of at least a decade likely changed the landscape of the Big Ten and college football, giving the school recruiting wins it might otherwise not have gotten, and keeping seniors who might otherwise have fled to the pro's. That they took it so far is evidence that the system itself sucks, but living in a different competitive level than its competition is not justified by that.

There are only two reasonable responses the NCAA has to this. Either 1: use the system it has to bring massive fallout upon Columbus -- death penalty 100% on the table if there's even a bare whiff of OSU holding something back or not giving every effort to unearth violations; or 2: Scrap the system and go to a non-self-regulatory justice system which gives the NCAA an army of investigatory/compliance staff who look for crap at every school.

Blue boy johnson

August 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^

I don't find either of your suggestions reasonable. Seriously, giving a school the death penalty over Tatgate, isn't very reasonable. Even you suggest the crime is minor and the grave problem is the cover-up. If the NCAA doesn't have these ridiculous rules, OSU doesn't need to embark on a cover-up.

michelin

August 23rd, 2011 at 6:31 PM ^

When the Clarret allegations were dropped by the NCAA

OSU not only

hired an infractions committee member as AD and

                employed a lawyer who served on the NCAA advisory committee

It also had an OSU grad as Assistant Director of Enforcement for the NCAA.  Although this NCAA found the BB team guilty of multiple violations, it “forgot” to file about half of the proposed punishments.

Now, the OSU alum--who had been director of enforcement—during the “forgotten” filing of prior BB violations--- is associate director of amateurism certification at the NCAA Eligibility Center (which no doubt heard about the Sarniak-Pryor relationship)

In addition,

OSU not only has an AD but also an OSU alum lawyer (for Tressel) who served on the NCAA infractions committee as well as an Associate AD on the NCAA advisory committee.

Beyond this, OSU has a president who was a mentor for and lived with the current NCAA President.  The two worked together at Colorado, the alma mater of the current NCAA infractions committee chair (Halloran).  This infractions committee chair serves on the board of an energy company, as did the OSU President until recently.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-webb/5/1b8/7b3

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/People/Committee+on+Infractions

http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/coal/gee.html

 

michelin

August 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 PM ^

In fact, they make no mention at all of their responses to the Clarret allegations in the summary report that found violations among the BB team and Troy Smith.

It's a small wonder that Congress--around the time of the Clarret investigations-- once had hearings abou the NCAA and objected to the lack of transparency about their infractions investigations.

How are the schools, who are ruled by the NCAA, to judge whether the investigations are thorough and fair?

michelin

August 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 PM ^

Since someone (guess who) is blocking the article cited at the beginning of this thread (by Hooley, Fox sports, see link above), let me quote its main points;

 

“In USC’s recent two-year bowl ban and 30-scholarship bludgeoning, a marketing guy ticked off by Reggie Bush’s broken promises went public.  As far as NCAA investigators digging up anything, forget it.  And as far as the NCAA addressing anything about the Ohio State investigation, forget that, too. It did not return a call seeking comment.

The NCAA cannot subpoena witnesses. Current players and coaches are the only ones it can force to answer questions  That puts a limit on NCAA investigations, but it’s no more limiting than the lack of interest the Enforcement Staff shows in getting to the truth.

There’s no other explanation after looking at the OSU case.

The NCAA did not speak with -- and often did not attempt to speak with -- numerous people linked to the case...the owner of the tattoo parlor... a car salesman who did business with OSU athletes... and a memorabilia dealer implicated in paying Pryor as much as $40,000.

“Ellis,” the pseudonym given a source in Sports Illustrated’s expose that hastened Tressel’s resignation, agreed to speak with the NCAA only if it would conceal his name from those he implicated. The NCAA has done that in the past… but refused this time and therefore did not use any of the information “Ellis” provided in its investigation.

Aaron Kniffen, the car salesman cleared by an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles investigation into violations of state law regarding multiple car sales to OSU athletes, said he was never contacted by the NCAA….OSU pledged to pursue that angle after the BMV investigation ended, but then the school cancelled those plans.

Dennis Talbot, who ESPN reported paid Pryor up to $40,000 for signing memorabilia, also was never contacted by NCAA investigators….Talbot maintains his dealings with OSU were approved by the school and that documentation exists to prove that.

If that’s true, and that’s why the NCAA didn’t call him, that means the NCAA took the word of Ohio State about Talbot being above board….this underscores ..the school being investigated can vouch for someone and that automatically takes that person off the NCAA’s radar.

That’s often how it works. Schools “self-report” violations and then are charged with investigating those matters and reporting their findings to the NCAA. ...that’s like saying a drunk driver caught in a highway checkpoint self-reported his DUI upon answering affirmatively to, “Have you been drinking?“ 

OSU only discovered its violations when notified by a December letter from the Justice Department about memorabilia seized in a drug sting at a tattoo parlor owned by Edward Rife.  And once Ohio State discovered on Jan. 13 that Tressel had known about violations in his program since the previous April, OSU waited more than three weeks before telling the NCAA on Feb. 3, the day following National Signing Day.

Rife (the tatto parlor owner) declined to speak with the NCAA when approached….(his lawyer said he) is unlikely to ever tell his secrets about the OSU scandal that brought down Tressel and Pryor.  That’s the kind of booster every school wants….

It’s Ohio State’s good fortune that Sarniak and Pryor remain cozy.  OSU went to the mat with the NCAA in 2008 to get Pryor into school when the NCAA had suspicions about Sarniak serving as a booster that steered the quarterback to Columbus.  OSU avoided any punishment by convincing the NCAA that Sarniak was a surrogate father to Pryor. When the NCAA agreed, it told OSU Sarniak could not provide anything of value to Pryor throughout his college career.

Tressel told NCAA investigators Feb. 8 that he called Sarniak as many as three times each week and was in regular contact with him about Pryor.  “I was very impressed with the guidance that (Pryor) would say that Ted had with him,“Tressel said. “…He didn’t wanna just be, you know, hanging onto (Pryor) like a groupie.“

Maybe not, but last week, Pryor’s attorney, David Cornwell, told ESPN that Sarniak gave Pryor cash and helped him make his car payments while at Ohio State.

OSU said it had no such knowledge of that and denied Pryor told the NCAA of the payments by Sarniak.

Pryor, of course, refused to talk with the NCAA after Tressel’s resignation on May 30 and dropped out of school a week later.  Sarniak has consistently turned down every request for an interview about his dealings with Pryor and Tressel.  It is preposterous to believe he would agree to speak with the NCAA about either.

Hence, Sarniak’s payments to Pryor are not part of the NCAA case against Ohio State. Likewise, OSU is not charged with failure to monitor or lack of institutional control, despite being put on notice by the NCAA about Sarniak three years ago and having him then provide illegal extra benefits to Pryor while in regularly in contact with Tressel.

So while OSU fans comfort themselves with the dirty dealings at Miami as a way to exonerate the Buckeyes for what’s gone on with Tressel, and Pryor, they should remember one thing:  While silence may be golden, it‘s not white as snow."
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triangle_M

August 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 PM ^

 

Bruce Hooley has the most salient view and he pulls no punches.  I really admire his work.  He seems to be out ahead of the issues with a very cynical perspective, that I tend to agree with.